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Sister wants £20 limit "per household"

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ImTheGoat · 27/11/2023 08:25

My sister doesn't earn a lot of money and has asked that we set a limit of £20 "per household" for Christmas presents this year. AIBU not to want to do this?

It's just my sister and our parents plus me and my husband. Sister lives alone. So according to the rules she's suggested I can spend £10 on each of my parents but £20 on her.

I don't care at all about the value of presents I receive however I like to treat my parents at Christmas. Nothing outrageous, usually about £30-£40 each person. My mum has had a bad year health wise, she's elderly and I don't know how many more Christmases she's got. I usually get her a couple of books she requests plus another little something. She doesn't have a lot of money to spend on herself so I ask her what she would like and get it for her. Then I try to spend about the same on my dad and sister so it's fair.

DH and I exchange gifts separately at home so that's not an issue. And if my sister didn't want to spend much herself that's totally OK and not a problem. I've told her I'd be really happy if she made me something- I suggested some biscuits for my husband and me as a household and my mum and dad have said the same.

The problem is when she emailed to request this £20 per household limit I emailed back immediately and agreed because I don't want her to feel uncomfortable. Now I'm regretting it. AIBU and what should I do?

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Bearbookagainandagain · 27/11/2023 13:52

ImTheGoat · 27/11/2023 11:45

Thanks very much for all the responses. I really like the idea of giving what I want to my parents but not on Christmas. I've decided I'm going to send them Christmas eve boxes (I'll need to post them as we don't arrive until Christmas afternoon and my sister arrives Christmas morning). Within each box will be the books they each wanted and some chocolates. Then on the day I can give them each an additional small £10 gift in front of my sister. It's not breaking the "rules" and it means everyone gets what they want - sister parents, and me. Ideal.

Secret santa wouldn't work for us as I would hate not to give my mum anything she would be quite hurt also. And she really enjoys giving something to us. We're not the type of people where big piles of presents are a thing. Mum gets us a surprise that she enjoys picking out, and we get her things she wouldn't buy for herself. And dad has now started saying what he wants also but wouldn't be able to afford. Also my parents provide the Christmas dinner - it's nothing elaborate, just a roast chicken with potatoes, veg and cranberry sauce. So basically they spend money on the things that make them happy (food and gifts for us) but still also get the things they would like!

It works for all of us except my sister. I do understand that she feels bad she can't give as much as we can and it must not be very nice at all to feel like the poor relation. I do see her side of things.

I also like the idea of my sister and I not buying for each other in theory. In practice though I think she'd actually be hurt. I'd rather she just baked me and DH cookies or something- I don't want her spending money on us. But I want to give her a little something as a token that I care. She has issues with her mental health that also play into all of this, plus she's single. The only gifts she gets are from me and mum. And she's told me what she would like (generally category) and I've bought it so too late now anyway.

Ah, missed that update!
I think the Xmas eve boxes are a lovely idea!

Duckling89 · 27/11/2023 13:40

£40 isn’t much more than £20, can’t you just buy like normal and if she says anything just say you got it on a deal?

Bearbookagainandagain · 27/11/2023 13:38

Not sure if it's something you would consider, but my family started doing a secret Santa style thing for Xmas a few years ago and that really helped with keeping the budget affordable for everyone.
The idea was that it was better to get 1 present with a bigger budget than lots of small ones (which everyone found frustrating in the first place as the giver).
If you did this, it would make a nice 60£ budget per person, and it would be affordable for everyone including your sister. You can always treat your parents for their birthday?

SawX · 27/11/2023 13:37

shepherdsangeldelight · 27/11/2023 10:18

Nothing will stop you treating your mum ... except the fact that it's not Christmas? If you want to treat your mum, then treat your mum. You don't have to wait for a specific day.

How are you old enough to be on the internet but not to know Christmas is a traditional gift-giving event?

Ihadenough22 · 27/11/2023 13:33

I would just say to your sister you already bought your parents presents before she discussed a spending limit with you. Tell her you saw a few nice things on offer so you bought them for your parents.
Tell her as well that your happy just getting a small gift or a gift worth X from her using the limit she set. Ask her what she like for that limit. If you have a partner or kids you could say to her well a tin of sweets always go down well here. She not arriving empty handed and a tin of sweets is not expensive.

Why should you give your elderly parents a poor present to suit your sister? If she wanted a certain spending limit to happen she should have spoken to you sooner.

Ihadenough22 · 27/11/2023 13:33

I would just say to your sister you already bought your parents presents before she discussed a spending limit with you. Tell her you saw a few nice things on offer so you bought them for your parents.
Tell her as well that your happy just getting a small gift or a gift worth X from her using the limit she set. Ask her what she like for that limit. If you have a partner or kids you could say to her well a tin of sweets always go down well here. She not arriving empty handed and a tin of sweets is not expensive.

Why should you give your elderly parents a poor present to suit your sister? If she wanted a certain spending limit to happen she should have spoken to you sooner.

Viviennemary · 27/11/2023 12:39

Just say sorry but I've not been able to stick to the limit we've agreed. Prices have gone up such a lot this year.or just don't say anything. Its not as if prices are on things.

PostItInABook · 27/11/2023 12:34

BarbaraofSeville · 27/11/2023 11:06

But it's not that simple is it?

If you give someone a gift, most people will feel obliged to give one back. So it turns into you choosing how they spend their money. Because you've both spent £X and ended up with an item chosen by the other which may be unwanted or unsuitable.

Plus they have to pretend to like whatever you've given them and then either display, wear or use it, or they'll give it to a charity shop, and either way they'll feel guilty about the waste of money/resources and irritated about the extra mental load of dealing with buying gifts and getting rid of unwanted ones.

So while you might think it's a thoughtful, generous gesture, many don't agree and would prefer not to bother at all.

But it's not that simple is it?

In my circle, yes. It really is that simple.

If you give someone a gift, most people will feel obliged to give one back.
That is self-imposed obligation, thus not my problem. People make their own choices and can choose to respond how they wish. I have no control over other people’s reactions or choices thus I don’t stress about it.

Because you've both spent £X and ended up with an item chosen by the other which may be unwanted or unsuitable.
That doesn’t happen in my circle because I only buy what I absolutely know the people I buy for like, need and want. I don’t buy needless tat because I think carefully about it. For example, I have got my (adult - shock horror!) brother a ps5 game out of a list of options he gave me. He doesn’t generally buy games for himself because of the cost, so getting one for Christmas is a nice treat for him. I’ve got my step niece and nephew stuff I know they like, will use or need, and which I have chatted to my SIL about. Etc etc.

Plus they have to pretend to like whatever you've given them and then either display, wear or use it, or they'll give it to a charity shop, and either way they'll feel guilty about the waste of money/resources and irritated about the extra mental load of dealing with buying gifts and getting rid of unwanted ones.
Again, I buy useful and wanted items, not crap. The ‘guilty’ thing is also self-imposed, which I can’t control, so I’m not going to stress about how others create all this unnecessary drama and stress for themselves.

So while you might think it's a thoughtful, generous gesture, many don't agree and would prefer not to bother at all. In your world perhaps. Not in mine. If people feel guilty or stressed or pressured instead of grateful, happy and cheerful, that’s their issue and they’ve chosen to feel those things themselves. It has nothing to do with me. People need to take more personal responsibility for their emotions and reactions to things.

PaminaMozart · 27/11/2023 12:33

Reading some of these comments I'm so glad that, years ago, we all agreed on no Christmas presents other than token consumables - booze, chocolates, home-baked goods, a chunk of Stilton...

TheGirlWhoLived · 27/11/2023 12:25

@ImTheGoat has she actually stipulated that you shouldn’t spend x on your parents? Only because if i phrased it like that (£20 per household) I would assume that it just means between the giver and the receiver.
we do this for my sister because she’s single and we’re a family of 5. It gets expensive for her so we set a limit of £50 per household rather than £20 per person- meaning that she doesn’t have an outlay of £100 whilst we only have £20. This doesn’t affect what my parents spend, we spend on grandparents or other sibling (who has a family too so we tend to do a token for the adults and presents for the kids)

ImTheGoat · 27/11/2023 12:18

Quitelikeit · 27/11/2023 12:13

I can’t believe this. You ought to
tell your sister that she need not bother getting you a gift and to save her money.

You buy her and your parents wth you like!

No need to dance around her wants and needs.

I guess we do tend to dance around her wants and needs. She has mental health difficulties so we do try to help her as best we can.

I'm sure my parents will be discreet about the Christmas eve boxes.

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Quitelikeit · 27/11/2023 12:13

I can’t believe this. You ought to
tell your sister that she need not bother getting you a gift and to save her money.

You buy her and your parents wth you like!

No need to dance around her wants and needs.

betterangels · 27/11/2023 12:13

shepherdsangeldelight · 27/11/2023 08:59

Present buying is annoying if you are a single person.
Potentially your sister has to buy 4 presents (both parents, you, your DH) and she'll only get 2 presents back (one from each household). I know gift giving is not meant to be reciprocal, but you do end up spending more than anyone else in this arrangement.

I'd suggest the best option in your situation is for you to tell your sister that you want to spend more on your parents so suggest that you don't buy for each other/get token gift and put the difference into nicer gifts for your mum and dad.

Another one who agrees with this.

Twiglets1 · 27/11/2023 12:08

I think that’s a tactful way of handling it @ImTheGoat as long as your parents don’t make a big fuss about it in front of your sister.

People saying “you can do what you want” are rather missing the point, in my opinion. Of course you can do what you want but it’s nice to be nice and anyone that doesn’t have financial worries at Christmas is lucky & should try to be thoughtful about others in a less fortunate situation.

Calliopespa · 27/11/2023 12:04

ImTheGoat · 27/11/2023 11:45

Thanks very much for all the responses. I really like the idea of giving what I want to my parents but not on Christmas. I've decided I'm going to send them Christmas eve boxes (I'll need to post them as we don't arrive until Christmas afternoon and my sister arrives Christmas morning). Within each box will be the books they each wanted and some chocolates. Then on the day I can give them each an additional small £10 gift in front of my sister. It's not breaking the "rules" and it means everyone gets what they want - sister parents, and me. Ideal.

Secret santa wouldn't work for us as I would hate not to give my mum anything she would be quite hurt also. And she really enjoys giving something to us. We're not the type of people where big piles of presents are a thing. Mum gets us a surprise that she enjoys picking out, and we get her things she wouldn't buy for herself. And dad has now started saying what he wants also but wouldn't be able to afford. Also my parents provide the Christmas dinner - it's nothing elaborate, just a roast chicken with potatoes, veg and cranberry sauce. So basically they spend money on the things that make them happy (food and gifts for us) but still also get the things they would like!

It works for all of us except my sister. I do understand that she feels bad she can't give as much as we can and it must not be very nice at all to feel like the poor relation. I do see her side of things.

I also like the idea of my sister and I not buying for each other in theory. In practice though I think she'd actually be hurt. I'd rather she just baked me and DH cookies or something- I don't want her spending money on us. But I want to give her a little something as a token that I care. She has issues with her mental health that also play into all of this, plus she's single. The only gifts she gets are from me and mum. And she's told me what she would like (generally category) and I've bought it so too late now anyway.

Won’t you have to ask them not to mention the Christmas Eve boxes? Which forces them to be a bit clandestine ( in itself unchristmassy?). And what if your sister finds out? I personally wouldn’t have dove what she has and suggested what others should do, but if I had and thought it was agreed, I would feel really annoyed if I discovered about them - much more annoyed than if you just upfront you were going to get more for your parents. I’d feel like the kid whose parents ate the confiscated sweets after I had gone to bed ( mine did that once! Said we had all eaten too much junk over Christmas - they really meant we children had - and they were going in the present box to give as gifts. Got up for a drink and found them guzzling them!)

caringcarer · 27/11/2023 12:04

I'd just get your Mum something nice. If your sister asks just say you spent £20 and say you got it heavily reduced in a sale. You forgot where you got it now. You got it Months ago. Or give your Mum and Dad smaller gifts but then treat your Mum to a voucher in January she can spend. No need to mention it to your sister.

Tessabelle74 · 27/11/2023 11:57

Underparmummy · 27/11/2023 11:54

I wouldn't have let her dictate what I buy people for gifts to start with.

She's told her sister she's struggling this year, how is that dictating? It's not hard to just agree to the limit to make another person feel better is it? You've clearly never been the one left feeling guilty and uncomfortable because others have spent more than you and it shows in your attitude, along with anyone else that has commented the same, yours was just the first one to still comment this way AFTER the OP has outlined her perfectly lovely solution.

Underparmummy · 27/11/2023 11:54

Tessabelle74 · 27/11/2023 11:51

So you'd be happy to let your sister feel crap ilon Christmas day because you want to feel like the big I am? Luckily the OP is a lot nicer to her siblings than you

I wouldn't have let her dictate what I buy people for gifts to start with.

Sofita90 · 27/11/2023 11:53

I would say your parents are not kids to wait the gift on Christmas day , buy from now to your parents whatever you think they need i.e the books for your mother and send them to them without being a Christmas gift...is just a gift. No need to mention I give it now because bla bla gift them what you want now or after the holidays and on Christmas day with your sister exchange nice cute gifts like beauty products .. an aftersave for dad and nice socks or body mist for mom . I wouldn't want to bring your sister in uncomfortable position and you can gift to your parents whatever you want all year around no need to do on Christmas day

Tessabelle74 · 27/11/2023 11:51

Underparmummy · 27/11/2023 11:48

Just buy what you want to buy everyone! If she moans and you cab with arguing tell her Black Friday was good to you this year.
She sounds a controlling pita.

So you'd be happy to let your sister feel crap ilon Christmas day because you want to feel like the big I am? Luckily the OP is a lot nicer to her siblings than you

IncompleteSenten · 27/11/2023 11:50

It's a limit not a target. Spend a tenner on her.

Tessabelle74 · 27/11/2023 11:49

ImTheGoat · 27/11/2023 11:45

Thanks very much for all the responses. I really like the idea of giving what I want to my parents but not on Christmas. I've decided I'm going to send them Christmas eve boxes (I'll need to post them as we don't arrive until Christmas afternoon and my sister arrives Christmas morning). Within each box will be the books they each wanted and some chocolates. Then on the day I can give them each an additional small £10 gift in front of my sister. It's not breaking the "rules" and it means everyone gets what they want - sister parents, and me. Ideal.

Secret santa wouldn't work for us as I would hate not to give my mum anything she would be quite hurt also. And she really enjoys giving something to us. We're not the type of people where big piles of presents are a thing. Mum gets us a surprise that she enjoys picking out, and we get her things she wouldn't buy for herself. And dad has now started saying what he wants also but wouldn't be able to afford. Also my parents provide the Christmas dinner - it's nothing elaborate, just a roast chicken with potatoes, veg and cranberry sauce. So basically they spend money on the things that make them happy (food and gifts for us) but still also get the things they would like!

It works for all of us except my sister. I do understand that she feels bad she can't give as much as we can and it must not be very nice at all to feel like the poor relation. I do see her side of things.

I also like the idea of my sister and I not buying for each other in theory. In practice though I think she'd actually be hurt. I'd rather she just baked me and DH cookies or something- I don't want her spending money on us. But I want to give her a little something as a token that I care. She has issues with her mental health that also play into all of this, plus she's single. The only gifts she gets are from me and mum. And she's told me what she would like (generally category) and I've bought it so too late now anyway.

This is the perfect solution! Have a wonderful Christmas 🎄

daisychain01 · 27/11/2023 11:49

Id just buy presents that ensure each of your family members has something nice to open and don't get hung up on it being exactly £20. It's probably just a guideline so your sister doesn't feel she has to keep up with presents like a Cartier watch or a new Smartphone etc (just examples, don't take literally!)

I'd be glad it reduces complexity and time - just get each person to ask for a simple item and job's a goodun

Underparmummy · 27/11/2023 11:48

Just buy what you want to buy everyone! If she moans and you cab with arguing tell her Black Friday was good to you this year.
She sounds a controlling pita.

ImTheGoat · 27/11/2023 11:45

Thanks very much for all the responses. I really like the idea of giving what I want to my parents but not on Christmas. I've decided I'm going to send them Christmas eve boxes (I'll need to post them as we don't arrive until Christmas afternoon and my sister arrives Christmas morning). Within each box will be the books they each wanted and some chocolates. Then on the day I can give them each an additional small £10 gift in front of my sister. It's not breaking the "rules" and it means everyone gets what they want - sister parents, and me. Ideal.

Secret santa wouldn't work for us as I would hate not to give my mum anything she would be quite hurt also. And she really enjoys giving something to us. We're not the type of people where big piles of presents are a thing. Mum gets us a surprise that she enjoys picking out, and we get her things she wouldn't buy for herself. And dad has now started saying what he wants also but wouldn't be able to afford. Also my parents provide the Christmas dinner - it's nothing elaborate, just a roast chicken with potatoes, veg and cranberry sauce. So basically they spend money on the things that make them happy (food and gifts for us) but still also get the things they would like!

It works for all of us except my sister. I do understand that she feels bad she can't give as much as we can and it must not be very nice at all to feel like the poor relation. I do see her side of things.

I also like the idea of my sister and I not buying for each other in theory. In practice though I think she'd actually be hurt. I'd rather she just baked me and DH cookies or something- I don't want her spending money on us. But I want to give her a little something as a token that I care. She has issues with her mental health that also play into all of this, plus she's single. The only gifts she gets are from me and mum. And she's told me what she would like (generally category) and I've bought it so too late now anyway.

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