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To think there’s nothing for me to gain from marriage?

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RudyKazoo · 30/11/2023 08:49

I fully understand why marriage/civil partnerships are important to many people, and they bring commitment/stability to some relationships, but it’s not something DP and I have ever wanted.

We’ve been together 5+ years and don’t (and probably won’t) have children. We split all living costs 50/50, own a house in joint names, have wills in place and nominated our pensions to each other.

I often see comments on how marriage protects women, but given we’ve got the above wrapped up, are there any other legal/financial protections I’m missing (excluding inheritance tax benefits)?

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Zanatdy · 01/12/2023 08:46

I’d say marriage only benefits when women give up jobs or go part time when they have kids.

Hereforaglance · 01/12/2023 08:43

Marriage is a piece of paper and an expensive dress and alot of stress if u need these things thst badly go for it but at end of day that all you are getting

IncompleteSenten · 01/12/2023 08:40

Marriage protects anyone who has reduced their earning potential and often won't get a pension or much of one as a result because they either stopped work or worked part time in order to raise children.

If you aren't in that situation and you own property jointly (or don't own any at all, a lot of people rent) and have your own pension, don't have enough £ that would make it make financial sense to be married because of tax allowances etc then no, it doesn't benefit you because you've not lost anything and don't need to be made whole.

jeaux90 · 01/12/2023 08:36

We are in a similar position OP no intention of marrying for tax reasons but will do eventually for the same reason.

Normalweirdo · 01/12/2023 08:32

Do you have joint bank/savings account? You say everything is paid 50/50 so if something happened to one of you tomorrow does the other have the means to continue paying the bills until the will has been fulfilled and access to the other persons accounts is gained.

Bigcoffeemug · 30/11/2023 19:58

Draoicht · 30/11/2023 19:42

I never fancied getting married, but it seemed easier than figuring out nearest possible equivalents with a solicitor, so we just nipped down to the register office with two friends. I forget we did it half the time, partly because hardly anyone knows.

Same here (after 20 years together). We just treated it as an errand to sort out some legalties, as that's all it is when you boil it down. No rings, no name changes, no one else's business really.

Draoicht · 30/11/2023 19:42

I never fancied getting married, but it seemed easier than figuring out nearest possible equivalents with a solicitor, so we just nipped down to the register office with two friends. I forget we did it half the time, partly because hardly anyone knows.

EatMyHead · 30/11/2023 19:35

I've never understood while people with no intention of having children get married.

RudyKazoo · 30/11/2023 19:29

Thanks everyone! The LPAs are a good shout - we’ve got them for parents but not each other. @Celebrationsnakes I’m pretty sure the defined benefit pension is covered but I’ll double check.

The IHT could be a pain, but who knows what’s going to happen on that side of things in future anyway.

Disclaimer I’m not one for marriage, but would quite like a ring of some sort eventually (he’s got excellent taste!).

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Celebrationsnakes · 30/11/2023 12:02

SnapdragonToadflax · 30/11/2023 09:00

She does say they've nominated their pensions to each other, so it's safe to assume they've checked that.

Both I and my partner's pensions (large workplace providers) pay out to partners, it's quite common now.

Yes but a lot of defined benefit don't. I work in this area so know this.

kweeble · 30/11/2023 09:48

I’d go for LPA and check out inheritance tax. Are you sure your pensions will pay out in the same was as if you were married? I.e. a dependants pension rather than just a life insurance pay out to nominee?
You could get married without any fuss - it may be easier in the long run.

ChristmasFluff · 30/11/2023 09:40

@Capertillar Spouses need LPA as they don't automatically have it via marriage.

"If you're married or in a civil partnership, you may have assumed that your spouse or civil partner would automatically be able to make decisions about your finances or your health and care if there comes a time when you can no longer do so. But without an LPA, your spouse or civil partner doesn't have this authority." - from https://www.ageuk.org.uk/information-advice/money-legal/legal-issues/power-of-attorney/

Capertillar · 30/11/2023 09:07

Please could someone explain why spouses need LPA?

DGPP · 30/11/2023 09:02

Absolutely nothing! You’ve covered all the bases. Only thing remaining is inheritance tax

BrimfulOfMash · 30/11/2023 09:01

Married people need LPAs too, but you should put them in place.

SnapdragonToadflax · 30/11/2023 09:00

Celebrationsnakes · 30/11/2023 08:58

Some types of pensions will only pay out to legally married spouses so be careful there.
You won't get the protection from Inheritance tax either.

She does say they've nominated their pensions to each other, so it's safe to assume they've checked that.

Both I and my partner's pensions (large workplace providers) pay out to partners, it's quite common now.

SgtJuneAckland · 30/11/2023 08:58

Oh and yes sort out power of attorney

Celebrationsnakes · 30/11/2023 08:58

Some types of pensions will only pay out to legally married spouses so be careful there.
You won't get the protection from Inheritance tax either.

SgtJuneAckland · 30/11/2023 08:57

I am the higher earner and always have been , although the gap is closing I'm likely, save any health issues, to always be. We do have a DC but I've been promoted twice since he was born so never had any intention of putting my career on hold. I got married because I wanted to be married. If you don't I wouldn't. I only really see it advocated here where one party is compromising their financial independence and security for the benefit of the family (often the woman) , you're not in that position so it's just about if you want to be married or not (and inheritance tax)

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 30/11/2023 08:56

I generally think people mean 'marriage protects mothers' who generally take a financial hit when they have a baby and generally get left with more of the childcare after a split.

In your situation the only other things I'd consider are, do you have life insurance (private and through work as a death in service benefit) and are you both recipients. And who would have the power to make medical decisions in serious scenarios (eg switching life support off).

DodoNest · 30/11/2023 08:55

A spouse doesn't have to pay any inheritance tax, you would. I have friends of friends that got really burnt by this. I guess it depends if the house you own/ savings would be enough to put you in that threshold.

SnapdragonToadflax · 30/11/2023 08:55

You should get Lasting Power of Attorney set up, to make life easier if one of you is incapacitated or dies. And do keep an eye on the inheritance tax threshold, especially if you own a home which increases in value over the years.

But otherwise - nah. You're good.

Toomuchcawfee · 30/11/2023 08:55

Next of kin can be nominated in the uk with no legal requirements. I’d carry a card in your wallet naming each other, and make sure your GP has you listed as each others next of kin.

BeeCucumber · 30/11/2023 08:54

Stay as you are. You have no children and earn your own money. Perfect.

CandyLeBonBon · 30/11/2023 08:54

Apart from inheritance tax, I wouldn't marry in these circumstances either.

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