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The thought of letting MIL hold my baby angers me

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livelovelasagne · 12/12/2023 13:30

Okay so I'm going to be completely blunt with this. My MIL is a complete know it all, and DH is a total mummy's boy. Our baby is due in early jan and his family are visiting from 8 hours away, travelling via trains, for two weeks (in a hotel of course).
I'm very much a mama bear, we have DS who is 3 and I was just totally on edge letting anyone hold him as a newborn but I managed and was always polite. Currently pregnant with our second, I just can't shake the anger of letting my MIL hold the baby. Because I know for a fact she'll be a total baby hog and do things without my permission while she has me doing everything for her. I have my reasons to dislike her, I've always stood by the no kissing the baby rule. She keeps saying things such as 'I can't wait to kiss the baby's face' as if she's trying to anger me on purpose. She also planned a trip for her, FIL and SIL (both of who are lovely and I can't wait for them to meet baby) in a busy city the day before they come. I just don't think it's safe for them to be in this packed city and travelling the day before they meet the baby, god knows what germs could be picked up. She thinks she knows everything and gives me unsolicited advice all the time and she knows it makes me feel like a bad parent. She's made comments during this pregnancy like 'your bump is tiny I don't know why you complain about being uncomfortabe'. I know I sound totally angry and bitter, but I'm just done and at my wits end with her. The thought of letting her hold my newborn when they visit just shakes me to my core! I've spoken to DH about this and he just thinks I'm being hormonal. But I already know she'll think she owns the baby and gaslight DH into thinking I'm being horrible if I don't let her do certain things such as kiss the baby/ take baby out of my sight. I just want to know if I'm being unreasonable for feeling this way and for any ideas of how I'll be able to combat these negative feelings when she visits.

OP posts:
Bilbymum · 12/12/2023 17:27

Yanbu to being annoyed at MIL for her antagonistic comments and her disrespecting your wishes.
I wonder if many of commenters here are MILs?!? She sounds awful. You come across a bit unforgiving but maybe with good reason/had enough etc - will give you benefit of doubt.
I love my MIL but if she made stupid thoughtless comments and hogged baby and did things I’d asked her not to do (intentionally or not) I’d be pissed off too. Most things do not have a black and white ruling (eg kissing baby) but it’s your wishes and opinions that hold the most weight in this tough post partum time (barring anything immediately harmful)
Husband needs to get on board with you and your feelings to have your back and tell her off when she oversteps boundaries. MIL won’t like it but tough luck. Tell him to grow a pair as you’re likely to have decades more of this otherwise.
Recommend letting smaller / one off comments slide, but if repeated offences (actions or words), it’s husband’s job to keep her in check.
Good luck and all the best with baby :)

Alwaysanotherwine · 12/12/2023 17:26

anything your mil has done or does is a separate issue

your rules alone suggest to me you need support

its not normal or healthy. if you don’t address your level of control, anxiety etc it may be something school picks up on.

If i knew a parent with such strict control i’d be worried about their mental health state

GandalfTheWhite · 12/12/2023 17:25

stillplentyofjunkinthetrunk · 12/12/2023 16:37

OK practical advice of what I think you can do to make life easier
Set some boundary rules - agree them with your husband and expect him to help enforce them (politely)

Things like,

no visitors before...
no visitors between...
no visitors after...
no more than x hours at once
no more than x hours in a day
wash your hands before holding the baby
change your clothes before coming to visit baby if you've been out in the city first
don't visit if you're feeling unwell at all
If mum is too tired all visitors go home, no argument or debate.

agree them with family before they set off

Also make more general rules, 3 to 5 at most think through and discuss the wording things like

Thoughtful visitors bring more food and drink than they consume
Thoughtful visitors leave less work to be done than there was when they arrived
Thoughtful visitors do not give unsolicited advice, or critique the parenting style or decisions of new mums...

Print them out with a big message of " thoughtful visitors are very welcome..."

OP sounds ridiculous enough without all this nonsense you're suggesting

Highlyflavouredgravy · 12/12/2023 17:18

You are absolutely deranged.

Notmetoo · 12/12/2023 17:18

I understand you are probably hormonal but you also sound over anxious, newborns are very resilient as they have their mothers antibodies especially if you breast feed. It's impossible to protect then from all germs.
When I met my GC for the first time I had travelled from another country travelling through busy train stations and underground stations and so had their other set of grandparents. My DD and SiL wouldn't have dreamt of saying we couldn't see them. They were fine.

Worried234 · 12/12/2023 17:14

Lost me at 'Mama Bear'.

Moonwatcher1234 · 12/12/2023 17:11

I think all mums are “mama bears” without feeling the need to become so unreasonable and overbearing. Fair enough not to like your MIL but you sound controlling I’m afraid to say.

Pinkypup · 12/12/2023 17:10

TarkaDalOtter · 12/12/2023 17:06

I would take a deep breath, take a step back and write a list of ‘essential rules’ which are dealbreakers eg no kissing. And on a separate ‘desirable’ list, write your less rational worries eg family meeting up in a city the day before. And then go through the second list with your husband and negotiate a more flexible plan.

Don’t go in all guns blazing. Count to ten before you speak so you can be more calmly assertive. With mil and others.

Explain to your husband why you feel the way you do and try and empathise with at least one of his points. Some give and take helps defuse situations.

Definitely schedule two days at least when you are having other visitors and cannot see them. Whether you do actually have the visitors or not is irrelevant.

Do you trust your son with them? Could you ask them to take him to the cinema or theatre one day?

Buy a nice calendar and cross off each day of their visit at a time. Like a prison sentence ;-)

this is great advice.

my sil can be a bit crazy cuckoo over germs etc and it multiplied by a billion once she had her daughter. Yes we thought she was bat shit crazy, but we did as we were asked as it’s her daughter and she has the right to protect her how she sees fit.

Elfontheshmelf · 12/12/2023 17:10

I think you have to shake a lot of the little comments off to mostly keep the peace, but put your foot down about things that really matter, for example no kissing the baby when they're newborn. I suppose my advice is pick your battles essentially! And ask your DH to support you on the things that you really don't want from MIL too.

Fwiw nobody could hog my baby because I breastfed and he wanted feeding all the time as a baby, and would cry to get back to me when others held him as he just wanted my breasts.

Notmetoo · 12/12/2023 17:10

I have s feeling that when your children grow up and have partners they might be complaining about their mother in law.

TarkaDalOtter · 12/12/2023 17:06

I would take a deep breath, take a step back and write a list of ‘essential rules’ which are dealbreakers eg no kissing. And on a separate ‘desirable’ list, write your less rational worries eg family meeting up in a city the day before. And then go through the second list with your husband and negotiate a more flexible plan.

Don’t go in all guns blazing. Count to ten before you speak so you can be more calmly assertive. With mil and others.

Explain to your husband why you feel the way you do and try and empathise with at least one of his points. Some give and take helps defuse situations.

Definitely schedule two days at least when you are having other visitors and cannot see them. Whether you do actually have the visitors or not is irrelevant.

Do you trust your son with them? Could you ask them to take him to the cinema or theatre one day?

Buy a nice calendar and cross off each day of their visit at a time. Like a prison sentence ;-)

OhComeOnFFS · 12/12/2023 17:05

As soon as someone refers to themselves as Mama Bear I know she's going to be trouble!

Why not treat your MIL exactly how you would like your son's future wife to treat you?

FourteenTog · 12/12/2023 17:05

heldinadream · 12/12/2023 13:36

You know what? Maybe you're hormonal and maybe not, but I just think your DH should have your back and support you because you're growing and birthing his child. End of pretty much.
Sorry if this isn't entirely helpful OP. But DH should be helping you to feel ok bar actually murdering anyone, IYSWIM. IMHO. Good luck.
Probably I'm projecting. So sorry if so.

Agreed!

coconutpie · 12/12/2023 17:05

Wow OP, you're getting such a hard time here Flowers

YANBU. Your MIL's past behaviour has created this issue so you need to tell your DH to get onside and set some boundaries. 2 weeks is way too long. I would not have been up to entertaining ILs with a newborn every day for 2 weeks. So even if the 2 week stay can't be changed, set the boundary that they cannot visit every day. And then set boundaries for the amount of time they can stay for.

Under no circumstances are you to be running around entertaining them, you will be recovering from birth. DH can make them tea or they can bloody get up off their lazy arses and make tea themselves.

Also, don't let her hog the baby. You have to be very firm here. And no kissing on baby's face - that's basic newborn advice. It's RSV season so especially at this time of year, no kissing unless you are the main caregiver and that includes kissing baby's hands since a baby then will stick their hands in their mouth. Good luck, I think you'll need it. Firm boundaries are a must if you are to endure this 2 week visit.

JANEY205 · 12/12/2023 17:04

livelovelasagne · 12/12/2023 14:22

@brunettemic he hasn't attended nursery since I've finished working just to save some extra money for the baby and because this pregnancy is high risk. We do activities at home in terms of learning as I worked in a nursery before mat leave, but in terms of germs, he isn't exposed to any such as if you were thinking nursery/ school. Just the every day stuff that I'm exposed to as well 😂

Guessing your DH is still working tho? I have the same due date as you and my husband brought the flu home last week! We have all been really unwell. Germs are everywhere this time of year unfortunately.

CurlewKate · 12/12/2023 17:04

On Mumsnet, "mummy's boy" usually means a man who actually likes his mother.

Newhere5 · 12/12/2023 17:02

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
well said

jammysocks · 12/12/2023 17:02

I think your getting slated here OP.

Ok I do think your hormones are running wild. I get it, if you don't like each other anyway that's going to set the tone regarding your kids.

But I think you need to try and relax a little. Sounds like they live far away so you don't see them all the time.

Maybe suggest a shorter visit and then you visit then for a short visit later too.

Be kind to yourself. But also, without trying to sound like a bitch, calling yourself a mama bear and your son a mummy's boy is a bit silly. As in that case your son will be a mummy's boy and your mil is also a mama bear.

I'm going to say that's the hormones though.

Make it a shorter visit. Prefably after your milk comes in, as that's a hormonal roller coaster!

Zebedee55 · 12/12/2023 17:01

JANEY205 · 12/12/2023 17:00

This would make most people not want to visit at all. It comes across so rude! Asking people to wash hands and not kiss baby is fine, setting visiting hours is fine. Being passive aggressive and making a print out of ‘thoughtful guests do’ makes you look like an ass when family are visiting you. Good grief.

Jeez, yes, it’s a baby, No need for us this fuss 🙄

LuckySantangelo35 · 12/12/2023 17:01

@livelovelasagne

so it’s ok for you to be a complete “ mama bear”
over your son but not ok for your husband to be a “mummy’s boy”?! Is that not a bit hypocritical? How would you feel if one day some woman called your son a “mummy’s boy”?

LadyofLaundry88 · 12/12/2023 17:01

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 12/12/2023 13:41

You sound like you have irrational anxiety over your baby’s health. It’s not normal to have a ‘no kissing the baby’ rule and it’s not normal to worry about people bringing germs because they have gone to a big city before visiting.

I think you need to address this before worrying about your mil because it is no fun for any child to be brought up in that environment.

Educate yourself: https://www.lullabytrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/THANKS-Poster.pdf

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https://www.lullabytrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/THANKS-Poster.pdf

JANEY205 · 12/12/2023 17:00

stillplentyofjunkinthetrunk · 12/12/2023 16:37

OK practical advice of what I think you can do to make life easier
Set some boundary rules - agree them with your husband and expect him to help enforce them (politely)

Things like,

no visitors before...
no visitors between...
no visitors after...
no more than x hours at once
no more than x hours in a day
wash your hands before holding the baby
change your clothes before coming to visit baby if you've been out in the city first
don't visit if you're feeling unwell at all
If mum is too tired all visitors go home, no argument or debate.

agree them with family before they set off

Also make more general rules, 3 to 5 at most think through and discuss the wording things like

Thoughtful visitors bring more food and drink than they consume
Thoughtful visitors leave less work to be done than there was when they arrived
Thoughtful visitors do not give unsolicited advice, or critique the parenting style or decisions of new mums...

Print them out with a big message of " thoughtful visitors are very welcome..."

This would make most people not want to visit at all. It comes across so rude! Asking people to wash hands and not kiss baby is fine, setting visiting hours is fine. Being passive aggressive and making a print out of ‘thoughtful guests do’ makes you look like an ass when family are visiting you. Good grief.

Zebedee55 · 12/12/2023 17:00

You sound like hard work. Your baby will meet a lot of people. Lighten up.

coolkatt · 12/12/2023 16:57

wow. you sound like hard work.
the amount of people on here who have absolutely no one in their lives and their kids don't have grandparents anymore.
thank your lucky stars your kids have family who love them and want to see them.
you are defo hormonal but unreasonably so.
having a rage on due to your mil holding your baby is not normal. the fear of germs is extreme. all you have to say is wash your hands. sure u won't even need to say it.
i agree with you about the kissing on the face, i don't like that either.

Mumofoneandone · 12/12/2023 16:56

Certainly wouldn't have them around in the first few weeks - you need your space.
Fuss needs to be made over the 3yo and less so the baby to ensure he doesn't feel left out.

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