To feel completely disillusioned with the Labour Party?

The thing is @Papyrophile, audiences on TikTok and FB are self-selecting. They don't represent the general population, which is really important when it comes to producing reliable statistics. Which is what polling/market research surveys do produce (especially with the numbers being polled at the moment)

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1796979348014027158

I hope all the derision of my analytical and marketing skills is misplaced, but I was pretty good at reading the runes when I got paid €£$ for being right.

I really hope there's no chance at all of Reform even making third place, but Tiktok and FB are far bigger platforms than any polling company can muster so this raised my hackles. I pointed out the issue in general interest, but I do find it quite alarming that Reform is as high profile as it is. We have the EU elections next weekend, on Sunday, and in France, Holland and Germany the right wing looks set to win. The same in most of Eastern Europe. The UK is out of step with Europe's mainstream.

@Sirzy, I won't rule it out completely, but I don't think there is any chance of rejoining an EU that looks even slightly like the one we voted to leave. Not sure I would want to.

Do you really think there is any chance of reform winning?

I think in real life there are vanishingly few single issue voters, unless it's a local issue. And if there are, the biggest single issue - by a country mile is "how do I get rid of the Tories ?". Way ahead of anything else.

Its so frustrating when someone is looking at a single issue and citing it as a reason not to vote Labour. The alternative is we get another 5 years of the Tories ruining the country

You clearly know absolutely fuck all about polling/market research! That stuff isn't worth the paper (or screen?!) it's written on.

Which other party you think can balance Labour’s value and policy the best? Vote for them & hope for a hung parliament.

I thought it was highly amusing that the Telegraph even thinks that’s newsworthy.

Really? You think a TikTok poll will alarm anyone? Or be more accurate than a poll where the people questioned are decided scientifically?
Edit: just seen It’s not even a poll. It’s ‘likes’. Of what? Particular posts? The page? You think either one is indicative of anything at all?

They stand for winning this election. They've finally learned the sort of ruthlessness the Tories have used to win elections. It's about time and I'm here for it.

They've got a ways to go before they catch up with the Tories in the 'point scoring over principles' race though.

Pretty much everyone here is going to be alarmed by the report I have just seen leading the Telegraph's website that Reform are ahead of every other party on both Facebook and TikTok by likes. On TikTok, which skews youthful, the figures are Reform 125k and Labour 108k.

Labour accepted the defection of Natalie Elphicke, so what exactly do they stand for? Political point scoring over solid principles. It's not as if she was a wavering Tory Wet.

Maybe. But that’s a very unlikely scenario, isn’t it?
in reality nobody takes any notice of spoiled ballots.

Reform are taking votes from the Tories, not from Labour.

Let me get this straight:

Sewage in rivers, cost of living plunging thousands into poverty, education wrecked, childcare wrecked and costs astronomical, food standards reduced, energy costs raised, Brexit, fraudulent payments to the likes of Michelle Mone and no repercussions, wrecked economy (thanks Liz!), housing crisis, NHS on its knees, no doctors appointments, healthcare waiting lists...

BUT

"... Starmer said something I don't like. I can't possibly vote for Labour!"

Really, Op??

In reality nobody does see it. It's just put in a pile of spoiled papers - it's not like anyone will take a serious look to see why people spoiled their paper.

It's really not the great act of rebellion or protest you would think from reading MN.

I just can't see how Labour can win without Scotland. If reform don't stand down, then we could potentially be looking at a hung parliament. However if the Tory faithful finally decide they've had enough, then just perhaps Labour might win. Will be interesting to see the results.

Well said.

Not voting led to the shitshow of Brexit.

You go with the Least Worst.

For me, Tories are the Absolute Worst.

Who’s your money on @QuickDraining?

I don't think Labour will win. Or if they do it will be a very small win. There's loads of 'hold your nose' Labour voters, and I doubt they'll bother this time. Let's face it there just aren't that many swing voters. So we're basically banking on a load of old voters being wiped out since the last election. Labour could have promised up electoral reform - with that I might have given them a shot. Glad to watch both parties wither and die in their current form.

Wrong. The more marginal the seat, the more chance they are viewed. And if you lose a seat because of three spoiled ballots with the same message then you will take note and the Party will know.

The best protest vote is no vote at all.

They're all a bunch of grifters and spivs.

Starmer is as much a scumbag as Sunak and anyone else sitting opposite him.

The British political class is corrupt and rotten to the core.

Can view, maybe. Mostly they don’t because why bother? Spoiled ballots are pointless.