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....to be unsurprised the BBC called the London Oratory a "prestigious private school" when it isn't?

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doorkeeper · 27/12/2023 18:06

The London Oratory school is in the news because there's been a minor blaze there (nobody hurt) and a pupil has been taken in for questioning.

I was idly listening to PM on Radio 4, and they described the school as a "prestigious private school". Except it isn't, of course. It's a state-funded school. Except, again, it's functionally a free private school for posh and/or famous people that most ordinary mortals couldn't hope to get their kids into. I found this burst of accidental honesty from the BBC quite refreshing.

I'm sick of the posh London schools that are state-funded but that are effectively free private schools because of the way they massage their admissions. The now-disgraced former head of Holland Park School was taking HPS firmly in that direction, I know that a few other West London schools operate in the same way. I would love to see Ofsted - who were useless re the HPS scandal until it was too late - address this in some way. All children, even the ones whose parents aren't rich or famous, should have equal access to local schools, regardless of income, religion or parental connections.

AIBU to enjoy this bit of accidental honesty from the BBC?

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Ewrika · 02/05/2024 18:13

BobbyBiscuits · 02/05/2024 18:06

Is it selective, is there an exam? I guess if so then it's more like a grammar. If it's not I don't see how they can only end up with posh ones!?
I went to a comp that is considered one of the better/posher ones in that area of London. But still there were at least 50% of the kids from the local estates and some were pretty challenging behaviour wise. My friends all left with zero GCSEs! I guess that says more about my choice of friends than the school. Lol.

Fulham has lots estates

StormingNorman · 02/05/2024 18:12

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 17:35

R u racist ?
jesus won’t like u behave this way .

How did you get racism from…

Oh hang on, I just caught myself before engaging in an argument with a troll.

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 18:11

BobbyBiscuits · 02/05/2024 18:06

Is it selective, is there an exam? I guess if so then it's more like a grammar. If it's not I don't see how they can only end up with posh ones!?
I went to a comp that is considered one of the better/posher ones in that area of London. But still there were at least 50% of the kids from the local estates and some were pretty challenging behaviour wise. My friends all left with zero GCSEs! I guess that says more about my choice of friends than the school. Lol.

Maybe they have comprehension misunderstanding of “posh “ ?
see above self claimed mums behaviour .
posh ? Haha

StarlightLime · 02/05/2024 18:11

Get a bloody grip, @Ewrika . You've completely derailed the thread with your nonsense.

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 18:09

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Ewrika · 02/05/2024 18:08

Ok so statistically so far , 70% of here self claimed current mums are aggressive abusive online, this speaks Volumn for its own image . Not the type of attitude I expect .
it rather remind me of a school in Crydon .

LBFseBrom · 02/05/2024 18:08

Ozgirl75 · 27/12/2023 18:33

I don’t know how the London systems work but dont schools have a catchment area? So how do they massage entries if they have to take people from a certain area. There aren’t state selective schools in London are there?

There are two grammar schools in Bromley that take people from outside their catchment area, and I know one in Bexley that does. My next door neighbours' children went to the one in Bexley which is not our catchment, though not far. My son was offered a place at one in Bromley but we didn't take it as he had another offer which was preferred. Therefore, yes, they do take children from outside their catchment area.

The Oratory is a grammar school, therefore state funded. Admission is according to how bright the child is. I know someone who had three boys at the Oratory.

Teacupsandrollups · 02/05/2024 18:06

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 18:05

Do I know u ? U want to know where other people s children school names ?

Are you actually ok? You don’t sound well, seriously.

BobbyBiscuits · 02/05/2024 18:06

Is it selective, is there an exam? I guess if so then it's more like a grammar. If it's not I don't see how they can only end up with posh ones!?
I went to a comp that is considered one of the better/posher ones in that area of London. But still there were at least 50% of the kids from the local estates and some were pretty challenging behaviour wise. My friends all left with zero GCSEs! I guess that says more about my choice of friends than the school. Lol.

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 18:05

Teacupsandrollups · 02/05/2024 18:04

Has your son actually got a place at QE boys, or are you just pointlessly ranting about that one too?

Do I know u ? U want to know where other people s children school names ?

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 18:04

newusername2009 · 02/05/2024 17:59

But surely that can’t be a Catholic Church then and with the school being so over subscribed it is only Catholics that get a place.

Maybe orphan too .
but maybe they reject top 1/2/3 criteria hence forcing all qualified to appeal .

the seizure mum friend will just move onto grammar school with much better SENCO .
Than figuring out los Inside out . Neither bother to appeal .

Teacupsandrollups · 02/05/2024 18:04

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 18:01

Maybe QE boys have better senco .
and more empathy sympathy to SEND kids.

than this one.

Has your son actually got a place at QE boys, or are you just pointlessly ranting about that one too?

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 18:01

Maybe QE boys have better senco .
and more empathy sympathy to SEND kids.

than this one.

newusername2009 · 02/05/2024 17:59

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 17:46

U see: my church does LGBTQ mass .
and HIV mass .
so this strictness of Los is shock for me again .

But surely that can’t be a Catholic Church then and with the school being so over subscribed it is only Catholics that get a place.

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 17:58

So it sounds like QE boys but catholic.

got it .

Teacupsandrollups · 02/05/2024 17:55

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 17:46

U see: my church does LGBTQ mass .
and HIV mass .
so this strictness of Los is shock for me again .

Why? Aren’t these people welcome at a regular mass?

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 17:53

Pipeskeepleaking · 02/05/2024 17:43

The point abt catholic schools only being better when oversubscribed is so true - round us they are not good…

Round here . They r v good .
and empty due to low birth rate .

1% free meal .
and
people there super diversity , all foreign accents , no one barking online at office hours .
super nice and friendly .

Sw19 is similar too . Maybe 10% free meal .
diverse also. No insiders ones barking at 5pm online .
the mums all quite happy there in primary , nothing to moan / complaint about .

StarlightLime · 02/05/2024 17:50

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 17:47

so u r current mums of Los . And u call all future SEND kids bullets ?
well done .

Nothing of the sort. You should take your own advice and "self improve on comprehension skills".
It's badly needed.

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 17:47

StarlightLime · 02/05/2024 17:42

The Oratory sure dodged a bullet here...

so u r current mums of Los . And u call all future SEND kids bullets ?
well done .

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 17:46

CaptainOhMyCaptain · 02/05/2024 17:13

Look, I don’t know any secondary schools who do the Greek day/preloved sale/library volunteers/staff appreciation stuff. Although our primary school does ALL those things. It’s just not how secondary schools work in the UK - they are big machines.

LOS is known for its results, its discipline, its strictness, its fairly fierce brand of Catholicism. The most cursory research would show this. They don’t do nurturing and I’ve heard several stories about inflexibility when it comes to medical conditions. But still they have hundreds, literally, on the waiting list. So just because you (and I) don’t fancy it, there are lots and lots that do.

U see: my church does LGBTQ mass .
and HIV mass .
so this strictness of Los is shock for me again .

Pipeskeepleaking · 02/05/2024 17:43

The point abt catholic schools only being better when oversubscribed is so true - round us they are not good…

StarlightLime · 02/05/2024 17:42

The Oratory sure dodged a bullet here...

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 17:42

newusername2009 · 02/05/2024 17:32

I’m an LOS parent and very happy with the school. Going from primary to secondary is a big change though - I don’t know what it is like in other countries but here in the UK you def lose the personal touch because of the size of the schools.

I’m sorry others have had bad experiences but I have to say I found the application and admissions process very well managed, it’s true there were some bits of information missing but I guess my expectations were in line with a large state secondary school rather than a primary or private school experience.

and FYI - my sons group of friends are very diverse in terms of background both in terms of race and privilege. The thing they do have in common is they are all practising catholics and that doesn’t depend on whether their parents are cleaners or bankers - if you believe you find the time for mass contrary to a suggestion further up that a cleaner doesn’t have time to go to mass.

Yeah she said she got in thanks to sibling policy . Rest friends all got in via appeal .

and her kids have 0 medical conditions.
she is super busy working.
so this school works out wonderfully for her case .

but everyone case is different .
the mum with seizure kid won’t go there now .

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 17:40

CaptainOhMyCaptain · 02/05/2024 17:13

Look, I don’t know any secondary schools who do the Greek day/preloved sale/library volunteers/staff appreciation stuff. Although our primary school does ALL those things. It’s just not how secondary schools work in the UK - they are big machines.

LOS is known for its results, its discipline, its strictness, its fairly fierce brand of Catholicism. The most cursory research would show this. They don’t do nurturing and I’ve heard several stories about inflexibility when it comes to medical conditions. But still they have hundreds, literally, on the waiting list. So just because you (and I) don’t fancy it, there are lots and lots that do.

Omg thanks so much !

this is the most objective helpful post !

rather than insider bull dog barking and attacking !

Ewrika · 02/05/2024 17:37

newusername2009 · 02/05/2024 17:32

I’m an LOS parent and very happy with the school. Going from primary to secondary is a big change though - I don’t know what it is like in other countries but here in the UK you def lose the personal touch because of the size of the schools.

I’m sorry others have had bad experiences but I have to say I found the application and admissions process very well managed, it’s true there were some bits of information missing but I guess my expectations were in line with a large state secondary school rather than a primary or private school experience.

and FYI - my sons group of friends are very diverse in terms of background both in terms of race and privilege. The thing they do have in common is they are all practising catholics and that doesn’t depend on whether their parents are cleaners or bankers - if you believe you find the time for mass contrary to a suggestion further up that a cleaner doesn’t have time to go to mass.

Thanks but I never mentioned cleaner .
I am foreign cleaner myself with what those above insiders racists saying? “ my poor English “ accent .