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To insist on sending gluten free flour for DS's food tech lesson

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listsandbudgets · 08/01/2024 14:43

DS is gluten intolerant. We've just had an email from school asking us to send ingredients for bread and also scones - fair enough not too complicated. However the email goes on to say that it's so they can look at the affect of gluten in cooking

I've emailed back saying that as DS can't have gluten I'll send the closest gluten free equivalents I can find so DS can at least participate and almost immediately got a response saying that it had to be gluten because that was the point of the lesson.

AIBU to insist? It seems very unfair to make him cook something he can not eat. I'm considering emailing back telling them that having a gluten free version will help illustrate the differences and actually enhance the lesson (but I don't want to be THAT MOTHER!!)

OP posts:
YoureALizardHarry11 · 08/01/2024 18:38

KingsleyBorder · 08/01/2024 18:31

well, from bake-off I’ve learned that gluten makes dough go stretchy when kneaded. So I guess they need to make their own dough so they can knead and stretch it?

Yeah but theoretically the teacher could stand in front of the class and kneed the dough? Plus, maybe a GF cake would be a good to compare the difference.

KingsleyBorder · 08/01/2024 18:31

YoureALizardHarry11 · 08/01/2024 18:18

I know it’s not the point of the thread, but I don’t understand why they need the whole class to bake a cake each to show the effect. Surely they only need to bake one cake for demonstration purposes? I would do what they are asking but I understand your point as it seems such a waste of food and he will miss out. I’m sure you can eat it when he gets home though and maybe he can bake another with gluten free flour at home.

well, from bake-off I’ve learned that gluten makes dough go stretchy when kneaded. So I guess they need to make their own dough so they can knead and stretch it?

megletthesecond · 08/01/2024 18:25

Yanbu. He can cook the gluten free version and they can see the difference.
Otherwise, everyone else will be scoffing their food while your child twiddles their thumbs.

listsandbudgets · 08/01/2024 18:19

Sorry been working.

DS is intolerant to the extent that his stomach swells and he gets very bad cramps and dirrorah. It's not life threatening but neither is it pleasant. He CAN eat gluten but he definitely doesn't want to.

As it happens the teacher emailed again and said he'd look at this further as there may be a sensible compromise.

OP posts:
YoureALizardHarry11 · 08/01/2024 18:18

I know it’s not the point of the thread, but I don’t understand why they need the whole class to bake a cake each to show the effect. Surely they only need to bake one cake for demonstration purposes? I would do what they are asking but I understand your point as it seems such a waste of food and he will miss out. I’m sure you can eat it when he gets home though and maybe he can bake another with gluten free flour at home.

Kittylala · 08/01/2024 18:16

Hold your horses, you're so quick to demand your way. I'm amazed you've missed the point of the lesson. Open your ears

eatdrinkandbemerry · 08/01/2024 18:11

bimbodoc · 08/01/2024 17:58

Gluten has to be ingested to cause symptoms, it does not cause symptoms from skin exposure or inhalation.

It absolutely can!
I have no problems digesting it I just can't see or move my mouth due to swelling even if it's only airborne 🤷‍♀️

PickAChew · 08/01/2024 18:09

Flour gets everywhere, though, particularly when sifting it or sprinkling for dusting. If it can be inhaled, it can end up in the mouth. It's also not inconceivable for a kid, not particularly confident in the kitchen, to absent mindedly rub their face and increase their chance of ingesting gluten.

KingsleyBorder · 08/01/2024 18:07

Lifeinlists · 08/01/2024 17:29

Well yes, but is this teacher following 'standard practice'?

Sounds doubtful to me.

He/ she is wrong to refuse the gluten free flour anyway - there are plenty of recipes that OP's son could use and would serve as a good comparator.

But you said that the standard comparator is the washed flour? Would it not over-complicate things to have one student making a second comparator? And can’t he participate by baking the recipe with the washed flour?

KingsleyBorder · 08/01/2024 18:06

PickAChew · 08/01/2024 17:34

Not necessarily. I don't mind loading the breadmaker as long as I'm careful not to generate too much dust ie spoon the flour, rather than pour, but I've given up on general family baking with wheat flour because I ended up with the shits, afterwards, too often to be coincidence.

Edited

I’m not denying the possibility that some people might be affected simply by handling flour. I am saying that if this was the case for OP’s son she would not be letting him participate in the class at all due to all the flour floating about in the air.

bimbodoc · 08/01/2024 17:58

Gluten has to be ingested to cause symptoms, it does not cause symptoms from skin exposure or inhalation.

BoohooWoohoo · 08/01/2024 17:45

My personal experience is that most good tech food isn’t edible. Lots of the recipes taste crap or aren’t to the student’s taste so they throw it away or give it to someone more keen.

BoohooWoohoo · 08/01/2024 17:43

I think that this is a very risky class to do when some students have a gluten allergy and flour is hard to “control” as a substance. How will school prevent your son coming into contact with flour? For example is he exempt from washing up because he might come into contact with flour ?

My son did GCSE Food tech and he needed to know the theory on stuff like gluten but didn’t have to cook recipes with allergens that he reacted to in the same way that veggie students didn’t have to cook with or handle meat.

PickAChew · 08/01/2024 17:34

KingsleyBorder · 08/01/2024 15:16

The DC won’t be ill unless he eats the items containing gluten. If he had a severe allergy triggered by atmospheric exposure to gluten the OP would have had to pull him out of all food tech lessons already.

Not necessarily. I don't mind loading the breadmaker as long as I'm careful not to generate too much dust ie spoon the flour, rather than pour, but I've given up on general family baking with wheat flour because I ended up with the shits, afterwards, too often to be coincidence.

Lifeinlists · 08/01/2024 17:33

@TheSquareMile
I agree with you and would add that no child should ever 'sit it out' in a Food lesson. They should be participating with everyone else and I'd be pretty annoyed as a parent if they weren't.
It's up to the teacher to include everyone appropriately.

Lifeinlists · 08/01/2024 17:29

KingsleyBorder · 08/01/2024 17:16

It's standard practice to wash out the gluten experimentally and bake comparative experiments. Then you'll see the effect.

Too many Food teachers now have not been specifically trained to teach the subject.

@Lifeinlists surely if standard practice is as you say, then there is no need for gluten free flour to be brought in and the teacher is correct?

Well yes, but is this teacher following 'standard practice'?

Sounds doubtful to me.

He/ she is wrong to refuse the gluten free flour anyway - there are plenty of recipes that OP's son could use and would serve as a good comparator.

TheSquareMile · 08/01/2024 17:27

How old is he, by the way?

I wouldn't simply send him in with gluten-free flour, as they probably have a standard recipe for the class which is dependent on gluten-containing flour being used.

I think that there needs to be a happy medium in this instance.

Could you e-mail the teacher and attach some of the recipes provided by Coeliac UK for scones and loaves and ask him/her whether he/she will be happy for your son to follow that one with his own ingredients?

That way, he can participate in the lesson and learn about how gluten works when used in bakery, while not feeling obliged to sit it out while the other pupils makes their scones etc.

Just as a matter of interest, has he been tested for Coeliac Disease?

If not, it's important that he does get tested, as a positive result would lead to appointments with a Dietitian who can advise on how Coeliac Disease can be managed in the best way. Undiagnosed Coeliac Disease can have consequences, so it's better to know and then reduce the risk of those happening.

https://www.coeliac.org.uk/information-and-support/your-gluten-free-hub/home-of-gluten-free-recipes/1288039/

https://www.coeliac.org.uk/information-and-support/your-gluten-free-hub/home-of-gluten-free-recipes/939377/

Scones - Coeliac UK's home of gluten free recipes

coeliac.org.uk/recipes is your Home of gluten free recipes – Take a look at this Scones . You can make this basic gluten free scone mix either plain or with fruit. Simply add a handful of sultanas for the fruit scone. If you want to make them savoury,...

https://www.coeliac.org.uk/information-and-support/your-gluten-free-hub/home-of-gluten-free-recipes/1288039

MamPadi · 08/01/2024 17:26

Bit of a cheek insisting he has to cook something he can't eat! Also can he safely handle cooking with gluten or could that trigger symptoms?
Do the rest of you eat gluten? Bit mean but he could at least bring home stuff for you to eat so it's not wasted and you could get or make something gluten free for him instead.....

Ludovik · 08/01/2024 17:23

KingsleyBorder · 08/01/2024 15:16

The DC won’t be ill unless he eats the items containing gluten. If he had a severe allergy triggered by atmospheric exposure to gluten the OP would have had to pull him out of all food tech lessons already.

So everyone else is paying to cook something they can actually eat, but ops child is paying to cook something that they can’t?

If they are studying the effects of gluten in baking then they need both gluten and non gluten examples.

Unless the week after the whole class is making the same recipe again but with non gluten flour @listsandbudgets? In which case it at least makes scientific sense.

shoesday · 08/01/2024 17:22

Tell them the effect of using gluten is cooking is to give your son the shits

Smerpsmorp · 08/01/2024 17:21

Surely him having gluten free would explicitly demonstrate what gluten does???

don’t understand why the teacher wouldn’t just say yes - maybe because they won’t be happy with the outcome? Maybe it’d be flatter?

i wouldn’t be paying for an ingredient that he couldn’t eat!

KingsleyBorder · 08/01/2024 17:21

StaunchMomma · 08/01/2024 17:19

I have a gluten intolerance and no way would I work with non-gf flour. Your DS shouldn't be inhaling airborne flour particles.

The school have a Health & Safety responsibility for kids with allergies & intolerances.

Surely OP knows her son’s medical condition and risk management better than an internet random who has never met him?

KingsleyBorder · 08/01/2024 17:20

LodiDodi · 08/01/2024 17:16

Those asking whether he's been diagnosed are actually hilarious. The majority of people with coeliac disease are never diagnosed. And go on to develop neurological symptoms, rapid tooth decay, rashes and osteoporosis because doctors do not care about common and highly treatable diseases if they van make a lot of money masking your symptoms instead. Just think of all the dentists who would be out of business for a start.

I don’t think that people are saying he should eat the bread unless he has been diagnosed coeliac. I think what they are trying to flush out is the severity of the intolerance and whether the DS can be in a room where gluten is handled at all, and they are equating this level of intolerance with a coeliac diagnosis.

My view is that this is a non-point and he must be OK to be in a room with gluten otherwise OP would have pulled him out of the lesson altogether.

StaunchMomma · 08/01/2024 17:19

I have a gluten intolerance and no way would I work with non-gf flour. Your DS shouldn't be inhaling airborne flour particles.

The school have a Health & Safety responsibility for kids with allergies & intolerances.

LodiDodi · 08/01/2024 17:16

Those asking whether he's been diagnosed are actually hilarious. The majority of people with coeliac disease are never diagnosed. And go on to develop neurological symptoms, rapid tooth decay, rashes and osteoporosis because doctors do not care about common and highly treatable diseases if they van make a lot of money masking your symptoms instead. Just think of all the dentists who would be out of business for a start.