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Husband GOT UP

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BlackWhiteWhatNow · 29/12/2023 08:21

I WFH in a highly creative role. I find it impossible to work during holidays / weekends when people are hanging around the house randomly chatting to me when I'm attempting to concentrate (locking self in bedroom seems to be no barrier to kids/husband banging on door and requesting snacks etc. Sometimes they text me to ask stupid questions like where is the milk etc).

Husband reliably sleeps in when he doesn't need to get up for something, he works in construction and is off this week.

I creep downstairs this morning for a couple of hours of peace / work and husband immediately pops up, yawning, asking for cup of tea. AIBU to demand of him why the hell he hasn't stayed in the bloody bedroom? He has NOTHING ON today. He is currently sitting there, slurping tea, breathing very loudly, preventing me from concentrating.

Go on then, flame me (it's his house too, etc etc, blah blah) but jeez I've had to put up with so many people in my face and space this week I might kill him

No I don't have an office

Yes the bedroom is cold and it doesn't have tea or coffee making facilities

I think Christmas might have broken me.

OP posts:
IncompleteSenten · 29/12/2023 18:04

When I have this problem with people not respecting the fact I am busy I stop what I am doing, turn to them and ask them to explain to me why they don't think that my work is important because I don't understand. Why even though I have repeatedly told them what I am doing and to not disturb me, they carry on doing it and I would like an explanation.

I find people are less likely to carry on their shit when they know they have to justify it.

VictoriasSponges · 29/12/2023 17:53

I've had a look and I can't find anything about AIBU that states anyone ever comes here, or is supposed to come here, to ask for solutions to anything. The topic is about reasonableness (or not) and posters are welcomed to offer opinions on this aspect of the issue at hand.

Whether or not OP has decided they are being unreasonable or not is the entire point, and human nature is such that the OP will be annoyed if everyone disagrees with them.

Offer solutions if you must, and criticise people for not engaging with those solutions as you are free to do but it is incorrect to take issue with the very fact of a person posting in AIBU and not wishing to engage with suggestions for improvement. For this to be a valid complaint I would need to have posted in a topic called 'Please Advise on the Problem I Wish to Fix' or similar.

You're ignoring your final sentence that you you were 'broken'.

Unless you simply wanted a straight Yes/No, then of course you are going to get people offering solutions especially when your first post said 'I think Christmas might have broken me'.

If you are a writer, using language like carries weight and comes over as a cry for help.

You might have meant it as a rant.
Another poster could easily mean they were suicidal.

Posters rushed to your support, trying to help you find a way to stop 'being broken'.

You then went on to engage with what you have tried and what didn't work.
I can't see anything early on where you said you wanted no advice, only to offload.

So you are right. You should have made it clear that it was a rant, you weren't on the verge of breakdown and didn't want help.

AIBU gets all kinds of threads, mainly because people know it's a busy part of the site and it's renowned for posters being opinionated (I stand as charged and guilty!)

SoupDragon · 29/12/2023 17:47

PeloMom · 29/12/2023 17:18

What happened to his arms that he can’t make himself tea? Tell him to bugger off to another room

The OP was stood by the kettle making herself tea 🙄

Bobblhat · 29/12/2023 17:33

This is the most relatable thing I've ever read. NBU.

Cherrysoup · 29/12/2023 17:30

Vent away, but yabu re the dc coming to demand food. I’d go crazy.

Myotherusernamewastakenagain · 29/12/2023 17:19

PeloMom · 29/12/2023 17:18

What happened to his arms that he can’t make himself tea? Tell him to bugger off to another room

So rude.

PeloMom · 29/12/2023 17:18

What happened to his arms that he can’t make himself tea? Tell him to bugger off to another room

Brefugee · 29/12/2023 17:18

I'm with you, OP. venting is good for the soul.

Hope you managed to find some productive time today!

BlackWhiteWhatNow · 29/12/2023 17:16

@VictoriasSponges yes the job is writing adjacent

I've had a look and I can't find anything about AIBU that states anyone ever comes here, or is supposed to come here, to ask for solutions to anything. The topic is about reasonableness (or not) and posters are welcomed to offer opinions on this aspect of the issue at hand.

Whether or not OP has decided they are being unreasonable or not is the entire point, and human nature is such that the OP will be annoyed if everyone disagrees with them.

Offer solutions if you must, and criticise people for not engaging with those solutions as you are free to do but it is incorrect to take issue with the very fact of a person posting in AIBU and not wishing to engage with suggestions for improvement. For this to be a valid complaint I would need to have posted in a topic called 'Please Advise on the Problem I Wish to Fix' or similar.

@MalcolmsMiddle the whole point is to discuss whether IABU and that's what everyone has done so can't really see your issue? I feel like I have engaged with the debate as much as I need to. Once it's posted, the debate is no longer mine really

@Brefugee good idea....but I think venting happens in all topics and I for one bloody love it

OP posts:
Justia · 29/12/2023 16:39

sandyhappypeople · 29/12/2023 11:46

I know this sounds a bit harsh, but I'd be a bit embarrassed posting this OP, you're kids at 12 and 14 should be fully capable of respecting your work from home time and for gods sake getting their own snacks, you saying 'hopefully they'll learn soon' is ridiculous, why not just teach them? It's one thing for there to be a noisy household making it difficult to work, but them actively interrupting you all the time is unacceptable tbh.

Husband asking for tea while you're making tea is fair enough, but if you need peace and quiet for a couple of hours then just make it happen, communicate that's what you're going to be doing and just ignore, ignore, ignore, get noise cancelling headphones as someone else has suggested and failing all that, then fall back on the.. 'ask your dad' 'can't you do it yourself' mantra.

Just to point out @sandyhappypeople

If there is a lot of ND in OP’s family and OP is ND, then it’s likely the kids are too.

So you can expect they may be immature for their age in some respects and have difficulty with theory of mind (understanding how others may feel), impulse regulation and with self care/some basic functioning.

Speaking as a ND Mum in a house of ND people… it’s all a bit much in terms of balancing everyone’s needs.

Agree with the noise cancelling headphones… however a ND person can’t cope with any interruption.

If you can imagine it takes them 20 mins to settle to task. A two minute interruption from DC may mean a further 20 mins to settle to task… then you get 10 mins done before the other child asks about something.

She needs her own, preferably private workspace to hyper focus.

Believe it or not some offices have a separate room for the ND; they walk in go to their desk and none of them speak to anyone the whole day 👍.

Justia · 29/12/2023 16:21

BlackWhiteWhatNow · 29/12/2023 11:37

Neurodiverse? Maybe. There's a lot of it about in my immediate family, parent / brother / nephew / couple of first cousins all diagnosed ASD

I was just concentrating on something and heard DH say something to me. He repeated himself so I shifted my focus to him. It was a huge effort, and I lost the thread of what I was doing in the process. He was saying,

What day is it?

I got the absolute rage (internally). So maybe

I am and it stood out a mile to me from what you were saying, how you described the impact on you and everything. And with you being highly creative.

There are a tonne of ND women on MN as a preferred means of communication/socialisation.

There is a book about autism in women by Sarah Hendricks that might be worth a read or scan through. If it’s in your family to that extent it’s probable, but you won’t necessarily present like your male relatives.

I’d probably say asd comorbid with adhd.

Get him to build the shed. Find a place to be that isn’t in the house or organise for them to be out when you’re working in the meantime.

And investigate diagnosis because it is worth it for the level of legal protection you get when diagnosed. If you get PIP or other form of disability recognition, you also get free carer ticket at cinema, concerts, theatre, concessionary rates, you are fast tracked through airports. Pretty much all of the stuff you find stressful can be eradicated to some extend making life a bit easier. But you will know that from your family anyway.

Brefugee · 29/12/2023 16:05

maybe we need a "vent" sub-topic where we can just let it all out? no judgement from other posters just handholds and agreement?

MalcolmsMiddle · 29/12/2023 16:03

VictoriasSponges · 29/12/2023 15:31

The issue with posting in AIBU is that it's asking a question which (often) the OP has already answered in their own mind. And then they don't like anyone disagreeing with them.

Or they post here on the basis of 'more traffic'.

There ought to be a forum for 'Rants about Husbands' where posters can rant away, find solidarity, put their fingers in their ears when posters try to be helpful with solutions.

It's crystal clear that 'solutions' aren't welcome because people don't want anything to change, they just want to moan away.

That's fine. But don't go drawing conclusions that ALL men are 'like this' just because a few other posters pile in to share their own awful relationships.

Agreed, OP is massively unreasonable and hasn't prefixed with "light hearted" so probably just needs a place to vent rather than engage in a debate.

VictoriasSponges · 29/12/2023 15:35

I get that my role is designed, by me, over many years, partly as an excuse to avoid people and it usually works out fine.

Do you do something like copywriting, or some kind of art/ design/writing @BlackWhiteWhatNow

It is unrealistic to expect your family to tip toe around you when you are self-employed and surely could either take yourself out to a cafe or library, or take holiday at peak holiday times (like Xmas.)

I'd missed the fact you were self employed so it's not as if you are having to work for a company and have no choice.

Also- you chose your work to 'avoid people.'

Interesting!

VictoriasSponges · 29/12/2023 15:31

The issue with posting in AIBU is that it's asking a question which (often) the OP has already answered in their own mind. And then they don't like anyone disagreeing with them.

Or they post here on the basis of 'more traffic'.

There ought to be a forum for 'Rants about Husbands' where posters can rant away, find solidarity, put their fingers in their ears when posters try to be helpful with solutions.

It's crystal clear that 'solutions' aren't welcome because people don't want anything to change, they just want to moan away.

That's fine. But don't go drawing conclusions that ALL men are 'like this' just because a few other posters pile in to share their own awful relationships.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 29/12/2023 14:53

I'll make one thing clear as far as I am concerned if you have a job that requires quiet and focus and you think that you can do it at the kitchen table or other communal space over Christmas in a house with your husband and school-aged children in it then you are deluded and totally unreasonable. This is a you problem and pushing it on to your husband and children is a bit toxic really.

I agree, but I would also wonder whether in this case the need for isolation and quiet is because of the nature of the job, or because of the nature of the person doing it. My place of work is never quiet. Working at home with dh, dd and ds at home, variously playing computer games, chatting, making food and drinks, playing music etc would not bother me in the slightest.

BitOutOfPractice · 29/12/2023 14:45

a. Snacks: Kids don’t need them all the time. Being peckish is fine. Healthy even. It certainly won’t kill turn.

b. If they must have snacks why do they need to ask you. Please tell me that you’re not being asked by a 14 year old for snacks

c. Stop being such a fucking martyr (even though you seem to secretly enjoy it) and put your foot down.

Emotionalsupportviper · 29/12/2023 14:40

Eleganz · 29/12/2023 14:33

Can you not see that that is a you problem though? Random noise is a fact of life. Having zero tolerance of it is not your husband's fault.

I didn't say it was his "fault" - I said it gets on my nerves.

From the description of the cupboard rearranging, I'd hazard a guess your H is neurodiverse and the ASD spectrum. Has he ever been assessed for this ?

@VictoriasSponges - not necessarily. Friend's husband wasn't neurodiverse. He just thought he knew better than everyone else and that his system was better than hers. And it may have been - for him; but he wasn't the one working in that kitchen.

Brefugee · 29/12/2023 14:38

BlackWhiteWhatNow · 29/12/2023 12:28

Yes!! I immediately said, what the hell are you doing up I was hoping to be alone for a couple of hours I thought you were having a lie in you haven't got anything on why are you here??? Or similar

I said, I was planning on a couple of hours peace!!

He said, sorry about that. Can I have a cup of tea since you're making

i don't actually think that's a bad scenario/conversation (except I'd have said "since i'm working you make the tea"

But the DCs? I would be reading them the riot act. (mine realised that elevenses are A Thing, when we were all at home for Covid, and brought me tea and a biscuit every day at that time.)

Emotionalsupportviper · 29/12/2023 14:34

FreshWinterMorning · 29/12/2023 13:05

@Emotionalsupportviper · Today 10:08

Agree - it is a male trait to irritate the hell out of women.

When Mr Viper retired he became a thorn in my flesh regarding the everyday. I've grown accustomed to it and can ignore much now, but the fact that he WILL INSIST on coming to do food shopping with me still drives me crackers. Especially since our local Sainsbury's closed their cafe and I can't even suggest that he sits down with a paper and lets me get on with it.

Don't get me wrong - he doesn't interfere and say what I should or shouldn't buy, but he is THERE and it drives me up the wall!

Every woman I have spoken to, whose husband has retired/ changed career and is now working at home/ is spending more time in the house for whatever reason finds herself close to drowning even the best of husband's in a bucket in a very short time.

At least Mr Viper keeps out of the kitchen cupboards. A close friend's husband retired and promptly went through all of her cupboards, re-arranging crockery etc, and sorting tins/ packets by some strange system of his own which turned out to be related to something like calorific value/ nutritional value/ vitamin B12 content or something equally obscure. Frankly, I would have beaten him to death with a tin of beans.

Apparently his system was more efficient, but
a) he never went into the kitchen to cook or even clear up
and
b) she couldn't find a bloody thing!

😆 Are we married to the same man?!

It's the 'I've got a few days off so I'll re-arrange the fucking kitchen cupboards' phase.

This has happened quite a few times... to me......

When I am out for 5-6 hours meeting a friend, or a family member who lives 40 miles away, I come back, and all 10 kitchen cupboards have been completely re-arranged. He has spent 4 hours doing it.

He has done NOTHING ELSE in the house. No vacuuming, no dusting and polishing, no washing, no ironing, no cleaning the bathroom or the kitchen and bathroom floors, no cooking or prepping for dinner later, no oven-cleaning, no microwave cleaning. FUCK-ALL. Just everything moved around in the fucking kitchen cupboards. All the tins facing the same way - a-la 'sleeping with the enemy,' and things in alphabetical order, and oh-so-neat. With a beaming smile and a 'that's how you do it' remark. Followed by 'saved you a job there' and 'you're welcome!' Grin

Hmm

Not only am I fucked off that he has wasted 4 hours doing FUCK-ALL, but also I cannot find anything for WEEKS after. He thinks he has done me a favour, but all he has done is hindered me. Last time, I told him to never do it again. And the last few times I went out for 5-6 hours he did nothing. Didn't even wash a fucking plate. Arsehole.

Not only am I fucked off that he has wasted 4 hours doing FUCK-ALL, but also I cannot find anything for WEEKS after. He thinks he has done me a favour, but all he has done is hindered me. Last time, I told him to never do it again. And the last few times I went out for 5-6 hours he did nothing. Didn't even wash a fucking plate. Arsehole.

Yes, to all you posted, and this bit above particularly resonates . . .

Or if they do do something, you are expected to notice, comment and praise ("I did the hoovering and you didn't even say 'thank you' 😢") - it's like watching a 3 year old doing up their buttons, sometimes.

Eleganz · 29/12/2023 14:33

Emotionalsupportviper · 29/12/2023 14:31

This is my experience, too.

And funnily enough, adjoining bungalows (as in "My Wife Next Door") is something that has gone through my mind more than once (lottery win needed, sadly).

It's just like fingernails on a blackboard.

I hate random noise. Hate it. Really, really HATE it.

Can you not see that that is a you problem though? Random noise is a fact of life. Having zero tolerance of it is not your husband's fault.

OneLollipop · 29/12/2023 14:32

It is exhausting reinforcing boundaries - you have to spend a lot of energy thinking how you will present it, then tell them, then continually reinforce the boundary for however long until everyone learns. It's another job for the to-do list isn't it

You're making it way too complicated.

  1. "When I am working, I am WORKING. I am unavailable unless there is an emergency - the same as you, when you're working. If you interrupt me while I'm working then I will ask you if it's an emergency. If it's not, I will resume working straight away."
  1. "Is it an emergency?" "No, but..." "I am working. Please go away."
  1. "Is it an emergency?" "No, but..." "I am working. Go away."
  1. Repeat 3 as necessary.

If you stick to your boundaries, they will get the hang of it quite quickly. If you're inconsistent it'll take longer. If you like you can make an "Is it an emergency?" sign to hold up instead of speaking, and flip it round to write "I'm working" on the other side.

Signed, strongly boundaried person who is nonetheless everyone's go-to in a crisis because strong boundaries don't make you selfish (your friends who behave selfishly aren't strongly boundaried, they're just selfish)

Emotionalsupportviper · 29/12/2023 14:31

FreshWinterMorning · 29/12/2023 12:02

Totally on your side @BlackWhiteWhatNow As pps have said, why do men do this?! They seem incapable of being on their own/doing stuff on their own. Even when the kids were growing up (2 girls close in age,) my DH would never do anything with just them, not even taking them for appointments - or day trips - or anything school related. It was always me (and occasionally me and him!) And now (we are late 50s,) he hardly EVER goes out without me.

He pulls a face when he has a GP appointment or dental appointment and I refuse to go with him. I used to go as he sulked if I didn't, but now I have had enough and say 'stop acting like a fucking bratty toddler. You don't NEED me there! I will just be sitting there bored shitless, waiting with you until you go in, and then waiting while you're in there. FFS.' He doesn't even go out without me to buy my gifts for Christmas/birthday/anniversary/Valentines - he gets it all off fucking Amazon and ebay, so he doesn't have to leave the house - alone!

Some people do say 'it's his house too la la la...' but it's the fact that when men are at home all the time, they make their presence known so much more than women. They won't stop chatting, they follow you around, they dominate the tv... Basically, they just DOMINATE. I fucking hate my DH being at home all the time, and have been driven crazy when he has been off on sick for some weeks (after a hospital procedure or something,) and nearly lost my sanity when he was off for 6 months during covid, (on furlough!) If we didn't live in a lovely rural area of beauty, and didn't have a big garden for me to lose myself in and tend to, I would have lost my shit.

When he is off work for a period of time, he often follows me around like a fucking lost lamb, and just doesn't stop TALKING. I am in the kitchen doing dinner and he comes in and just stands there. I say 'what? what d'ya want?' He says I have just come for a 'chat.' FFS, we can chat over dinner, I am cooking, I am busy, fuck off!!!

Also, when he is watching something on TV that only HE wants to watch, I will bury my nose in a book - or mumsnet - and yet he keeps chatting through HIS programme, and often gives me a fucking running commentary on it! I say 'err, I am not interested!' He pouts and says 'well I am!' He is actually miffed because I am not paying his stupid programme full attention. Fuxake! Just because YOU like it that doesn't mean I have to fucking watch it and pay attention to it!

I was working through lockdown (18-20 hours a week,) as I WFH, and he was like a fucking attention-seeking toddler. He gets bored so easily, he has no hobbies, and no friends (just a couple of work colleagues he gets on with well but they didn't see each other during covid!)

Many men seem to go through 2 phases in their life. The first one where they are never there, always working, doing their hobbies, going out with mates and leaving you to do everything/all the childcare etc. And the second phase where they quit their hobbies, their friends drift away, and they hate work, and develop multiple ailments and spend a lot of time on the sick, and act like fucking toddlers - unable to do anything without you. And they are just always there......

Being with my DH is like having a third child sometimes. We have plenty in common and have some good laughs and he is kind and loving, and we have fun days out and enjoy lots of TV and theatre together, and have some great holidays, but he is quite hard work sometimes. I am not looking forward to him retiring. 😬I wouldn't want him out of my life forever, but I do sometimes wish we lived in 2 little bungalows side by side, so I am close to him, but have my own space/own home! (Couldn't afford to run 2 places though!)

This is my experience, too.

And funnily enough, adjoining bungalows (as in "My Wife Next Door") is something that has gone through my mind more than once (lottery win needed, sadly).

It's just like fingernails on a blackboard.

I hate random noise. Hate it. Really, really HATE it.

Brefugee · 29/12/2023 14:30

BlackWhiteWhatNow · 29/12/2023 11:37

Neurodiverse? Maybe. There's a lot of it about in my immediate family, parent / brother / nephew / couple of first cousins all diagnosed ASD

I was just concentrating on something and heard DH say something to me. He repeated himself so I shifted my focus to him. It was a huge effort, and I lost the thread of what I was doing in the process. He was saying,

What day is it?

I got the absolute rage (internally). So maybe

but what do you say to him about the interruption?
Because in your shoes it would seriously be "next time you interrupt me i am going to stab you in the eye with my pencil"

Eleganz · 29/12/2023 14:29

Emotionalsupportviper · 29/12/2023 14:25

You can spend time in your own house without interfering in other people's perfectly workable, practical systems just for the hell of it.

Ah yes, practical systems that require you not to be present to work of course!