To vaccinate newborn or not

The German study only looked at children upto one year of age.

To quote the Taiwan study...'The majority (74%) of our study’s participants were over 40 years old. The mean age was 53 years old. Of the total number of participants, 43.8% were male and 56.2% were female. Vaccinated participants had a slightly higher proportion of concurrent conditions than did unvaccinated participants, including hypertension, chronic kidney disease, diabetes, COPD, and depression.'

This. I never felt comfortable vaccinating my first born at such a young age and decided to wait until he was older. My reasons for even looking into to it was that my brother suffered anaphylactic shock after a vaccine and a few years later so did my nephew. My nephew then started having seizures and was diagnosed with West Syndrome. He’s an adult now and has significant learning disabilities . Is it all connected? Who knows. My eldest is now 25 and has never had a vaccine. My other two are teenagers also unvaccinated. It’s a difficult decision.

My sister's too

Good job they'll likely be surrounded by people who have been vaccinated therefore giving them protection.

I hope your stance doesn't come back and bite you.

Vaccines do save lives, they also prevent blindness, deafness, brain damage, heart disease which can and does happen as a result of the diseases they prevent. I can’t understand anyone who wouldn’t vaccinate their child.

I am into Genealogy and discovered that several of my ancestors died as the result of a Polio outbreak in London in 1902. My great aunt lost seven of her children, including an adult daughter who was the mother of the four grandchildren who also died. They died with days of each other. She wasn’t the only one in the community who had suffered such losses, I looked through the burial records and found dozens of other families in the area who had all succumbed to this terrible disease.

I always think the existence of the NHS is such a useful counterpoint to these claims.

The NHS isn't there to make money. It's desperate to save money wherever it can. The NHS backing vaccination is such a good indication that the evidence shows that the current vaccine schedule creates a healthier (and less costly to the NHS) population overall.

The JCVI in particular is pretty brutal about cost/benefit.... just look at the decades of debate over varicella.

Impossible to say, really. Maybe her anti-virus software isn't working and Google has malfunctioned.

I mean it took me five minutes of intensive, er, looking. I wonder why PP's research has been so fruitless?

because the NHS recommends you to vaccinate your baby etc
is based on hard facts. What other 'facts' are you expecting? Hard scientific facts don't end where your feelings begin.

Why? What about the Covid vaccine has been so problematic for you?

chef's kiss

What irate the life out of me with these types of threads and topics , people assume they have the same level or knowledge or research as professionals that have had years of trainning/actual research (not google) and just in same way someone would say my child needs surgery and I'm wondering if I should do it or some random I've found on Internet! We use professionals for the job what they are trained for vaccinations save life's. We know this due to some childhood illnesses that have become Extinct ( well I am aware since anti vax that now needs to he reviewed) I think thay tells u all u need to know. Child death were way higher before vaccination s and now since anti vax movement illnesses that were wiped out r coming back, it's the children that cannot get vaccinated I feel sorry for as it's not their fault if they get something that would massively effect them or kill them.

A couple of people on this post have commented saying it’s a money making exercise etc and unfortunately those comments (wrongly so) have made me questions things.

This is a crazy way of looking at things. Your baby will be vaccinated against diseases that have killed thousands or even millions of people over time.

What is 'money-making' about vaccinations? Do you mean that pharmaceutical companies make money by selling the vaccines ? If so, well, yes - are they supposed to do it for free?? Think of all the money they have spent on developing the vaccines, on clinical trials, and in manufacturing.

I didn't have the MMR. Still autistic. I did have mumps. Very very poorly. Mum nearly died of measles back before the NHS was around.

Vaccines save lives.

Does Germany count?

Or Taiwan?

Does the impact on childhood cancer rates meet your criteria?

A risk taken on behalf of someone else. Which is why you defer to experts. Very reckless imo not to vaccinate against childhood diseases

A boy in my swimming class when I was 8 had the bottom half of one leg not formed properly. He was swimming to build strength and mobility. His parents had lived abroad and he missed the Uk vaccine program and he had got polio. And was permanently disabled.
That's the choice we make for our children, letting them benefit from previous generations saving future lives, by getting them vaccinated.

I recommend you book an appointment with your Gp to discuss your concerns. No good can come from reading websites. They are a load of rubbish, nowadays probably just AI generated anyway. And you don't have the scientific knowledge to read the medical journals going through all the evidence, which is the only info to trust. But your doctor does understand them and how vaccines work.

I worked on a Coronavirus trial back in 2012 - it wasn't a new drug. It wasn't a new form of delivery either since mRNA vaccine research was also well established. It was just a case of tweaking what had already been done to be applicable to this particular coronavirus.

Also, the only reason that trials usually take 6-10 years is due to a lack of funding and resources. Usually, you do a bit, apply and wait for the next bit of funding, do a bit, wait for the next PhD student to pick it up. The difference with the Covid vaccine was that all available money and resources were thrown at it all at once, everything else was put on hold.

The Covid vaccine had to satisfy the same stringent criteria as any other drug/vaccine before it could be approved to be given to the general public. No changes were made to 'rush it through'.

You understand what you want is impossible? There is too many variables in day to day life, habits, family history etc. to be able to determine whether a vaccine had any effect (negative or positive) on much else besides the disease it was designed against. I mean, the fact you even asking this tells me again that you don’t really understand how research works. We aren’t trying to lie to you.

I think you are a troll.

Measles left one of my dgc type 1 diabetic. It ruined her teenage years - didn't cope well at all. Measles has many side effects. Vaccinate.

Jesus if I was an antivaxer @Ann3347 would have me lining up at the docs at daybreak with my arm out 😂

Edited because also quoted the wrong post 🙈

OP, don't trust anything you read on the internet unless you're absolutely certain the source is reliable. Anyone can put together a slick-looking website and dole out advice on healthcare- what you get from Google is totally unreliable unless you stick to sources like the NHS, peer-reviewed studies etc.

To illustrate my point, I'm a professional writer. I write content for websites, some of which are relatively well-known, on a vast range of topics- DIY, gardening, elder care, and healthcare to name a few. I do not have any qualifications in these areas, although I research my content rigorously. I will only write healthcare articles for sites that have my articles reviewed by an expert before publication to ensure what I've written is correct, but loads of sites don't do this (I won't write for them because I have no business giving health advice without review by a doctor/scientist). Unless the content is from a truly reputable source, there's a good chance it's been written by a total random with no qualifications in the area or even AI.

Vaccines save lives, and I think it would be a really good idea to discuss your concerns with your doctor. They'll be able to answer your questions accurately and allay any concerns you have about vaccinating your baby.

I work with someone who is deaf because she contracted measles aged 3. Totally and completely deaf.

I know you’ve decided and got answers but I just wanted to share my experience, my Grandad had Polio as a young toddler, I’m sure treatment has advanced somewhat but not enough or else why would we vaccinate…..it is a horrible long illness, he nearly died but didn’t, once my G Grandma knew he would live, they thought he would die initially, they had many months of working out how and to what degree he would recover. His right foot was badly deformed and he walked with a limp but got away lightly compared to dying. It did however floor my Great Grandma and she was sectioned not long after he recovered as the stress brought on a mental breakdown.

I have also just recently finished reading an autobiography by a journalist I used to follow. He talks about his school days in the 50’s/60’s and how so many of the children he went to school with were mentally and physically disabled (a lot of blind and death children) due having been born in the time before vaccines.