To feel sad my friend got Botox?

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This thread is a zombie - it's 18 months old.

I wouldn't feel depressed about this any more than depressed about my friend getting an anti-ageing facial or highlights or invisalign. Yes I would be sad if they got really extreme plastic surgery but that's completely different to having any small cosmetic treatment.

Baby Botox is the way to go, not full on frozen , doesn’t look good , but will wear off eventually

You don’t have to dress it up as sadness. You can just be judgemental. It’s anonymous. Why does it matter?

You might not like the effect but Botox has been injected into millions and millions of people for over 35 years. The amount that can be safely injected into children with spasticity in their limbs is up to 340 units. The average dose to treat an adult’s forehead is less than 30 units- or ten times less. It’s an incredibly safe treatment. The worst that happens if you get genuine Botox is a temporarily wonky face.

Hasn’t Botox been around for yonks in terms of medical use?

I worry about my friends injecting poison into their heads when the long term effects cannot have been properly tested.

Clearly some choices are not good for women. Like facilitating fathers not taking flexibility at work or buying in to the male gaze.

Same here @MyUsernameIsBetterThanYours time to get Sunday dinner cracking!

@HotGirlInHell

”So only some women are choosing the right kind of freedoms?

Got it.”

I mean in theory it surely has to be a correct statement to make that some choices made by individual women for themselves can contribute to something that is not good for women overall? You can argue over which choices are the ones that are ‘right’ or not, but surely you can’t argue that all choices are right just because a woman has freely made them?

Or maybe I’m misunderstanding you.

Personally, in the overall scheme of things we need to worry about as women, Botox isn’t near the top, which is why I wouldn’t comment to a friend who got it and probably isn’t worth me debating online for half a day either!

Have a nice evening.

Exactly @notlucreziaborgia 🙄🙄🙄

Instead of doing what ‘the patriarchy’ wants you to do, even if it is actually what you want to do, you should do what a branch of feminism wants you to do. Swapping one master for another then.

So only some women are choosing the right kind of freedoms?

Got it.

You are very much mistaken if you think these are the freedoms that feminism was fighting for.

Although I'm sure the patriarchy is thrilled that you do.

A choice is not a feminist choice just because it was made by a woman.

Moaning? Definitely no moaning from me, just concern over damaging toxic beauty standards.
I've had botox for medical reasons. I'm fully aware of what it is and what it does (short term). If anything, your argument shows that you don't know the basics of it.
A couple of decades is no where near long enough to know the potential long term effects of it. Especially the unregulated stuff that is given by unqualified people in salons etc.

Botox isn't a feminist issue. Just as many men do it too. The frozen look is too much. It won't last. The only comment I ever get was you look well. Plus no more tension headaches.

Botox lasts about 16 weeks. And has been around for a couple of decades.

What do you imagine is going to come out once it 'wears off'?

You're moaning about something you don't even know the basics of.

Or we can all do whatever the fuck we want with our own bodies. Given that we spent generations fighting for that type of freedom.

It's a bit weird to be sad about one woman's individual decison. Sad generally that we live in an ageist, sexist world where appearance makes a difference to how we are accepted. But sad about one woman's gesture acknowledging this? Odd.

YANBU
I don’t get this current trend for changing your appearance. I suspect it’s more common now because camera filters mean we’re more used to seeing ourselves all smoothed out.

A friend of mine did the same and completely lost her spark. She has focused so much on her perceived flaws and seeking perfection that she has lost the parts that those around her love.

It is sad, and no amount of posters saying otherwise will make me believe this fad is anything other than more pressure on women to reach more and more unreasonable expectations on their looks, and a weird need to hide signs of normal aging.

I predict in a few years we’ll look back at this period of lip fillers, Botox and modifying healthy body parts in an uncomfortable, WTF were we thinking kind of way. Like 80s perms but with more scope for permanent and irreversible damage.

We should celebrate aging as it's a privilege that not everyone is afforded. It's inevitable. Ageing naturally is not ugly, people (mainly women) have been fed this idea for years. We have been made to believe our worth is based on our appearance and we're less of a woman if we have a few wrinkles and some grey hair.

I don't disagree with that. It's a shame it's not as 'acceptable' for women to age as men. Though I don't blame people for trying a bit of botox in delaying the inevitable. It's not all frozen, immobile foreheads but can also give a fresh, less tired look.

Why 'should' we celebrate aging? I don't fucking want to look older, get older, act older. I'm happy sticking where I am thanks.

Why must we do this disapproving sanctimonious act; fuck it, it's your face and body, do whatever the hell you want with it!

We should celebrate aging as it's a privilege that not everyone is afforded. It's inevitable. Ageing naturally is not ugly, people (mainly women) have been fed this idea for years. We have been made to believe our worth is based on our appearance and we're less of a woman if we have a few wrinkles and some grey hair.
Pumping our bodies full of unregulated, toxic chemicals for "good feels" to conform to the toxic beauty standards of today, is not something that we should be happy with.

The unknown long term effects of these products is a worry and I often wonder of the issues that they will cause in the next few decades, when they start to wear off.

The only downside about botox is that it's not without risk. Otherwise it's a personal choice. I think it's obvious to others you've had it done if you go for the frozen, rather than a more natural, look though.

So I dyed it back to brown. For her but also for us, as I didn't want anything, no matter how tiny and insignificant, to intrude on her enjoyment of our relationship and her affection for me and ALL she loved about me.

That's really strange It has the same creepy tone as the blurb in the OP about the 'warm smile'. I agree with a pp that it almost sounds like OP is in love with the friend.