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An attendance meeting at school for 5 days off since September

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Am898 · 05/12/2023 10:27

DD is 5. Since September she's had 5 authorised sick days off with today being one of them. This has been spread out for weeks and been sickness bug etc she's only had 2 days off in a row for a nasty sickness bug and the other 3 days she's not well enough to be in school.

Schools just rang me and said I need to book an attendance meeting as her attendance is too low now.. aibu to think this is a bit daft.. she's 5 years old and been off sick a few times, what does an attendance meeting entail 🤔

She's always at school on time and every time she has been sick it's been authorised as I've rang the office straight away so I'm feeling a bit confused now

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HelenTherese2 · 06/12/2023 10:28

Schools have to do this due to appalling attendance since covid. Sickness is now unauthorised as parents are using it as an excuse. Attendance which falls below 90% has to be investigated.

Don’t blame the school. They have to do this now. Blame the lazy parents who don’t want to leave the house to take their children to school.

Strictlymad · 06/12/2023 10:04

Emrie · 06/12/2023 07:08

Kids get around 12 colds a year. I can’t keep her off for a cold.
I have a friend whose child had cancer as a baby. I know she is immunosuppressed so we don’t see her when we have a cold etc.

ive done a overnight stay with a 8 month old with RSV so I no how it can impact kids.
im not saying they go with a temp of 39+

a runny nose is not a reason to stay at home.

a cough- I check their throat, Covid test them and if bad I’ll listen to their chest.
temp of 37-38 can be managed with calpol

But maybe if we as a nation changed our attitude to colds and thought more how we acted in the pandemic (I’m not saying lockdown) then kids wouldn’t get 12 colds a year, I bet they didn’t get 12 during lockdown. Then there would be a lot less circulating and eventually would mean less time off sick all together!

Rouleur · 06/12/2023 09:54

RainbowNinja77 · 06/12/2023 08:22

Schools are under intense pressure from Ofsted to show they are doing something about poor attendance. The meeting will be minimal and will tick a box to show Ofsted they are doing something.

So if it's just a tick box exercise why exactly should parents take time off work to play along? My company has a meeting policy which is basically "Do you really need to hold this meeting? Could you be doing something more useful and productive instead?" These attendance meetings would be a hard fail on that test.

charlotte361 · 06/12/2023 08:38

I would imagine it is more that it is 4 separate occasions in one term rather than the number of sick days

Desecratedcoconut · 06/12/2023 08:30

So, parents should comply with the charade - and if they don't....there will be long term issues?

RainbowNinja77 · 06/12/2023 08:22

Schools are under intense pressure from Ofsted to show they are doing something about poor attendance. The meeting will be minimal and will tick a box to show Ofsted they are doing something.

ticktickticktickBOOM · 06/12/2023 08:17

Mookie81 · 05/12/2023 22:25

Why can't you use Google and differentiate between schools being forced to do this by the powers that be and choosing to do this crap? 🙄

Schools are not forced, they are advised and even though they are given a large variety of ideas by Ofsted to deal with attendance they always deal with it the same way - heavyhandedly. May be we should let Ofsted know this at the next inspection using our 'parents voice'.

Desecratedcoconut · 06/12/2023 08:14

If you don't engage it will cause more issues long term.

Oh yeah, such as?

Peablockfeathers · 06/12/2023 08:13

Pottedpalm · 06/12/2023 08:05

Me too.
You are the parent. If you decide your vomiting child stays at home, then they do. It’s called parenting, and common sense. You have already given reasons for absence to the school and you are fully aware of the relevant policies. What is the point of taking an unwell child to school, only for the school to call you back when they have spread the bug?
Progress won’t be harmed by that number of days off; most stuff is repeated ad nauseam at that age.

Exactly. I'm wondering if the 'issues' down the line would be the school claiming the parent was failing to engage, even though they have clearly said why they were off. I get how absence management is a part of safeguarding and can help build a picture and a pattern, but surely a parent sadly intent on harm would just play along in many cases anyway, i don't see it as a reason to disbelieve/pester parents who have said their children were genuinely off sick. I think not just from my experience the extent schools push explains why some parents with very poorly children I've cared for get so upset and stressed by it, when really it shouldn't be something they're having to worry about at all.

Pottedpalm · 06/12/2023 08:05

Peablockfeathers · 06/12/2023 07:23

If you don't engage it will cause more issues long term.

Curious as to what issues these are?

Me too.
You are the parent. If you decide your vomiting child stays at home, then they do. It’s called parenting, and common sense. You have already given reasons for absence to the school and you are fully aware of the relevant policies. What is the point of taking an unwell child to school, only for the school to call you back when they have spread the bug?
Progress won’t be harmed by that number of days off; most stuff is repeated ad nauseam at that age.

PeloFan91 · 06/12/2023 07:58

School are just doing their duty to follow up on absence, as 5 days in one term will have brought her overall percentage down a fair bit. They have to check as some children will be kept off of school for unnecessary reasons. Schools are under a lot of pressure when it comes to attendance and have to show they’re doing all they can to make sure that those able to be in school are there. Much better for you to engage with it, will be a quick meeting. They won’t want to be there longer than necessary!

Really wouldn’t advise going down the route of being deliberately difficult as some have suggested. It won’t change the policy and it’ll just make life harder for those who have to enforce it when they have many other things to do. Plus, you want to build good relationships with the school at this early stage, not break them down.

LeedsMum87 · 06/12/2023 07:51

Ever had to do a ‘back to work’ interview for a couple of days off sick from work? Sounds like a similar thing. Just a formality to make sure they’ve completed their admin.

Peablockfeathers · 06/12/2023 07:23

If you don't engage it will cause more issues long term.

Curious as to what issues these are?

avocadotofu · 06/12/2023 07:11

There is a big push around attendance at the moment at the behest of the government and it is now something ofsted will look at. I'm a teacher and a parent of a reception child who has been ill a lot. This is one of the worst terms for illness especially for little ones. At my school we get in touch and arrange meeting with families when their child's attendance is below 95% which 5 days is. I would attend the meeting and simply explain what's going on. If you don't engage it will cause more issues long term.

Emrie · 06/12/2023 07:08

Strictlymad · 05/12/2023 22:22

It’s people like you who are the cause of my currently sitting next to my sons beside watching him being stuck with needles for the 7th time in 14 months. Please consider how your actions impact vulnerable children.

Kids get around 12 colds a year. I can’t keep her off for a cold.
I have a friend whose child had cancer as a baby. I know she is immunosuppressed so we don’t see her when we have a cold etc.

ive done a overnight stay with a 8 month old with RSV so I no how it can impact kids.
im not saying they go with a temp of 39+

a runny nose is not a reason to stay at home.

a cough- I check their throat, Covid test them and if bad I’ll listen to their chest.
temp of 37-38 can be managed with calpol

Emrie · 06/12/2023 07:03

ReadingSoManyThreads · 05/12/2023 22:43

Just curious as to why you had children when you don't want to care for them when they're ill? You won't lose your job from occasionally having to tend to your sick child.

would have to take the day as sick
3 occasions of sick n I am pulled into a attendance meeting
5 occasions n its disciplinary meeting with potential dismissal.
this isn’t per year but throughout the whole period of employment

Emrie · 06/12/2023 07:01

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Hercisback · 06/12/2023 06:36

Not being funny, but NOT all schools do it in this exact fashion...

No schools have the exact same policy for every scenario. However the government has attendance targets and schools have to be shown to be doing something about low attendance.

School barely know this child and family, so it's right to set up a meeting and see if there is anything the school can do to support attendance. It might just be a run of bad luck re illness, or there might be something more going on. A face to face meeting means you can read body language too, over the phone this is harder.

OPs school are doing nothing out of the ordinary. They're proactively monitoring attendance. If just bad luck, then their attendance percentage should rise in the rest of the year, but schools don't know either way.

Attendance is important. Students with under 90% attendance score an average of one grade lower than those who are over 90%.

Geordiebabe85 · 06/12/2023 06:27

School age is the term AFTER turning 5. So if she was 5 3 weeks ago she doesn't need to be in school until January.

Peablockfeathers · 06/12/2023 05:35

HideTheCroissants · 05/12/2023 21:46

@Peablockfeathers You have (intentionally?) misunderstood that we WANTED to take the child off roll. We did NOT want that - the child loved being in school when they were able. That was suggested by the family to get the LEA off their back. They had no issue with us and we had no issue with them. The doctors had said he should be able to attend school as and when he felt able and for that reason the EHCP was refused (again NOT by us but by the LEA).

The school should have highlighted the relevant policy to the LEA, it'shonedyly deplorable.

PeloMom · 06/12/2023 05:08

Oh dear! My kid has spent about 15 odd days at home due to various bugs he picked up at school since September 🤦🏻‍♀️. Thankfully he isn’t 5 for another couple of months.

Hereforaglance · 06/12/2023 02:11

If you have nothing to hide where is the problem in a meeting

ReadingSoManyThreads · 05/12/2023 22:43

Emrie · 05/12/2023 20:19

I’d attend the meeting and ask why when absences were authorised you have been called in.
5 absences in 3 months does seem a lot tho.

my lg has had one day off in 2 years and that was due to her sister been in hospital.
when she had a bad cold was calpol and into school. I can’t just take the day off work and have her at home

Just curious as to why you had children when you don't want to care for them when they're ill? You won't lose your job from occasionally having to tend to your sick child.

PollyPut · 05/12/2023 22:38

Am898 · 05/12/2023 19:45

😂

I definitely don't keep my child off for the sake of it. I care for DM full time, I NEED her in school!

She had 2 continuous days off for a nasty bug with diarrhoea and vomiting. Today off for a high temp and earache, 2 separate days off previously 1 for a temp without being sick and another as she had been sick over the weekend so had to be off due to the 48h rule.. I'm definitely not keeping her off without trying to take her in, school authorised all these absences (even today's!) She's NEVER been late to school either

I'm going to email and ask if they can ring me if they feel it is a problem they really need to solve but I believe her absences are reasonable and authorised so I don't wish to attend a meeting

Don't tell them you don't wish to attend the meeting. This is really not a good way to go; you will be labelled awkward and it's not going to help your case.

In this situation I would email again and write a list of the dates and what each absence was for. If they really want a meeting I would show willing and go.

PollyPut · 05/12/2023 22:33

HBZ287 · 05/12/2023 10:32

What’s her attendance percentage? Just politely decline if you don’t feel it’s worth it. Sounds like they are doing a tick box exercise.

There have been about 11 weeks of term so far and she's had one week off so it's probably just above 90%.

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