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The amount of money requested from school especially in December is insane!

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Notchangingnameagain · 19/12/2023 10:38

Just that really....

This month, on the online payment app, secondary school have asked for:

£5.00 School Disco - Whole School
£1.00 Team Building - Whole School
£1.00 Non Uniform/Christmas Jumper - Whole School
£120.00 Trip in July - Plus Spending Money
£7.50 Textbook
£6.50 Textbook
£43.00 Trip in January - Plus Spending Money
£163.00 Trip in February - Plus Spending Money
£4.00 Christmas Lunch - Whole School
£10.00 Secret Santa
£45.00 Trip in January - Plus Spening Money

£406.00.

I have two children in the school so it is actually higher than that for me if I said yes to everything.

I know none of the above is compulsory and some things can be paid in instalments, but it is a lot of money and it is a lot to say no too if you can't afford any of it regardless of an instalment plan.

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celticprincess · 02/10/2024 09:12

youngirlsworld · 01/10/2024 11:17

So my daughter's school keep asking for "voluntary contribution" for trips to visit places like museums which are free of charge or every other trip. They will then send out urgent messages stating that unless suficient funds are available, they will have to cancel the trip(which very often happens). Trips like to town centre which will take 5 minutes on a bus, they ask for a £20 payment.

My question is : Are school funded by local councils, government or whatever to cover the costs for such trips? If so, why do they keep asking for more and more money?

I think it's unfair to cancel such trips for no other reason rather than greed (if that's what's happening here). I have paid but would like to ask questions too.

Anyone with similar thoughts?

We are in Winchester, UK.

Thank you

No. The school does not have funding which would pay for travel for trips.

yea the museums are free. Often if a workshop is involved there will be a cost for that as many museums charge for those additional things. Then coaches cost an absolute fortune. Try getting a quote for a coach for 30 kids to go into town and back and see what they charge. Insurance for coaches went up as did fuel. They pay their driver for the whole trip even if they’re just sat on the car park whilst the kids are off learning.

school budgets are squeezed. Children entitled to free school lunches carry additional funding for school - pupil premium - but this is for those low income lunches not the general all kS1 lunches.

Lion1618 · 01/10/2024 13:42

youngirlsworld · 01/10/2024 11:17

So my daughter's school keep asking for "voluntary contribution" for trips to visit places like museums which are free of charge or every other trip. They will then send out urgent messages stating that unless suficient funds are available, they will have to cancel the trip(which very often happens). Trips like to town centre which will take 5 minutes on a bus, they ask for a £20 payment.

My question is : Are school funded by local councils, government or whatever to cover the costs for such trips? If so, why do they keep asking for more and more money?

I think it's unfair to cancel such trips for no other reason rather than greed (if that's what's happening here). I have paid but would like to ask questions too.

Anyone with similar thoughts?

We are in Winchester, UK.

Thank you

Schools receive a certain amount of funding per pupil. This is barely enough to cover the running of the school (and often doesn't even do that) let alone anything additional, which is why families are asked to cover additional expenses such as trips, parties etc. PTAs also exist to try and fundraise to contribute towards these additional experiences.
They ask for voluntary contributions as they cannot exclude children from curriculum-linked visits just because their parents haven't paid for it, however if they can't cover the costs from these contributions then they're completely within their rights not to run the trip at a massive loss. Most of the curriculum can be taught in school, with the exception of things like swimming usually, so schools can cut right back on the amount of visits and experiences that they offer. However they then get picked up for not providing enriching and varied experiences. They can't really win!

youngirlsworld · 01/10/2024 11:17

So my daughter's school keep asking for "voluntary contribution" for trips to visit places like museums which are free of charge or every other trip. They will then send out urgent messages stating that unless suficient funds are available, they will have to cancel the trip(which very often happens). Trips like to town centre which will take 5 minutes on a bus, they ask for a £20 payment.

My question is : Are school funded by local councils, government or whatever to cover the costs for such trips? If so, why do they keep asking for more and more money?

I think it's unfair to cancel such trips for no other reason rather than greed (if that's what's happening here). I have paid but would like to ask questions too.

Anyone with similar thoughts?

We are in Winchester, UK.

Thank you

helpihaveateen · 22/12/2023 17:11

Notchangingnameagain · 19/12/2023 12:02

I have two children in the school, I did have 3!

£120.00 Trip in July - Plus Spending Money of £10.00 - Camping "Compulsory" Trip

£43.00 Trip in January - Plus Spending Money of £5.00 - Trip for Woodwork Experience at another School - Optional

£163.00 Trip in February - Plus Spending Money of £40.00 - £60.00 Recommended - London Trip to Support GCSE English/History - Optional

£45.00 Trip in January - Plus Spending Money of £10.00 - Theatre Trip to Support GCSE English - Optional

I know it is not compulsory to do a lot of these trips and activities, but I think it would benefit everyone if the trips were planned throughout the year so we were not bombarded in December. It is alot of money to ask for between 1st - 18th December. In my opinion.

Our requests all seemed to come in September!
everyday there would be a message about money for something! £3 for this £10 for that, they weren’t big amounts, but I was £300 in by the end of September and the trips (new ones and known instalments for others were payable in October!)

is it really unreasonable to have all the information at once to know what you need to spend for a child and then make an informed financial decision about which ones to choose!!

im fortunate that I plan my money by mostly paying for things on a credit card (which I always pay off in full) so it gives me a few more weeks to make savings elsewhere to know I’ve got it covered!

in my job if we just sent demands for money continuously our customers would really kick off! We set out our fees for the year ahead and people can either pay upfront or spread the costs over a few months or a year!

the bit that really annoys me is the not knowing what’s coming next!!

celticprincess · 21/12/2023 22:52

I agree that’s it’s badly planned for when they’ve been asking. They should have the trips sorted in September to ask for instalments. And I can’t believe the camping is compulsory. Mine would refuse to go and I wouldn’t make her. Her y6 trip I paid for and she ended up not going down to massive anxiety. So when she went to y7 and was offered their get to know you trip we just didn’t sign up. I couldn’t imagine it being compulsory.

Nonplusultra · 20/12/2023 15:12

Our secondaries have been much better about this than primary. One is private, and they ask for very little extra. And negotiate very good prices for their uniforms and kit, and use the same sports kit across a variety of sports. Art supplies are bought in bulk and we pay a very reasonable amount for an art pack. Aside from the big trips, most of their days out have been hikes or volunteering in the local community.

The other is state and by the time you add up all the extra costs, crested kit for hockey, football, pe, and a hefty “voluntary” contribution, there’s very little in the difference. But they are, at least, considerate in their timing.

It helps that there are payment apps now where you can see all the various activities across different year groups. I think schools forget that even though they know they always collect the deposit for a trip at a certain time of year, for most parents it’s their first time.

Things like Christmas jumper days where you’re expected to fork out a contribution and rustle up a jumper annoy me most. But our primaries also had red day, green day and blue day ffs. And mad hair day, mad socks day, non uniform, fancy dress, cake sales, book fair, Christmas fair, summer fair, sponsored walk, small change collection, kris kringle and a variety of school trips that each entailed a bus ride, entrance fee, and pocket money. They changed the PE uniform twice in my time there.

Missamyp · 20/12/2023 11:05

Yes, I get it.
An endless request for money, even the What's App group has the PTA fundraising. So no escaping.
DP was telling me they raised money for a new playground a few years ago, they installed the equipment, and a child hurt themselves. Now this equipment is off-limits because of the accident.
What a waste.

BlueMediterranean · 20/12/2023 11:01

How lucky you are that the school spends a lot of time and effort organising things for the kids.

Heyhoherewegoagain · 20/12/2023 10:51

The emails all said sorry for the short turnaround but we need X deposit by X December. With about 3-5 days notice.

That they’re saying this shows they know they’ve fucked up. It’s a pity parents can’t band together to say “no actually you’ve fucked up, you’ll have to wait”, but this needs everyone to act together, which won't happen as understandably no one wants their child to miss out.

School admin nonsense was as bad as this when my kids started school 20 years ago-there’s no excuse!

ActDottie · 20/12/2023 10:46

That’s a lot of expensive trips! Everything’s else seems reasonable though.

PastTheGin · 20/12/2023 09:00

I would thank the school for offering lots of great opportunities but also feed back that their timing is absolutely awful! There is usually an events calendar and they should space out cost as much as possible.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 20/12/2023 08:40

Text books should not be charged for.

SamosaChaat · 20/12/2023 08:17

Schools. Damned if they do; damned if they don't!

TripleDaisySummer · 19/12/2023 15:07

My youngest is also Y10 - has has plenty of hand me down uniform and her own new stuff was hoping it would see her out to end of school - they're now talking about changing the uniform and consulting on it - in an area with very low incomes.

TripleDaisySummer · 19/12/2023 15:05

Whiskerson · 19/12/2023 13:23

Why do you have to pay for textbooks? Is this something that has changed since my day? Surely textbooks should be provided?

They don't seem to used text books - many subjects tend towards department booklets which in some subjects they are actively discourage from making additional notes in.

My teens have ended up heavily using revision guides and course books from amazon -come revision time as their own notes are pretty poor. School has upped it game last few years with some on-line sites but it's still worked out as a small fortune for the books.

We've passed some book on -subjects youngest isn't doing - but year after DD2 they're redoing all the syllabuses and even subjects in Wales so bulk of them bar English Literature set texts one will be pretty useless for anyone else.

LuvSmallDogs · 19/12/2023 13:57

ChilledToTheBone · 19/12/2023 11:08

You'd ignore the jumper day. Let your dc go to school in uniform when all their friends are in xmas jumpers. I couldn't let my dc stand out like a sore thumb

DS3 still fits in last year's, DS2 has inherited DS1's one from last year. I asked DS1 if he wanted a new one, and he said no as you only wear it for a bit and they've been learning about fast fashion and what it does to the environment at school.

DS1 just went to school in his own clothes and a Santa hat instead.

LuvSmallDogs · 19/12/2023 13:53

I was quite disheartened at my kids' school Xmas fayre.

The prices were awful. There was a professional baker selling cupcakes £3+ each and expensive food and coffee vans rather than cheap multipack cupcakes or homemade ones and instant coffee or split multipacks of cans/water. To buy an ornament the teacher thinks my child made (they didn't want to ruin them with names, as though anyone but relatives would buy them) was £3.50. No bric a brac, but stalls selling brand new books and toys at full price. It's a lot when you have 3 kids all wanting things, and few cheap options. I won't be going again.

This was in an area with a lot of people on low income and lots of kids on FSM.

ohfook · 19/12/2023 13:45

I'm so surprised by this. The authority I work in are having a huge drive on 'poverty proofing'. Basically an auditor was sent to every school to ensure they aren't accidentally placing any further financial burden on parents. Even things like sending one of those bears home for the weekend was included because that puts pressure on parents to do something that weekend and print out pictures - both of which cost money.

I'd assumed given the current economic climate, that everywhere was the same but I'm really disappointed to hear that's not the case at all.

gerispringer · 19/12/2023 13:45

I suppose you’d rather your kids didn’t do cooking or woodwork or go on any trips that cost extra. My yr11 GD hasn’t been on a single school trip in secondary, the one she was offered was a history trip and it was oversubscribed so she didn’t get to go on it. One of the reasons schools are constantly badgering parents for money is that they are underfunded by our government.

listsandbudgets · 19/12/2023 13:43

@Notchangingnameagain I think that's what DS's school have been trying to avoid. We give them £3 a term and they cover all the oil, vinegar, herbs and spices, milk, flour, baking powder etc. etc.

We have to send the substansial stuff in still but not having to race about hunting for a teaspoon of ground coriander is a God send!

PolizeiobermeisterWache · 19/12/2023 13:41

That's a lot of trips. Neither of my DCs ever went on an optional fun holiday trip- abroad or skiing or theme park. They went on curriculum related outings -theatre/ museum/ spiritual away day (!) etc ... I don't recall ever paying more than £20 a trip in primary or secondary- except once, in Yr6. There was a 3 night residential which 99% of children went on and they were all strongly encouraged to go as a team building and personal development type trip. And we paid in instalments over the preceding months.

Notchangingnameagain · 19/12/2023 13:39

@listsandbudgets I hadn't even included the cooking costs...... Wow! Luckily I have had most things in the cupboard. Thank you dried yeast dated 2000! Some of these receipes require parents to spend ££££ if they don't happen to have the ingrediants already or have to buy a whole pack of something for a small amount. Extortion.

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LBFseBrom · 19/12/2023 13:36

Presumably they don't have to go on every residential trip, may not even want to.

What on earth is 'team building'? I'd have thought, if anything, that was something done in school and not costly.

Everything else seems quite normal and I don't suppose you have to pay all in one go.

Whiskerson · 19/12/2023 13:35

I think that's bloody awful that schools aren't providing hard copies yet expect pupils to have them! Of course they need to make notes in literature texts - how unfair on less well-off pupils. Anyway, sorry to derail.

greenacrylicpaint · 19/12/2023 13:34

at my dc school the text books are provided by the school (library)
but reading books, exercise books has to be purchased.
school trips are published at the start of the school year and payment requests are sent 2 weeks before the planned trip.
we pay about 600 € a year on mandatory extras (not uk). more if dc need a new laptop.