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Single parents getting a hard time on here!

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SoOverThisAgain · 21/11/2023 15:01

I’ve been reading some threads on here, is it me or do other mumsnetters automatically seem to give single parents who have dared to start dating and introduce kids to their new partners a really hard time?!
It seems like they think they should be single until the kids are fully grown!
I did it, and it worked wonderfully and we are now one big happy (most of the time!) blended family

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Petra42 · 16/01/2025 03:26

user243245346 · 15/01/2025 16:48

Yes i is see a lot of this. Especially "never married" single parents- a poster once told me I should have had an abortion. I'm a hard working professional who has never claimed benefits and does a reasonable job of child rearing

@user243245346 agree 100%. This site often makes me despair at who is posting out there. Are they genuine people or armchair nutcases? We can date and not be terrible parents!

Chosen wrong person: my ex is as charming and well presented as you'd expect. Women have always been impressed with him. He just turned into a nutter when I was pregnant and I had to leave due to the mental abuse. Yet I'm labelled on here as having made a bad decision. I left because I didnt want my children to think this was normal behaviour in a relationship. It was one of the hardest things to do because I was terrified. But I made it out.

Dating : I'm dating someone serious but no plans to move in/have children ever but here I've been labelled a joke of a mum because im actually dating whereas apparently I should be single till they are 18! I wouldn't want my children to leave bad relationships and be single forever, id want them to have happiness too if they met someone and handled it well. We don't all move new partners in in 5min.

My children are super well adjusted and happy. I work hard and have a great corporate role which allows me to look after my children with no state support. We have our own house in central London and no debt whatsoever. I did all that alone. Exactly how many on mumsnet making these nasty comments about single parents can say that. And I'm lucky in my situation, how many desperate people out there can't leave because of financial issues yet they are slated on mumsnet.

My ex has made huge changes too so he gets on with them too. Had we stayed together, he'd have continued in this horrible, downward spiralling way and even he says i was right to get out at the time.

Honestly I always regret even asking advice on mumsnet because some people can be so cruel and nasty that I worry for my own mental health, then I have to remind myself that im actually doing a good job. Who on earth are these posters who think it's OK to post things like 'id be ashamed if I were you', or 'it's your kids i feel sorry for' or 'you disgust me as a parent' - wtf!!! We should be praising these women for having the courage to get out and not vilify them. The few single parents I know have left partners due to the men's addictions or cheating and these women have all of the above and some have kids with additional needs, who they parent amazingly alone. And date.

LaPam · 15/01/2025 22:19

Costcolover · 15/01/2025 20:57

With respect, this all sounds like you're trying to convince/reassure yourself here, more than anyone else.

I'm not putting my child at risk just because I might be a bit past it once becomes an adult, thanks Hmm

With respect, you put your child at risk everytime you leave them out of your sight. Many mothers, married or otherwise put their children at risk by staying or getting into toxic relationships.

If you are sensible enough and put your children first, you will know to act the moment your child is not happy or raise a concern, whether whatever happened at school, the sports changing room or in your very own house.

Wishingplenty · 15/01/2025 22:11

Buses · 15/01/2025 18:00

This surely has to be a troll post?

You call this a troll post. I call it absolutely spot on!

Costcolover · 15/01/2025 20:57

LaPam · 15/01/2025 16:56

The problem with waiting until your kids are 18 is that by then you may be too old, too set on your ways and there would be far less prospects.

The problem of waiting a year to introduce the children is that if your partner ends out not getting along with the children, it will be more difficult to send him flying, especially if he is a very nice man in many other aspects.

New relationships are not always in detriment of your children, your kids may love having your new partner around and get along with step siblings like a house on fire. It is not unheard of. I have seen blended families working beautifully. Yes l, they may have the occasional problem as any “unblended” family would but in general do well, it doesn’t have to be misery all the time.

With respect, this all sounds like you're trying to convince/reassure yourself here, more than anyone else.

I'm not putting my child at risk just because I might be a bit past it once becomes an adult, thanks Hmm

Gogogo12345 · 15/01/2025 19:09

Petra42 · 15/01/2025 15:28

@Newsingle mumsnet can be an bunch of vipers. I'd say the key point is date but don't move anyone in. I don't even do overnights unless the weekend if I have childcare. But I choose this option. My problem is my partner wants more time but I haven't got that time free! I'd have been quite happy to date casually if honest.

Well yes So many people in here seem to think that dating someone means you move them in, have more kids with them etcetcetc

Gogogo12345 · 15/01/2025 19:06

BettyBardMacDonald · 15/01/2025 14:51

This.

If people fail to make a go of the relationship (or lack thereof) that produced the children, it's their duty to do without until the children are grown.

No one is forced to bear children. Doing so and then traumatizing them with the introduction, sometimes repeatedly, of strangers into their lives and homes is reprehensible. Especially when the single parent has a history of making poor choices.

No one is going to die from not dating.

So if your husband fucks off with another woman and leaves the kids with you then YOU are the one that's not meant to have any dating life who heaven knows how many years. Even if you didn't cause the relationship to fail? Seriously?

OpalSpirit · 15/01/2025 18:38

BettyBardMacDonald · 15/01/2025 13:48

Life isn't THAT unpredictable. It's quite possible to control our own reproduction and to wait for optimal circumstances.

I was with my husband for almost twenty years. We had to split due to spiralling behaviour. After two lots of marriage counselling I left for my children.

I raise my children, I put them first and I do all the mundane and hard parts of parenthood on my own.

The idea that people judge me as a flighty or irresponsible in someway is boggling to me.

OpalSpirit · 15/01/2025 18:25

Winterday1991 · 21/11/2023 16:22

If I was a single parent I would be too busy focusing on raising my children to be in the dating game. Why can't women take pride in being strong and on their own rather than jumping into new relationships.

I am a single parent and I have remained single by choice.

However, the tone of judgement in your post is awful.
If you haven’t done it you cannot know what it is like and how you would adapt.

I notice that you don’t wonder the same of the fathers?

Buses · 15/01/2025 18:00

BettyBardMacDonald · 15/01/2025 14:51

This.

If people fail to make a go of the relationship (or lack thereof) that produced the children, it's their duty to do without until the children are grown.

No one is forced to bear children. Doing so and then traumatizing them with the introduction, sometimes repeatedly, of strangers into their lives and homes is reprehensible. Especially when the single parent has a history of making poor choices.

No one is going to die from not dating.

This surely has to be a troll post?

Buses · 15/01/2025 17:56

LaPam · 15/01/2025 14:23

I am with you. There are quite a lot of threads so short minded and judgemental that are difficult to read, my guess is that many of the people that post have no experience of raising kids alone and are doing a lot of arm chair parenting based on a handful of gory news.

One aspect I find unfair is that there are more women putting their children in danger by staying with an abusive husband or long term partner but they don’t get the stigma lone parents do. It is often assumed that lone parents are bad parents even when a lone parent is the parent who was left “holding the baby” and most likely the only one putting her children first by providing the lion’s share of care and sustainance.

Another aspect to consider is that, putting widows aside, who are raising kids alone due to circumstances outside their control, the vast majority of lone parents are women who had the courage and determination to leave a bad relationship so we .should be giving more credit to their intellect rather than assuming that them rebuilding their lives will result in a child getting abused and murdered down the line.

I love this post.

StarDolphins · 15/01/2025 17:35

MyProudHare · 15/01/2025 15:57

Are you genuinely quibbling with those poster's very considerate, well thought out message? No of course it isn't all about what children 'want'. Mine 'want' to eat McDonald's every day.

That post advocated putting your children first, loving and caring for them.

Wanting macdonalds is a world away from wanting/not wanting an unrelated male forced in your home. I think you surely must know this!

Wishingplenty · 15/01/2025 17:27

FloweryName · 21/11/2023 16:26

My mum would have said that we were a happy blended family that worked wonderfully too, except we weren’t really. None of the children were happy with the situation and it was not a positive experience.

But adults can be selfish and tell themselves that they deserve to be happy and shouldn’t be held back just because they’ve had children, so they convince themselves that their blended families are working well despite their children being unhappy. Step parents have very little benefit for children, even the good ones.

Agreed agreed! 100% spot on!

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/01/2025 17:23

An ex of a friend moved some random into her house. He coincidentally fell in love with mum while being borderline homeless, which is so often the case.

The DD has gone from a sunny, fun, sweet child who always wore flowery dresses and summer colours to a sad young woman who wears 'boys' clothes and hides herself away. I suspect I know what has happened and have spoken to dad and given him advice on what to do.

Mum is oblivious and treats her DD by turns as a confidant and an annoyance. THAT'S the thing not to do. There are a lot of unsafe men in the world and the easiest way to abuse a child is to live with the child's mum.

LaPam · 15/01/2025 16:56

The problem with waiting until your kids are 18 is that by then you may be too old, too set on your ways and there would be far less prospects.

The problem of waiting a year to introduce the children is that if your partner ends out not getting along with the children, it will be more difficult to send him flying, especially if he is a very nice man in many other aspects.

New relationships are not always in detriment of your children, your kids may love having your new partner around and get along with step siblings like a house on fire. It is not unheard of. I have seen blended families working beautifully. Yes l, they may have the occasional problem as any “unblended” family would but in general do well, it doesn’t have to be misery all the time.

user243245346 · 15/01/2025 16:48

eester · 21/11/2023 15:28

there's a lot of judgement towards single parents in general, e.g. nasty comments about them "making the wrong choice" of partner, or having a go at them for claiming benefits or because some can't work full time or would find working full time incredibly difficult there is usually some horrible comment about those things.

The judgement is real unfortunately.

Yes i is see a lot of this. Especially "never married" single parents- a poster once told me I should have had an abortion. I'm a hard working professional who has never claimed benefits and does a reasonable job of child rearing

dontcryformeargentina · 15/01/2025 16:45

MyProudHare · 15/01/2025 15:53

Where's the evidence for '100x more likely', please? Because that's not what I get when I Google.

theconversation.com/the-cinderella-effect-are-stepfathers-dangerous-103707

ISaidOopsUpsideYourHead · 15/01/2025 16:45

dontcryformeargentina · 15/01/2025 09:08

Google the Cinderella effect. The child is 100 times is more likely to be abused by a step parent than by biological parent. So before giving in to your 'urges' , ask yourself - is it worth putting my child at risk?

This was my mother's take, when my father left her when I was 11, in the mid-eighties, and I am very grateful she took this stance. As is she - she says she has no regrets at all.

Terfosaurus · 15/01/2025 16:38

BettyBardMacDonald · 15/01/2025 14:51

This.

If people fail to make a go of the relationship (or lack thereof) that produced the children, it's their duty to do without until the children are grown.

No one is forced to bear children. Doing so and then traumatizing them with the introduction, sometimes repeatedly, of strangers into their lives and homes is reprehensible. Especially when the single parent has a history of making poor choices.

No one is going to die from not dating.

I didn't "fail" to make a go of the relationship that my children come from. He did. I tried everything. He still fucked off.

Yet I should have to be single forever? I, not forever, until my DC are grown? Should the same rule apply to their Dad?

I'm actually happily single at the moment. FWIW. But I shouldn't have to be.

MyProudHare · 15/01/2025 15:57

StarDolphins · 15/01/2025 14:17

As long as they are loved & well looked after?! That’s a basic isn’t it? What about what they do & don’t want and their happiness, does that not matter?

Edited

Are you genuinely quibbling with those poster's very considerate, well thought out message? No of course it isn't all about what children 'want'. Mine 'want' to eat McDonald's every day.

That post advocated putting your children first, loving and caring for them.

MyProudHare · 15/01/2025 15:53

dontcryformeargentina · 15/01/2025 09:08

Google the Cinderella effect. The child is 100 times is more likely to be abused by a step parent than by biological parent. So before giving in to your 'urges' , ask yourself - is it worth putting my child at risk?

Where's the evidence for '100x more likely', please? Because that's not what I get when I Google.

Petra42 · 15/01/2025 15:28

Newsingle · 15/01/2025 14:06

To be honest, as a lone parent this site has terrified me as to the idea of dating again now I have a child.

@winterday1991 I know I'm strong, I spend ALL my time either at work or looking after ds. I have a hobby and friends and a full life. I know I don't NEED a man. But it would be really nice to meet someone and have that romantic love in my life the way all my friends and family have in theirs. Why as a lone parent do you think I don't deserve that?

@Newsingle mumsnet can be an bunch of vipers. I'd say the key point is date but don't move anyone in. I don't even do overnights unless the weekend if I have childcare. But I choose this option. My problem is my partner wants more time but I haven't got that time free! I'd have been quite happy to date casually if honest.

Uricon2 · 15/01/2025 15:14

My mother met my stepfather (who adopted me) when I was quite a small baby and they dated ( very regularly) for a year before she introduced him to me. No other father in the picture at all and they didn't live together until they married when I was 2.5, went on to have my siblings. Mum always said that she had to be certain before he was in my life permanently, both about him and that the relationship would last. This was the early 60s.

It was probably made easier than it would be for many single parents today because we were living with my grandparents (built in babysitters) and they met through work, so there was a fair bit of provenance, rather more than via an app.

I just think anyone dating with children needs to be very, very careful and take things slowly. The risk of a step parent being abusive is real, but a revolving door of adults who are highly significant one day and gone forever the next can be nothing other than damaging IMO.

Costcolover · 15/01/2025 15:08

MrsTerryPratchett · 15/01/2025 14:24

It's not single mums getting a hard time. It's single mums who:

Introduce a new 'partner' (boyfriend) within a short period.
Move in with a partner very soon, giving up their independence.
Let a partner move in with them too soon; a strange man in the house is about the most dangerous thing you can do to kids.
Put partners' needs above kids' needs.
Put up with abusive or shitty behaviour in order to have a partner.
Become the house elf for said partners' children at the expense of hers.
Let said partner 'parent' her children in a crap way.
Let said partner fall out with (typically) the eldest boy once he becomes a teenager (like a blinking lion pride). Or the eldest girl once she has opinions and her own mind.
Have a new baby and act like that is the important child.
Treat the different children differently.
Prioritise anyone but the existing children.

Avoid those, and almost all my single parent friends have, great!

But if you can't avoid those, don't date.

As a lone parent I have never and would never, ever do any of this! I know many do though. It’s very sad.

Costcolover · 15/01/2025 15:03

Didimum · 15/01/2025 08:42

I’m in two minds about this as I can’t imagine how lonely being a single parent is and how you must long for intimacy and companionship, or just downright fun. It’s unreasonable to expect anyone to be a nun for a decade.

However I do also tend to believe that new relationships do, by and large, cause detriment to the children. I think it’s very rare indeed that a step parent or boyfriend enters the scene who is a true light in the children’s lives that they were otherwise lacking. In most cases I think it’s awkward, upsetting and unsettling, which is really tough on a young person who has already, most likely, had to cope with the loss of their family unit.

It’s a tricky one.

I've been a 'nun' for 9 years now and don't intend to date until DD is 18 at the very least so I've got another 8/9 years.
Many reasons but the two biggest are that I'm a lone parent with the father no longer with us, so she's with me 7 days a week and have literally nobody to call on for overnight childcare. So I'd never be able to spend the night with anyone I dated. Also, my DD already has all the natural pitfalls of having a DM with a severe (and in many ways, restrictive to her) disability, so the last thing she needs is a potentially heartbroken mummy or a distracted mummy as well. She deserves all of me. She’s been through enough.

Even if I could date though, I absolutely wouldn’t introduce them for a minimum of a year, possibly two. Although I’m not sure a blended family would ever be for me, personally.

BettyBardMacDonald · 15/01/2025 14:51

StarDolphins · 15/01/2025 13:51

In the interest of honesty, yes I do judge single parents for introducing their new man to their kids too soon. My opinion is that kids safety & happiness should come first before my happiness. That doesn’t mean don’t date, it means keep it separate for a long time.

Time & time again, I see (on here & irl) kids being forced to quickly live with another man other than their dad, just because mum ‘shouldn’t be expected to stay single forever’.

This.

If people fail to make a go of the relationship (or lack thereof) that produced the children, it's their duty to do without until the children are grown.

No one is forced to bear children. Doing so and then traumatizing them with the introduction, sometimes repeatedly, of strangers into their lives and homes is reprehensible. Especially when the single parent has a history of making poor choices.

No one is going to die from not dating.

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