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To feel completely disillusioned with the Labour Party?

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user6776 · 04/12/2023 10:19

I've voted Labour since I've been able to vote. Come from a working class family of Labour voters also and I'd never vote Tory, but I'm feeling so disillusioned by Labour at the minute.

Wasn't really a fan of Starmer to begin with, but even less so after his comments about Margaret Thatcher. I really don't want to vote for them at the next GE.

AIBU to just not vote at all?

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ManyATrueWord · 01/06/2024 15:10

Spoil your ballot paper
If you write "You don't get my X if you don't respect my sex" on it will get seen as candidates can view spoils.

Papyrophile · 01/06/2024 13:27

The Times has an interview with KS today, which vacillating centrists would find reassuring.

^^

Bibi12 · 01/06/2024 12:42

ACynicalDad · 01/06/2024 11:40

That was a response to someone else, I would never vote for a Corbyn Labour Party, wouldn’t vote for a Truss Tory party. Not inspired by Sunak, Starmer (or Davey 😂😂😂) . Would rather a right of centre party but loads of Boris’ Tories need kicking out and the party rebuilding.

I completed agree but that is unlikely to happen because class wars and dividing people is a great voting strategy in UK.

ACynicalDad · 01/06/2024 11:40

Bibi12 · 01/06/2024 02:16

They can't be pure socialist because they know it won't work and will only result in huge debt. If you want to invest more money in public services you need to encourage and reward enterprise. Where do you think most tax come from? What fuels economy, creates growth and provides jobs? Enterprise.

Have you ever seen purely socialist country that was doing well for itself and its people ? Not one.
It's not just about the votes.

That was a response to someone else, I would never vote for a Corbyn Labour Party, wouldn’t vote for a Truss Tory party. Not inspired by Sunak, Starmer (or Davey 😂😂😂) . Would rather a right of centre party but loads of Boris’ Tories need kicking out and the party rebuilding.

Startingagainandagain · 01/06/2024 08:47

I assume you are not thrilled either with what has happened for the past 14 years?

Unless you want corruption, polluted water, unchecked greed by utility companies, crumbling schools/NHS/transport and the Brexit mess to continue to blight our country, do your bit and help make sure there is a new government in place.

Tactical vote is the way to go.

In some places it will mean voting Lib Dem or Green.

I really don't get how anyone at this stage would think a labour or a Labour/Lib Dem coalition would not be better than the Tories.

No party is ever going to perfect or meet all our individual expectations anyway.

Jadedandlost · 01/06/2024 08:18

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 01/06/2024 08:07

I'm still torn between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Labour. At the moment I'm leaning towards the latter. A vote for the Greens is a vote for clueless genderwoo loonies.

I could have written this!

BIWI · 01/06/2024 08:13

Are there not enough threads about the 2024 General Election, that @Bibi12 had to resurrect one from 2023?!

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 01/06/2024 08:07

I'm still torn between spoiling my ballot paper and voting Labour. At the moment I'm leaning towards the latter. A vote for the Greens is a vote for clueless genderwoo loonies.

Mummadeze · 01/06/2024 07:48

I don’t think you should stop voting Labour based on this one issue. Do a lot more research and think about the bigger picture. I was a Corbyn supporter but I am excited that Starmer has a chance now and would never turn my back on Labour. He seems like a decent and intelligent person from everything I have read.

YvonneBee · 01/06/2024 07:39

Voting for a smaller party you like is not a completely wasted vote. It might not have an effect this time but if the vote for a party goes up, more people will see it as a viable alternative next time.

AnneTwacky · 01/06/2024 07:38

I'll challenge Labour on 6th July, when the results are in.

mellongoose · 01/06/2024 07:38

Or spoil your ballot. That's a valid active choice.

AnneTwacky · 01/06/2024 07:37

If you know it's between Labour and the Tories then only don't vote if you genuinely have no preference between the two.

It looks like the Tories are not going to win but I remember nobody thought Leave would win in 2016, but they did.

I'm all up for challenging Labour, as they are more to the right than I'd like, but getting the Tories out is my top priority.

mellongoose · 01/06/2024 07:37

In your shoes I would vote Green. It's not a wasted vote in that if their share of the vote continues to increase their collective voice gets louder.

It's a marathon, not a sprint.

Zonder · 01/06/2024 07:31

Well said @newnamethanks

Freysimo · 01/06/2024 07:31

MariaLuna · 01/06/2024 02:33

Please vote.

You owe it to the women who helped us to be able to vote and all the countries in the world where there is not even democracy.

I'll always vote because of this and I'd never spoil my ballot paper.

newnamethanks · 01/06/2024 07:26

If you have a better alternative OP, please produce it. In the interim, anyone who does not support the current bunch of chancers and finaglers masquerading as the Tory party should consider voting Labour or Lib Dem in the appropriate constituencies. Unless you like them and their non-achievements so much that you'd like more of the same? In which case vote for them or don't vote at all. Both actions demonstrate a lack of political understanding if you are concerned about the future.

Camerasforinthehouse · 01/06/2024 06:42

We need to push for proportional representation.

Greywhippet · 01/06/2024 06:29

In many constituencies there is someone to vote for other than Labour- there are Greens, Independents, sometimes local candidates on single issues.
I wouldn’t say Green is a wasted vote at all- higher numbers of Green votes can shift the agenda and I would certainly rather the agenda was pushed in a Green rather than a Reform UK direction.
For the sake of those in the past who fought for the vote, I would always vote even though it wouldn’t be for one of the main parties this time.
I also don’t understand why anyone critical of Labour is viewed as a Tory staffer or accused of letting the Tories in. Labour will win this election by some distance but that doesn’t mean they are above scrutiny or criticism.

Chickenuggetsticks · 01/06/2024 06:14

I don’t get some Labour supporters, how is a random post on mumsnet supposed to be stopping people from voting Labour.

“I was going to vote Labour but OMG user6776 is feeling disillusioned, thats it I’m not voting now!”.

Chickenuggetsticks · 01/06/2024 06:10

What exactly is it that you don’t like? I mean quoting Thatcher isn’t a big deal really. I think most voters will find it hard to find a party that 100% reflects what they want. Most of us just vote for the party closest to our views. I’m not telling you to vote Labour or Lib Dem or whatever but I would say you have to be pragmatic when voting.

Ofcourse you can always spoil your ballot if you feel really fed up. It’s your vote and you can do what you like with it.

GogAndMagog · 01/06/2024 06:01

Trans Women

Men who can't make it as a Man and get more traction as a Man pretending to be a woman.

And bizarrely have attention as women because as men doing women do it better. Supposedly.

So yeah fuck the Greens.

decionsdecisions62 · 01/06/2024 05:48

Ok Rishi - you can stop trolling now.

flagonfull · 01/06/2024 05:45

user6776 · 04/12/2023 10:19

I've voted Labour since I've been able to vote. Come from a working class family of Labour voters also and I'd never vote Tory, but I'm feeling so disillusioned by Labour at the minute.

Wasn't really a fan of Starmer to begin with, but even less so after his comments about Margaret Thatcher. I really don't want to vote for them at the next GE.

AIBU to just not vote at all?

I feel exactly the same way for multiple reasons. It is discombobulating to feel so disenfranchised and unmotivated with upcoming elections

PrincessOfPreschool · 01/06/2024 03:01

MariaLuna · 01/06/2024 02:33

Please vote.

You owe it to the women who helped us to be able to vote and all the countries in the world where there is not even democracy.

I get the OP's point. It is discouraging when you vote and you know it won't be worth anything. I live in very very very date Tory seat (they evert stayed Tory in recent local council elections). I can, and will, vote anything but CON but where I live the only benefit I can think of in my voting is the walk to the polling station. So, it's not straight forward and very much depends where you live.

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