To think it's not a foregone conclusion that Labour will win the next election?

Excellent points. He was the most ridiculous brown-noser over ID cards, long after it was obviously a (quite rightly) doomed scheme.

The Brexit vote was a Tory election manifesto promise, Labour didn’t offer it. What could they have done differently?

I disagree. MPs are from all over the country, they don’t all represent London. They’ve even even got blocks like the Northern Research Group to champion their causes. If parliament were to move to Norwich tomorrow, would this mean all of the MPs’s would be representing East Anglia?

London has some of the poorest wards in the country. He would be on to a winner if he pointed out the neglect in parts of his region and suggested solutions for this. However, it’s always pitched as being the fault of London. Meanwhile people living in Tower Hamlets in mouldy flats, with no greenery to be seen, are wondering why someone who has constituents which include people living in places looking like something off Footbalers Wives, is blaming them and claiming they have more because they live in the SE.

He would never be a successful PM.

Does it really matter whether Labour regain the seats they lost in Scotland? After all they won virtually all the Scottish seats throught several decades of Tory rule and it made no difference. Jim Sillars pointed out this paradox long ago , which is where the SNP came in.

A friend of mine is a lifelong socialist. A few years ago he visited his home town , Paisley after a long absence. Labour ran it for the guts of 100 years he says. He is SNP now. Seems to me Lab have a mountain to climb even if they do win a few more seats there.

I don't know, like I say, I'd be over the moon to be wrong. I'm not usually such a pessimist.

I do think the COVID spending was beyond ridiculous. Brexit wouldn't have been my first choice either. I think I'd be more optimistic that a Labour government could turn this around if they hadn't been such a hapless, ineffectual opposition party while all this was happening.

I think I'd add to "economic constraints" the fact that the current government has crashed and burned the economy, shown no concerns for the well being of anyone except the rich and seem hell bent on leaving as big a mess as possible for their successors to sort out. The damage they've deliberately caused will take at least a decade to address.

Well, yes. I have my opinion. I'm not going around telling anyone else what they should do.

We'll have a Labour government and hopefully we'll at least get to see some of this up side before women's rights pay the penalty. Although given the economic constraints, I'm not very optimistic that the change in government will change the quality of life for anyone.

Yes I do, thanks for asking.

Some people are single issue voters.

Some aren't.

I'm in the latter camp and I suspect those who are concerned with gender ID to the exclusion of anything else won't make much difference when it comes to the election result.

As enlightened as the point it was responding to.

More meaningless waffle. Do you have an opinion beyond this nonsense?

I don't think you understand what an insult is.
I expressed an opinion about the content of your post.

Okay.

Well the general consensus from the finger waggers is that gender critical women should suspend their disbelief and vote for Labour. That women will be better served under Labour. Even as they dismantle women as a sex class and continue to marginalise and demonise gender critical women throughout the party.

But, yes, my feeling is that, despite a friendlier exterior and compassionate narrative, the Labour Party will be terrible for women's rights for years to come.

At the very least, cobble together a more entertaining insult.

Desecratedcoconut · Yesterday 10:06
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Unfortunately I don't think enough people care about anti-semitism or misogyny in the Labour party to make a dent.”

They just care more about other issues.

I agree, and it was why Blair targeted "Mondeo Man", i.e. it's the middle where elections are won and lost, the floating voter.

About as enlightening as that pile of ordure about Labour stabbing you in the back.

At the end of the day, Labour won in 1997 because of Tony Blair. They lost in 2010 because of Brown. Labour lost the last two elections because of Corbyn. Libdems did well in 2010 because of Clegg. Boris won the GE because of being Boris!

Absolutely this. Some voters may have their niche interests, and others have really caught the public consciousness like Israel-Palestine. Brexit was a bit of an exception but most elections are about the personalities.

Well, that's an enlightening position on the matter 🤷

What a load of utter shit.

It's not hard to understand. The Tories may be indifferent to human suffering but Labour will tell you they have your well being at the centre of their policies - so long as you let them stab you in the back first for "the greater good".

But if the next GE is going to be on the economy, then what exactly have the Tories done over the last 13 years that impresses?

This is why I think Labour will probably win. People are poorer than they were 13 years ago - mortgages and rents have gone up, bills have gone up, food prices have gone up. On top of that, people can't find an NHS dentist, it's hard to see a doctor, schools and public services are worse, housing is hard to find, and Brexit has made things worse instead of better. So people want change - and in both England and Scotland that means Labour.

Throwhandsupintheair · Today 08:11

Andy Burnham can’t keep London’s name out of his mouth. Everything is ‘that London’s’ fault. He’s always playing to the London hater crowd. too divisive. So it’s a massive no from me. A PM needs to at least try to govern for the whole country, not keeping bashing parts of it*

He’s right though. I live in the north. We don’t even have a functioning train service. We live in a country where most of it is ignored and disregarded except for the SE bit.

I want Andy Burnham for pm. It’s about time some fought for the neglected parts of the country.

Are you saying 'better the devil you know', as in you know the tories don't care about human rights so you will vote for them anyway. So just stick with a party that have over 13 years to improve things but haven't. Oh my.

Of course it does. His entire raison d’etre is champion of the north.