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To just not send in a packed lunch?

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Unpackedlunch · 19/12/2023 09:35

Ds is 3, started at a preschool in September. All fine, except it’s a packed lunch and ds doesn’t eat it. Every time he goes I send him with a sandwich, fruit and crisps and every time he comes back with the crisps eaten and nothing else.

I definitely don’t want to be That Parent and the staff are lovely and I don’t want to risk antagonising them, but I can’t see the point of wasting food. It’s also one more thing to do and I know it doesn’t take long but that’s not the point. Would it really be unreasonable to just not bother? It looks neglectful I know but equally what’s the point of sending in food for the sake of it?

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TicTac80 · 19/12/2023 10:10

My DD doesn't eat sandwiches either (unless they're marmite ones). I had a nightmare trying to figure packed lunches that she would eat (FWIW, I hate wasting food too). So I bought my kids a thermos flask each and just heat up the leftovers from our supper from the night before (assuming that there are no nuts in there). They have that for lunch (if there's enough for me, I'll take some in to heat up at work too). It works well for us as I know they've had a good home-cooked lunch. Would that be worth a shot? At that age, my DS would eat stuff no problem, my daughter was more tricky (although much easier now at 10yrs old!).

It's worth talking to the staff about it - I certainly did in my DD's case and just asked them to prompt her/encourage her to get on and eat! I'd then check in with them at pick up and see what she had eaten (my DC were at a nursery and they kept records of what each kid ate). If I could have got her to eat crudités and pieces of cheese etc, then I would have done that (but she doesn't) ---> weird child: won't eat sandwiches/salads/cheese/much cold stuff but will eat a veg filled hot meal without an issue.

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Motomum23 · 19/12/2023 10:08

You can't just not send in a lunch. I totally get the waste though. I'm a childminder and one of my little ones was just chucking his sandwich straight onto the floor every day and eating the rest so I suggested mum stopped sending the sandwich (after trying various ways to encourage him to eat it)... he now has a little brioche roll instead of a sandwich which he actually does eat.

1AngelicFruitCake · 19/12/2023 10:07

You say he ‘eats fine at Nursery and at home’ but the whole point of your post is that he doesn’t eat at Nursery and needs a lot of encouragement at home.

He won’t suddenly change when he’s in Reception, he needs to learn to eat independently at home and at school. As is shown by what he’s doing at Nursery, if you aren’t there saying ‘come on eat, eat etc’ then he won’t. Lunches won’t be chaotic, noisy, up and down experiences at Nursery, he’s just not eating and he needs help to do this.

He hasn’t yet learnt to focus on food and eat by himself without an adult telling him to so this will be important to work on, otherwise he’ll start school lacking the independent skills he needs. This year I have a few children like your son who we give extra eating time to and they look completely bewildered when their friends pack up and go, it’s a shame but we’re having to teach them what they haven’t been taught at home.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 19/12/2023 10:05

Unpackedlunch · 19/12/2023 09:45

He isn’t fussy in the slightest and eats most things. It’s more the environment than the food.

So for example he attends a nursery for two days a week and almost always eats everything.

At home, he eats everything but needs encouragement shall we say (reminders - ds, eat your dinner, ds, eat your dinner, DS!)

At preschool where children are up and down and in and out and no reminders, no chance. He’d rather play. So there’s no point going on an exotic food shop and I know this because I’ve tried! It’s just an even more expensive waste of food!

You need to have a word with nursery then and see if they can create a quiet area for him.

My SEN son won't eat in big groups or when there are more fun things to do around because he lacks interoception and if he's busy he will not realise he needs to eat or drink.

It was agreed with school that at lunch times he could have extra time and would be somewhere quiet and they'd work on a routine with him.

You still need to provide food. He can't eat it if he doesn't have the option.

SapatSea · 19/12/2023 10:04

This thread has got to be a nasty joke. The OP knew there would be a pile on.

CecilyP · 19/12/2023 10:03

FloweryName · 19/12/2023 09:37

He will never learn to eat his sandwich at nursery if he isn’t given a
sandwich to eat at nursery.

But if he is not supervised or encouraged to eat it at lunchtime (as seems to be the case) he won’t learn to eat it either. OP, can you have a word with the staff to ask them about what they can do to help.

Tohaveandtohold · 19/12/2023 10:02

You can’t just not send lunch, that’s not how it works. Can you ask him to tell you what he wants.
My DD went through a phase of not eating sandwich and there are lots of either options we tried that are similar and filled with cheese or chicken like croissant, brioche buns, half of a bagel, tacos etc. just a little bit of everything and she’ll eat some.

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 19/12/2023 10:00

You could send things that don't spoil and could be eaten that afternoon or the next day.
Things like apples or mandarins or prepackaged fruit cups. I've had an apple do 3 trips to school and back before being eaten. They're actually one of the DC in questions favourite fruits and they travel well. Crackers, mini packs of dried fruit, mini muffins, cookies could all be eaten fine later. I have a friend who'd put dinner leftovers in her DC lunchbox.

If you haven't yet I'd speak to the staff. They should be sitting down to eat no matter how busy and early years teachers usually make sure kids are eating. There are always kids at our preschool that have to show they've eaten something before they can go off to play and get sent back to sit down and eat some more if they haven't.

BluebellsForest · 19/12/2023 10:00

Unpackedlunch · 19/12/2023 09:51

Well, when I asked on here if I should ask preschool to encourage him to eat the consensus was this was highly unreasonable.

This is my first time with preschool and I don’t really know what is generally expected in terms of independence. I mean, he has food there so I have assumed he’ll eat it if ravenous. It is annoying because it throws the routine out of sync but I genuinely don’t see the point of making a sandwich for it to sit forlornly for three hours for it then to be tossed into a bin!

Have you actually talked to the preschool? That could save you a lot of time and hassle.

DeadbeatYoda · 19/12/2023 10:00

Don't send crisps then. There have been lots of healthier suggestions. I'm not sure why crisps have made themselves so prevalent in kids' packed lunches anyway. My kids are all still alive and I never sent crisps or chocolate in their lunches. Just try lots of things like mini wraps instead of sandwiches, cheese and crackers, chopped veg / fruit.
Sometimes, it helps if we try these foods as snacks at home first. If we get rid of crisps and biscuits from the snack options at home, they get used to having healthier stuff. At 3 years old this is a perfect time to do it.

hangingonfordearlife1 · 19/12/2023 09:59

Unpackedlunch · 19/12/2023 09:51

Could do. I cut it into fours and I’d be fine with him eating some, it’s just the fact it literally hasn’t been so much as sniffed at!

how about using shape cutters to cut it into little bite size pieces? i'd try anything to be honest.

SecondUsername4me · 19/12/2023 09:59

Just put some crackers, slices of cheese, raisins and cucumber slices in a box. If he doesn't graze on it, then he can eat it when he gets home.

EveryKneeShallBow · 19/12/2023 09:59

Nothing to add to previous posts but I want to thank @SleepingStandingUp for the phrase “mother up”. Love it 😊

Unpackedlunch · 19/12/2023 09:57

My time IS important and a lot of it is spend cooking healthy meals - that he eats. It’s that which is key. I suppose it’s a bit like say washing and making a fancy bed if your child refuses to sleep there - it’s pointless and ritualistic.

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Needmorelego · 19/12/2023 09:56

@Unpackedlunch Just a thought....are you wrapping the sandwich up in a way that he doesn't know how to open it.
It could be he eats the crisps because he can open the packet - but he hasn't figured out how to open a zip-lock bag or lunch box.

Unpackedlunch · 19/12/2023 09:56

He’s starving himself @Gillypie23 !

@1AngelicFruitCake he eats fine at nursery and he eats OK at home if you keep on at him.

Right, off now - will return in an hour to all sorts I expect.

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Youcannotbeseriousreally · 19/12/2023 09:56

Unpackedlunch · 19/12/2023 09:53

@Youcannotbeseriousreally i said I don’t like waste, not that I want to subject the royal family to extended torture or something Confused calm down.

Well you just sound selfish tbh. Like your time is more important than anything else ( including if you kid is hungry!)

shearwater2 · 19/12/2023 09:55

They are probably giving them too much for the mid-morning snack and he just isn't hungry.

Unpackedlunch · 19/12/2023 09:55

@crumblingschools this is the problem. If he eats it then at 3, he isn’t hungry for dinner at 5, which sets bedtime back …

@Sunshineclouds11 i know. And some waste is obviously to be expected, but there’s a difference between eating some food and no food. I don’t mind making a dinner and some going in the bin but making a dinner that goes completely untouched is pointless id say (like when I made a stir fry for ds . Never again!)

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Gillypie23 · 19/12/2023 09:55

So your just going to starve him!

1AngelicFruitCake · 19/12/2023 09:55

Talk to the staff and ask for help in encouraging him to eat.
Id be very surprised if lunchtime is as chaotic as you’re making out, the private nursery and then school nursery my children went to, plus my own class, lunch is calm and focused on eating. Choking is a risk so I’d be really surprised if they let children get up and down with ‘too much going on’.

I think it’s likely he struggles with eating, you mention having to remind him a lot at home, he’s not eating at Nursery and you need to help
him before he starts school. Children aren’t going to learn if they don’t practise, he needs to learn to eat at lunchtime, initially with lots of adult support like you give him at home but eventually he could do it himself. At home remind him to eat but not constantly and have the expectation that he’ll sit at the table and at least make a good effort without you doing it for him by telling him a lot e.g. when he starts to get down ‘X you need to finish/try your sandwich so we can do x, y and z’

If any parent didn’t send a child in with a lunch on purpose I’d be flagging it as a safeguarding concern. If you explained the issue as you have here Id think you were trying to avoid addressing the problem and offer you support.

HaPPy8 · 19/12/2023 09:54

Unpackedlunch · 19/12/2023 09:51

Could do. I cut it into fours and I’d be fine with him eating some, it’s just the fact it literally hasn’t been so much as sniffed at!

I was just thinking a smaller portion must be less daunting for him if he’s not a big eater plus also less wasteful for you

crumblingschools · 19/12/2023 09:53

Can he eat it when he comes home and then it won’t be wasted?

Unpackedlunch · 19/12/2023 09:53

@Youcannotbeseriousreally i said I don’t like waste, not that I want to subject the royal family to extended torture or something Confused calm down.

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