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To let my step daughter call me "mum" ?

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Lospecesenelrio · 28/12/2023 21:38

Good evening everyone. Long time reader, but new poster. I feel like a horrible mother, and would love some opinions on my situation. Feel free to be as honest as you want.

I am married to a wonderful man, I'll call "William" here for the past 7 years. William has a 9yo daughter and I have a 19yo son. Together, we have 4yo twins.

My son lives with us full time, so does my daughter. The difference is that my son's father is very much involved while my SD's mother is absent.

She has always known who her mother is, but hasn't seen her in 4 years now. SD used to call me by my name, but recently she started calling me mum. I am very happy with it, she even wrote me a beautiful letter asking me to adopt her in the future.

The issue is that my son isn't happy with it. He keeps having arguments with me about how I am not her mother, and that I am betraying him. He goes " I don't call William dad so why would she called you mum". I keep explaining to him that she feels left out that everyone calls me mum in the house apart from her ( That's what she said to me.)

But , for the past week, he stopped talking to and threatens to never see me or his siblings again if I let my stepdaughter call me mum.

I refuse to tell her to not call me what she wants. She has been there since the day I have met my husband. Am I a horrible mother to not take into account my son's expectations/needs?

OP posts:
AllergicCatLover · 28/12/2023 23:04

Aww OP you sound like a lovely mum of all kinds. Given how little your SD's birth mum is present in her life, it's no wonder to me she wants someone to call mum.

Your son is just incredibly threatened by it, and I think if you put yourself in a teenage mindset it's possible to see it's coming from a great deal of insecurity. As he grows independent, he wants it both ways - he wants to be able to be a 'grown up' but is simultaneously jealous of the closeness you have with your SD and worried about being replaced and becoming less important to you as he gains independence from you. It's not easy to navigate emotions at the best of times. He is not expressing himself well and is being ultimately pretty selfish, but I feel it must be coming from that insecurity so trying to address that is the key.

Are there any issues on the horizon with, eg, rooms at home and how long he can call his home really home going forward? How much time do you have just you and him? Is he maybe craving some mum-and-son attention? I know he should be old enough but maturity can come at different stages to different people and 19 is definitely a vulnerable age in terms of the transitions. It sounds like he's just a bit slow on the uptake that there really IS enough love to go around.

Best of luck OP - you'd hope the parenting would get easier by the time they're grown up but clearly not!

iamwhatiam23 · 28/12/2023 23:03

PutinSmellsPassItOn · 28/12/2023 21:45

I'd tell him to grow the fuck up and stop acting like a bellend. He's 19 not 10. Absolutely no excuse for behaving like that.

Exactly this

JMSA · 28/12/2023 23:03

Why do people on MN baby young adults so much.

You are aware that suicide remains the biggest killer of young men in the UK?
This young man needs understanding.

mayorofcasterbridge · 28/12/2023 23:01

Legendairy · 28/12/2023 23:00

You have absolutely no idea of what my kids have been through, certainly more serious in nature than a situation that involves 2 loving parents and 3 siblings who want to be part of a loving family.

This level of emotional understanding isn't really of an adult nature. 19 isn't that young.

Of course 19 is young - catch a grip!

He's barely out of school! He was a teenager during the Covid years - remember them? When their schooling and their socialising and all of that growing up was completely disrupted??? Do you have zero compassion?

Howbizzare22 · 28/12/2023 23:00

QueSyrahSyrah · 28/12/2023 21:46

Is there some other mitigating reason that a 19 year old young Man would be jealous of a 7 year old girl who doesn't have her own Mum around?? I can't wrap my head around it otherwise.

Like a PP assuming it's not SEN or ND that is having an effect here I'd be telling him to grow up, frankly.

This all day long. Let her call you mum, you’re lovely & caring and sound like a great mum and you care for her where she has essentially been abandoned by her birth mother. If your adult child wants to be this unreasonable that’s his problem but obviously do your best to reassure him he’ll always be special to you he’s your son you love him dearly etc etc & this is just a name to help make little girl feel cared for & part of the family. Maybe arrange monthly 1:1 mother & son time especially to help the issue until he comes round.

mayorofcasterbridge · 28/12/2023 23:00

Sameshitdifferentdayagain · 28/12/2023 22:49

I'd be telling your son that he doesn't get to dictate to you. She's a little girl who doesn't know her biological mother.

Your son needs a lesson in compassion. I'd not tolerate his bullshit over this for a second!

Well bully for you.

You need a lesson in compassion yourself - for a confused young man who feels pushed out!!!!

Legendairy · 28/12/2023 23:00

mayorofcasterbridge · 28/12/2023 22:55

Come back to me when your kids have experienced the same life circumstances as this young man has.

Some people on MN understand that YP aren't fully mature when not even out of their teens.

You have absolutely no idea of what my kids have been through, certainly more serious in nature than a situation that involves 2 loving parents and 3 siblings who want to be part of a loving family.

This level of emotional understanding isn't really of an adult nature. 19 isn't that young.

Asterales · 28/12/2023 23:00

Amazing post by @Devonshiregal , i think this hits the nail on the head.

scorpiogirly · 28/12/2023 22:58

Tell him to get over himself.

Catsmere · 28/12/2023 22:58

Bellyblueboy · 28/12/2023 22:54

I am surprised at the low bar for emotional
maturity held here for a 19 year old adult male with no special needs or developmental delay.

While of course he will always be his mummy’s little boy he is also an adult - he is not a child. At his age a lot of adults are living away from home at university or already in full time employment.

this man is throwing a temper tantrum because he doesn’t want his primary school age step sister to call his mum mum! A child who has grown up without her own mother.

while this young man has always had two parents in his life, and by the sound of it two present step parents.

I would understand if was a nine year old - but he is 19!! The way he is expressing his frustration is surprising for someone of his age. How does he cope with other issues in life? What happens when his girlfriends breaks up with him or he fails an exam or doesn’t get a promotion? Has he ever had counselling to help him regulate his emotions?

Exactly!

Calliopespa · 28/12/2023 22:58

Catsmere · 28/12/2023 22:56

OP's updates make it clear she does tell her son he's loved, does make time for him. Yet he's still threatening tantrums over her little stepdaughter calling her Mum.

It's not demonising to say he's behaving badly and needs to grow up. If an OP was complaining about her nineteen year old boyfriend behaving like this, she wouldn't be getting "he's just a child" advice.

Yes but that’s because he’d be her boyfriend not her son. She wouldn’t be supposed to mother him. It wouldn’t be her role. It is OP’s role and he clearly still needs it.

mayorofcasterbridge · 28/12/2023 22:58

Bellyblueboy · 28/12/2023 22:54

I am surprised at the low bar for emotional
maturity held here for a 19 year old adult male with no special needs or developmental delay.

While of course he will always be his mummy’s little boy he is also an adult - he is not a child. At his age a lot of adults are living away from home at university or already in full time employment.

this man is throwing a temper tantrum because he doesn’t want his primary school age step sister to call his mum mum! A child who has grown up without her own mother.

while this young man has always had two parents in his life, and by the sound of it two present step parents.

I would understand if was a nine year old - but he is 19!! The way he is expressing his frustration is surprising for someone of his age. How does he cope with other issues in life? What happens when his girlfriends breaks up with him or he fails an exam or doesn’t get a promotion? Has he ever had counselling to help him regulate his emotions?

Empathy isn't a massive factor in the life of a 19 year old man. Nor can they always articulate their feelings.

Mind you, empathy is in short supply on this thread, where supposed parents have called this poster's young adult son, who clearly has issues from his upbringing, horrible names!!!

I think the 19 year old is more mature!!!

Legendairy · 28/12/2023 22:57

Calliopespa · 28/12/2023 22:54

Because he clearly isn’t as mature as some 15 or 16 year olds. We all mature at different rates and OP herself said she has made some mistakes in hindsight. I’ve matured masses since I was 19 🤗

I understand that but after a conversation to explain you would think he could understand more about the situation.

I would be shocked if no one matured from 19 onwards but I would still expect an adult of any age to have some emotional maturity to understand this situation, most kids of 13 upwards could probably have this sort of discussion and understand it.

Calliopespa · 28/12/2023 22:57

Weenurse · 28/12/2023 22:49

There is something going on with your son that probably dates back to when you and DH got together.
DS just hasn’t worked through those emotions and is placing it all on DSD.
He probably needs to talk to someone to work through things.

I really agree.

Catsmere · 28/12/2023 22:56

OP's updates make it clear she does tell her son he's loved, does make time for him. Yet he's still threatening tantrums over her little stepdaughter calling her Mum.

It's not demonising to say he's behaving badly and needs to grow up. If an OP was complaining about her nineteen year old boyfriend behaving like this, she wouldn't be getting "he's just a child" advice.

mayorofcasterbridge · 28/12/2023 22:55

Legendairy · 28/12/2023 22:51

I havent said he shouldnt have feelings. She has spoken to him and tried to discuss it, he is not listening at all? Should she give in and tell the DD to not call her mum. 19 yos are not children, my 15 and 17 yo sound more mature TBH. At 19 he should be able to understand why she wants to call her mum and at the same time articulate why he is unhappy about it. Instead he's given the response I would expect from a 12/13 yo. Why do people on MN baby young adults so much.

Come back to me when your kids have experienced the same life circumstances as this young man has.

Some people on MN understand that YP aren't fully mature when not even out of their teens.

Legendairy · 28/12/2023 22:55

As long as the OP has done everything she can to reassure him he is not being replaced and that she loves him, what else can she do. A 19 yo should be mature enough to understand why a 9 yo needs that security.

Castellanos · 28/12/2023 22:55

sunglassesonthetable · 28/12/2023 22:46

Please don't accept the demonising of your son here either. It's horrible.

Couldn't agree more.

I agree too.

There must be a reason he's take this stance. Is he normally able to communicate his feelings @Lospecesenelrio?
Can you show him you're concerned there are problems under the surface if he's really feeling this way?

RosesAndHellebores · 28/12/2023 22:54

As a 63 year old with a step father, I think it's terribly complicated and that your son needs reassurance that he is as important as the other children in the blended family.

My children don't really remember my father. My mother tried to insist they called my stepfather grandad. They were married in 1981, my children born in 1994 and 1998. I was incandescent. He was not my father, therefore was not their grandfather.

Calliopespa · 28/12/2023 22:54

Legendairy · 28/12/2023 22:51

I havent said he shouldnt have feelings. She has spoken to him and tried to discuss it, he is not listening at all? Should she give in and tell the DD to not call her mum. 19 yos are not children, my 15 and 17 yo sound more mature TBH. At 19 he should be able to understand why she wants to call her mum and at the same time articulate why he is unhappy about it. Instead he's given the response I would expect from a 12/13 yo. Why do people on MN baby young adults so much.

Because he clearly isn’t as mature as some 15 or 16 year olds. We all mature at different rates and OP herself said she has made some mistakes in hindsight. I’ve matured masses since I was 19 🤗

Bellyblueboy · 28/12/2023 22:54

I am surprised at the low bar for emotional
maturity held here for a 19 year old adult male with no special needs or developmental delay.

While of course he will always be his mummy’s little boy he is also an adult - he is not a child. At his age a lot of adults are living away from home at university or already in full time employment.

this man is throwing a temper tantrum because he doesn’t want his primary school age step sister to call his mum mum! A child who has grown up without her own mother.

while this young man has always had two parents in his life, and by the sound of it two present step parents.

I would understand if was a nine year old - but he is 19!! The way he is expressing his frustration is surprising for someone of his age. How does he cope with other issues in life? What happens when his girlfriends breaks up with him or he fails an exam or doesn’t get a promotion? Has he ever had counselling to help him regulate his emotions?

mayorofcasterbridge · 28/12/2023 22:54

Just1MoreMinute · 28/12/2023 22:47

At 19 years old, he needs to get a grip.

If he was 29 or 39, I might agree with you.

19 is still so young!!!

Nicole1111 · 28/12/2023 22:53

What a horrible young man (sorry). He grew up with the benefit of a mother and he has no empathy for a child who didn’t have that luxury. He sounds incredibly self absorbed. If you deny this child what she wants, which is to recognise you are her maternal care giver in name, not only will you likely cause her trauma but you’ll be making a rod for your own back in terms of your son thinking he’s king of the castle.

Calliopespa · 28/12/2023 22:52

LondonLass91 · 28/12/2023 22:50

Imagine using the word bellend when describing someone's child on this forum, a forum for mothers seeking advice. What an awful thing to say - seems like you're the one who needs to grow up.

Also he is much much older than his SS but still young in the scheme of Life.

mottytotty · 28/12/2023 22:51

RedHelenB · 28/12/2023 21:42

But you're not her mum. Could she call you mum and then your name? Having said that , it's not up to your son to decide.

Blimey. If they both want OP to be mum, then she is mum.