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Hurt that teenaged son won’t celebrate Christmas with us

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Superaline991 · 04/12/2023 13:36

DH and his ex have a 19 year old son, I have known him since he was a little boy (off topic: no I was not OW and did not break up their marriage so trolls back off!). Every year since he was 7 his mother and stepdad have taken them away to his relatives and her relatives, so for 12 odd years we have not celebrated Christmas together. DH and I have young children and they have always expressed their wish to big brother around to open presents etc… this year we asked DSS to come to us for Christmas seeing he is now at uni and a young adult, we thought he might want to do that as he now has his own free will (not dictated by his mother). But he is choosing to go back “home”, and said he’s only available to spend time with us 26th-30th December. Seeing we live in Spain (DH is Spanish, but DSS lives in the UK) those days are really expensive to travel out here (£400) even with Ryanair. More than we can actually afford really. Too expensive to justify only 4 days with us, of which two are barely full days. We asked him to come on 24th and leaves 30th or he comes on 26th and leaves on the 1st or 2nd. He would like to spend Christmas with the other side of the family and New Years with his mate. Naturally we feel quite low on the priority list and quite hurt by it.

whilst he was growing up, we always made a point we wanted him to spend Christmas and every holiday with us, we would fly him over and when younger DH would fly over to pick him up, DH always flew over every time he got a chance to (ie long weekends, birthdays etc). DH made a real effort to stay in touch. No fault divorce, grew apart, didn’t love each other anymore etc…
DH and ex used to live in Spain together but post divorce ex wanted to be close to family so asked to move from Spain.

aibu to feel DSS doesn’t really consider us his real family as he now has got a chance to spend Christmas with us but chooses not to.

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PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 05/12/2023 12:18

Superaline991 · 05/12/2023 10:13

Because he has exams after new years and need to revise, he’s very studious. He said after new years won’t work as he will literally sit in his room 6 hours a day.

no I did not invent the inconvenience. Seems a lot of posters just want to be nasty for the sake of it

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A day has 24 hours...
6 hours of studying, about 7-8 hours of sleeping. That would leave 10 to 11 hours for shared activities!

It doesn´t seem too bad to me.
As for him now "having free will not dictated by his mother":
You surely agree that he has free will that should not be dictated by his father or stepmother, don´t you?

I would strongly encourage you to remember this.
Do not try to guilt-trip or shame him.

His father made the choice (whether justified and beneficial to his son or not) to let his mother take him back to her home country and away from Spain.

These decisions have consequences. And his father, half-siblings and you have to accept that.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 05/12/2023 12:08

Superaline991 · 04/12/2023 13:47

DH has his extended family in Spain and on those days we are also travelling from main city to the countryside, if DSS comes on 26th, it means we need to drive 4 hours to pick him up and 4 hours to the relatives’ home, so would only have 27th and 28th together, then 29th spend 8 hours driving back and forth… £400 is a lot of money, it’s normally what we pay for our family of four on a Ryanair flight somewhere else. It’s half of our budget to go travelling. Maybe it doesn’t seem a lot for some, but for us is a lot. DH just can’t justify spending this much on 1 person and only two full days during Christmas. In the past DH has booked Ryanair tickets to go see his son, it was usually around £70-80 return for a long weekend. Same for the summer holidays when he came to see us.

Then if you don't think it's worth it then, fly him over to see you in January instead?

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 05/12/2023 12:07

I think it's unrealistic to think a 19 year old will want to be with parents for new year.

My advice if you want him there for new year /longer is to allow him to bring a friend or more if you have space so that they can have a Spanish night out for new years (if you live somewhere fun). Maybe try this for Easter?

Xmas in Spain probably wouldn't 'feel' like Xmas for him I'm afraid.

coldcrossbun · 05/12/2023 12:01

He is trying his best to split his Xmas between both his parents, actually spending less time with his mum than with you. And you want him to come to you for longer and thus not spend any time at Xmas with her at all - can't you see how she'd be hurt by this?

Do you have any proposals where he can see both parents other than what he's proposing? And not one where he doesn't get to see his mates either - he's 19, of course he wants to spend New Years with them.

YABVU to make it all about you and your hurt. It's not his fault his parents are divorced and live in different countries. That's hard enough for him, don't make it harder with a guilt trip.

AIstolemylunch · 05/12/2023 11:50

you're asking way too much. he's only been at univesity one term and it still getting used to it. of course he wants to go home and have a normal, familiar christmas break where all his friends he wants to catch up with are and all his stuff is. Poor kid being guilted like this.

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 05/12/2023 11:50

He’s just started uni, of course he wants to celebrate Christmas where he considers home. He is making an effort to come to you over Christmas time, just not on the actual day.

Kwasi · 05/12/2023 11:47

From your comments, OP, it sounds like it’s more about saving money by flying DSS to Spain before Christmas than it is about having him with you and your family for Christmas Day.

My MIL flies to Spain regularly. She can’t get there and back for £70 since Covid. £200 is a cheap return flight these days.

Does his mum have other kids like you do? Maybe he wants to spend time with them. Or maybe he doesn’t want his mum to be without her only child on Christmas Day.

I think YABU.

Topsyturvy78 · 05/12/2023 11:45

I don't know what all the fuss is about Christmas day. If he already had plans to be with his mum. Just celebrate on boxing day instead.

Pugdays · 05/12/2023 11:44

He's 19
Your asking to much
Teenagers want to do their own things
Your best bet is offering him flights whenever he is free ,maybe in the summer and offer to pay for a girlfriend as well.
There won't be as much to do in the cold .
Your thinking about what u want ,not about what he wants
I've 4 teens / young adults,and it is about fitting in their life when they have space for you ...that's just how is ..we'll unless your the demanding/ push them away type .

eujk · 05/12/2023 11:38

Gymmum82 · 05/12/2023 08:15

Christmas isn’t a big deal in Spain. None of my Spanish friends/colleagues go home for it. They all go home for the kings day in January. That’s when the celebration is.
The kid wants to see his mum, his dad and his friends. If xmas flights are too expensive and you are going to see grandad get him to come in January and have a second xmas if you will.
When I was a kid we would often have 2 or 3 separate xmas days with various family members as children we thought this was brilliant

Christmas eve is very big in Spain! Families meet on Christmas day too. No way I'd say "Christmas isn't a big deal in Spain ".

I understand some Spaniards fly for día de Reyes because flights are cheaper.

sunglassesonthetable · 05/12/2023 11:38

In my opinion, being hurt by a teenage child's Christmas decisions is unfair. Back off and say whatever he decides is fine-you'll fit in. And then have a quiet private weep.

This

porridgeisbae · 05/12/2023 11:32

He wants to spend time with his mum, time with you, and time with his friend (what teens/20s person wants to spend new year's with their dad and step mum when they can spend it with friends? = virtually none.)

He's doing nothing wrong @Superaline991 .

When I was 19, my first year away from home, I didn't even bother coming home, to anyone. Grin Just chilled out with mates on Xmas day.

Of course it's harder to see SS because you live abroad- if you want to see him more, maybe move to the UK?

But don't be resentful because he's doing nothing wrong, just managing the demands of being a child of divorced parents and a young person with his own life.

NoTouch · 05/12/2023 11:27

Superaline991 · 05/12/2023 10:13

Because he has exams after new years and need to revise, he’s very studious. He said after new years won’t work as he will literally sit in his room 6 hours a day.

no I did not invent the inconvenience. Seems a lot of posters just want to be nasty for the sake of it

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If he has exams in the new year that are key for his future him and those exams need to be prioritised above spending lots of time travelling/visiting any family abroad over Christmas.

He will be pressured enough without any guilt trips, I would take all pressure off him and let him decide if and when he can come and if you/dh want to see him you/dh need to fit around that. If he is feeling any pressure for exams your dh should be telling him to stay put and perhaps visit him to support him for a couple of days instead.

NeonSoda · 05/12/2023 11:24

Superaline991 · 04/12/2023 13:47

DH has his extended family in Spain and on those days we are also travelling from main city to the countryside, if DSS comes on 26th, it means we need to drive 4 hours to pick him up and 4 hours to the relatives’ home, so would only have 27th and 28th together, then 29th spend 8 hours driving back and forth… £400 is a lot of money, it’s normally what we pay for our family of four on a Ryanair flight somewhere else. It’s half of our budget to go travelling. Maybe it doesn’t seem a lot for some, but for us is a lot. DH just can’t justify spending this much on 1 person and only two full days during Christmas. In the past DH has booked Ryanair tickets to go see his son, it was usually around £70-80 return for a long weekend. Same for the summer holidays when he came to see us.

Ok, so don't travel to the countryside. Spend your break between Christmas and New Year in the city. You talk about doing something different this Christmas, but you don't seem to be willing to do something different yourself.

You are prioritising your relatives in the countryside over your partner's son.

Also - he's 19. Tell him that you only have X amount of money for the flight tickets. If he chooses to come before Christmas then that money covers all of it. If he chooses to come between Christmas and New Year then he'll have to cover some of the cost.

CurlewKate · 05/12/2023 11:22

In my opinion, being hurt by a teenage child's Christmas decisions is unfair. Back off and say whatever he decides is fine-you'll fit in. And then have a quiet private weep.

GreatGateauxsby · 05/12/2023 11:19

Sirzy · 04/12/2023 13:38

Pay for the flights and enjoy the time with him. Don’t guilt him into things.

This.

make it nice organise some fun things for him and the kids. Enjoy the time together

horseyhorsey17 · 05/12/2023 11:15

£400 isn't that much, not if you really wanted to see him (which you obviously don't really, even though you expect him to travel all the way to Spain to see you on your schedule). He's spending time with his mum on Xmas Day, then you for Boxing Day, then his mates for New Year's - this is entirely normal so stop feeling performatively 'hurt' by it. I grew up as part of a blended family and this sort of step-parent microaggression is annoying AF. He's spending time with you over Christmas, enjoy it instead of whinging that it doesn't fit in with the exact schedule you wanted.

EmmaEmerald · 05/12/2023 11:03

OP interesting you didn't mention grandpa's illness in your first post!

Is the 19 year old close to his grandfather?

You also say this "But it seems the dates he offers are not confirmed, so he may not even want to come for four days. He said he’ll confirm later. Besides DH and I still need to discuss about finances."

Have you told him about the finances and practicalities? This may impact on everyone's choices.

It might be better to just see him another time.

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/12/2023 11:02

Sounds like it’s all too much effort for you. Do you actually want to see him?

similarminimer · 05/12/2023 11:00

If you can afford him to come for 6 days, by definitiin you can afford him to comw foe 4 days doe the same cost.

You're just saying that you are prepared to pay £2.78 per hour for his company but cant stretch to £4.16. So he knows his worth...

MeMySonAnd1 · 05/12/2023 10:59

Erm… don’t take it personally, he is an adult now, with his own life and plans, Christmas is just a date, you can enjoy time together at any other time.

Don’t either think he values your family less than his mum’s family. I raised my son alone and have the same problem, he fits me in between his friends, work and any random friend he made over the holidays.

Having this with DS has also remind me of my experience with my own parents, I live hours away from my family and, I have lots of very good friends I love to catch up with when I visit and my mother always get resentful that I don’t want to spend all the time so I am trying not to be like my mum.

And also, if your DSS has been living abroad all the time, he won’t have the same strong link with his grandparents as if he would have if he had been seeing them twice a week for dinner. All my son’s grandparents get resentful from time to time for what they think is lack of interest from DS but, at the end of the day, he hardly knows them, they do not have much history together. We even have a granny demanding weekly letters and immediate response to her emails. My son doesn’t even check his emails, he doesn’t know where his phone is a lot of the time and even if he did, he wouldn’t be pushed to provide such intense level of contact.

SpareHeirOverThere · 05/12/2023 10:55

He's an adult now with lots of commitments, just like you. He sounds not sure that he can make it immediately after Christmas, and you need to prioritise Grandpa.

So rather than insist on a visit at Christmas - which does not seem to work for any of you -arrange it for another time of the year. At his Easter break, perhaps, or the start of summer, or a long weekend anytime he can fit it in. You won't need to rush off to relatives and he can spend time with his Dad.

sunglassesonthetable · 05/12/2023 10:53

Maybe Easter would work better with everyone's year?

It's always so hard to fit in everyone and everything into these slots and young adults have their own agendas all of a sudden and understandably. Factor into that 2 families and a different country. 🤷‍♀️

It's pointless being hurt. Focus on what you can make happen.

You could book Easter now and get better flight prices.

He'll have finished Uni in the blink of an eye and you won't be able to get rid of him.

Bookworm1111 · 05/12/2023 10:49

Also, @Superaline991, have you and your DH never in the 12 odd years made the effort to spend Christmas in the UK to make it easier for him? Has it always been that he's flown to you in the festive break? Maybe he's just fed up of doing that.

Bookworm1111 · 05/12/2023 10:46

Superaline991 Does he have to come at Christmas? If he's got exams in Jan and only a small window to visit that fits in with your plans, isn't it better to sack it off this year and just FT and for him to come for longer when it's cheaper?