To vaccinate newborn or not

Do NOT be misled by online articles about what they advise in other countries. The BCG is not currently deemed necessary as a universal vaccine in the UK. However, in our area of London there was an outbreak of TB, and DC was offered it in their first year. So the NHS is definitely taking an evidence-based approach to what is appropriate, locally, and advising accordingly.
The health service is on its knees from lack of funding. What possible benefit could it be for them to push unnecessary vaccines onto people? They push them because it's necessary, and it saves lives.
This is not your mum nagging you to tidy your room, this is a well researched public health programme that reminds parents who have a million other distractions that there's something really simple and free that they can do protect their children.

Lmfao please don’t use the Covid vaccine as proof for why vaccinations work.

All I can tell you is that my Grandmother would have loved to have been in your position, with the chance to vaccinate her children.
RIP Eddie aged 6. Died of measles.

Go into any graveyard with old graves in it. I can’t do it anymore as it makes me so sad. Many many family graves with multiple dead infants and children, often groups in the same year.
it’s normal to feel that you want to get everything right with your baby but please please understand that vaccination has saved millions of families the heartbreak of infant and child loss .

Every tick in a box is a life saved

many schools will not take unvaccinated children for the heath of all ,
some may be vulnerable

the nhs is made up of mums who vaccinate
the person who sent you that reminder had their child vaccinated

I chose not to vaccinate as my first was born in the midst of the MMR controversy - I was foolish enough to do the same with the whooping cough vaccine at a similar time. Biggest mistake of my life. DD caught whooping cough at age 4 and has never fully recovered - she is now an adult with a family of her own and still has respiratory problems.

For over a year after the illness she could not walk at any speed because she would cough up thick phlegm; during the active phase, which lasted months, she could barely get out of bed, was coughing up thick sputum like plasticine every few minutes - she was a pitiful sight. And I had to live with the knowledge that I had inflicted this on her.

Do not inflict these things on your new baby.

This keeps coming up and it is usually a new mother who dearly loves her baby and struggles with the idea that something might be done to them that they worry might be a risk - the fact that the mother is having to make that choice can feel hard. "Acts of God" or exposure to general "dangers" can be coped with - making a decision is in a different category.

It has all already been said above: vaccines save lives; they are one of the biggest public health successes ever (second only to clean water); children died of infectious diseases in their hundreds of thousands before vaccines.

Choose health for your child.

My baby wasn't mobile or verbal yet when they had their jabs. How old was this child? Are you sure this wasn't a condition they already had? Which vaccine caused it?

Most of the diseases we're vaccinated against are ones where we don't build up immunity, they tend to cause death or long term disability. You haven't caught those things because everyone else has had the jab to give herd immunity. If most people can't catch it they're unlikely to pass it on to the vulnerable who can't have vaccines. The more people you encourage to not have vaccines, the more dangerous you make it for those that are unable to be vaccinated.

Vaccines save lifes....growing up one family in next street was anti vaccination and sadly their daughter died of measles...their son was quickly vaccinated after that. Son was in my sisters school year. His sister died aged 2. Very sad. That childhood memory stuck with me so dd is fully vaccinated.

If you are even thinking of not vaccinating your baby you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

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also, well done @Worrywort98 for not catching a communicable disease and not dying 👏👏👏👏

When you say " do e my research"........have you read source peer reviewed papers in scientific journals.

Or have you read a lot of shite on social media?

My friend’s baby got measles and nearly died, ended up on a drip in hospital for several days. She got it 2 weeks before her measles vaccs were due. The doctors said it’s due to anti vaxxers ruining it for everyone else! Please get your baby vaccinated don’t be selfish

Just going to add to this and play the devil's advocate. I am a healthy 26 Yr old who has never had a single vaccine, ever. Now, this was because my two older brothers had severe adverse reactions to their baby vaccines, and then when I came along they decided not to vaccinate me. It is highly possible to let a baby develop their own immunity without vaccines.
Also, I personally knew someone who had vaccine injuries. They were a healthy, normal developing baby and when they had their baby jabs, they became profoundly disabled, non-verbal, wheelchair, lost all mobility and motor skills, etc etc and eventually passed away. Which was extremely sad. So don't fool yourselves in thinking that vaccine injuries don't occur, because they DO. Rarely, but they do. And don't get me started on the covid vaccine....

I suggest you find some old churchyards to wander around - with graves from the 19th century. Why do you imagine that some such graves mention two, three, or even more children from the same family all dying within a very few weeks?

Could it possibly be because of epidemics of measles, diphtheria etc., for which there were then no vaccines?

Here's bit of good news. Candace Owens has been fired from her job at the Daily Wire for spreading anti-semitic conspiracy theories and for smearing a Rabbi and his daughter.

Candace Owens out at Daily Wire after host endorsed theory about rabbis ‘drinking Christian blood’

So she's an anti-semite as well as an anti-vaxxer. And all around nutter.

I would strongly suggest to just hide the thread. You got what you needed from it in the original case and people will just continue to be dicks and argue between themselves and insult you/each other without reading the whole thread.

The thread was bumped yesterday by an antivaxxer with an agenda, it will happen again in the future because threads like this show up on google searches.

You've done the right thing. No good will come from continuing to read replies. It was gracious of you to give an update but I'd hide it. You don't need to justify either your final decision or the original thread to anyone

@Ceramicvase research shows that splitting doses reduces the number of complete vaccinations, so where there are no contraindications combined vaccinations are better.

But it’s an option for anyone so my circumstances to some extent are irrelevant. My gp and older dc consultant both said to me that as long as the vaccinations for 8,12,16 weeks were done before age 1 it didn’t matter if they were late as long as we started on time and they advised to have a different one each time then move to boosters and to do some 2 weeks apart me others 4 weeks apart. They told us there wasn’t any difference so not to worry about the official schedule

You are fortunately too young to have grown up seeing the effects of polio - children wearing callipers are super rare now. I remember seeing lots as a child.

Teenage boys who got mumps were often left infertile.

Not to mention hearing loss due to measles, unborn babies affected by German measles (rubella).

Then there is TB. I could go on.

Our only experience of TB now is probably on Call The Midwife.

Give your child the entirely free gift of health.

Yes, it's not a personal decision, your decision impacts other people.

Someone upthread said "every vaccine comes with a list of possible side effects & risks (all that can be found online by the way, for free)" - as with literally any medical, including calpol. You don't need to search around for this online, your health care provider will be happy to provide it if you ask.

Because it's not a conspiracy!

@confusedaboutclothes

I haven’t rtft so don’t know the extent of negative comments.

However, I would hazard a guess that people feel outraged at people not vaccinating their children because it jeopardises the success of the vaccine drive… opening up a window for emergence of disease, setting up outbreaks and thus the potential for a pathogen to change rendering the vaccine less effective and putting everyone’s children at risk.

For instance we now have measles outbreaks threatening the population because of groups of people in London and the West Midlands choosing to not vaccinate their kids.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-68007804.amp

I had a baby then too. I had him vaccinated. It wasn't a hard decision.

Well that’s different isn’t it? And information you should have included in your first post.