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To take my toddler to a psychologist

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Whyisitsosohard · 19/11/2023 08:40

I acknowledge my 2.5 YO is what most MN users would consider naughty but everyone I speak to in real life says her behaviour is typical for a toddler. My biggest concerns are her hitting (me, her sister, the pets) and bedtime refusal.

She doesn't nap and is exhausted by 7 but she shouts and screams every time we try and leave the room. We've had the same routine since birth. Invariably I lose my temper after 12 hours of being shouted no at.

We struggle to implement consequences because there's nothing she cares about us taking away (tv, toys etc). We explain every time why hitting is wrong or why she needs sleep. Her communication is excellent so I don't think that's what's frustrating her. We praise good behaviour all the time so it's not as if we're always telling her off.

Nothing has changed recently and nursery haven't said they have any specific issues but always refer to her as headstrong, spirited etc so I'm sure they also find her a PITA at times. I want her to grow up to be a kind person but I'm scared she's walking all over us.

My therapist is also qualified in child psychology and has offered a joint session. Aibu to accept?

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MajesticWhine · 19/11/2023 09:45

Your psychologist might see what your parenting style is like if you attend together, and so might be able to give some pointers, so it might be helpful.

Whyisitsosohard · 19/11/2023 09:39

On nursery days she'll occasionally nap but mostly because the other kids do. Often she'll just lie down and rest apparently. She's feral when she gets home. Totally exhausted so I'm willing to let most bad behaviour go.

When she's home all day she is also so tired by evening but honestly her behaviour is bad irrespective of whether she's napped or not or eaten well or not.

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Dishwashersaurous · 19/11/2023 09:37

Thought sister might be younger. Jealousy at the baby is also likely to be part of this subconsciously.

This is all completely normal but tiring

Quartz2208 · 19/11/2023 09:36

Moving snack time forward might help. Does she eat at nursery or come home and eat
is there a difference on nursery and home days does she nap there

over tired and over hungry are the biggest triggers for things (for everyone) and minimising those happening is always a good first step

Whyisitsosohard · 19/11/2023 09:31

We used to do dinner at 5 but she said she wasn't hungry. We do aim for 5.30 but it's often 6 by the time she's finished. We then do bath around 6.15 and stories at 6.45. Nursery is 3 days a week and she goes between 830 and 430. Sister is younger.

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Quartz2208 · 19/11/2023 09:27

If you aren’t successful at the 1pm nap remove it. Bring the snack foward to 1:30 then at 4:40/5 dinner. Start bedtime at 6:30 so when she hits the exhausted 7 she is settled. Currently she must be getting over tired and over hungry then wanting to sleep when full.

howshouldibehave · 19/11/2023 09:25

My therapist is also qualified in child psychology

What qualification? Do they have a
doctorate in educational psychology or did they do a psychology degree?

Talking to someone else might give you a different perspective on this, I guess.

Quartz2208 · 19/11/2023 09:24

That is a late dinner and 3.5 hours between food. A 6pm dinner means she needs 1.5 to 2 hours really to digest to not impact on sleep. Are you taking her straight up after food

how long is she at nursery

Dishwashersaurous · 19/11/2023 09:19

And is sister younger or older?

SgtJuneAckland · 19/11/2023 09:16

That was about the age we implemented a marble jar. We day with DS and Alex him what he thought were nice ways to behave/good things for people to do, he came up with being helpful, using listening ears, having kind hands etc (lots of nursery language) we then suggested a few getting dressed nicely for bed, brushing teeth n nicely with mummy/daddy etc since have dropped off been added over the years depending on behavioural changes. He gets marbles for good behaviours, now it's things like getting himself dressed for school etc. When the jar is full he gets a small treat, it might be a book, or a ne colour of.playdough or a hot wheels car. This generally happens about once a month. He can also lose marbles but after a few times the reminder that if a behaviour continues he will lose marbles , is enough. The big jar sits on top of his wardrobe in his bedroom so it's a very visual reminder. He will actually come to me when I'm cleaning/cooking etc and say mummy is there anything I can do to be helpful?
He is a very headstrong child

Dishwashersaurous · 19/11/2023 09:14

And also schedule away time for yourself so you get a break. Eg if you've been looking after child all day then partner does bedtime and you go out for a walk/swim/yoga/supermarket. And then vice versa

Whyisitsosohard · 19/11/2023 09:12

We've got a gro clock but will try a sticker chart as she does love them. I'm not staying with her to sleep. We've got a 6 month old and I only get an hour to myself by the time I've got to go to bed. She wakes around 6/630 breakfast straight away then lunch at 1130 (same as nursery) and dinner at 6. She has a morning and afternoon snack at 9 and 2.30ish. We always try and get her to nap around 1 but are rarely successful. She has a tonne of outside time and endless exercise. Screen time isn't ideal but I need it.

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WhichIsItWendy · 19/11/2023 09:12

If honestly sounds completely normal OP. I've had three children, all very different personalities. Some children are just more testing than others at a young age, it doesn't mean it'll stay that way.

She doesn't want to go to bed? That's is SO normal! And hitting can be too.

It doesn't hurt to keep an eye on it, but I really don't think it warrants a therapist.

Also - if you take your child to a therapist, make sure they're qualified to support paediatrics (children).

Summermeadowflowers · 19/11/2023 09:11

Exactly. It’s a push back because, as some see it, children are brats who need forcing into line.

No one approach works all of the time. I don’t think I have a ‘style’ as such and I have no issue being firm when I need to, but what I do find is that a lot of the time on here someone struggling with a toddler is just told something unhelpful like ‘you PARENT them’ without acknowledging that parenting is really hard! Or, there is currently a lot of advice about strapping unwilling children into pushchairs to force them into compliance. Obviously sometimes you have to but it isn’t what I’d call a parenting strategy as such, it’s just forcing a child into a pushchair.

Toddlers are tough going and can be very defiant and stubborn. It’s easy to think everyone else’s is compliant and easy and they aren’t, and you panic and think you’re doing something awfully wrong. Impulse control is very poorly developed with toddlers and many don’t get it until close to 3. So some behaviour is literally like disciplining a baby for crying or wanting a night feed, they can’t help it.

My point here isn’t that any one approach is right or wrong but just that toddlers are hard and one thing won’t ‘change’ then. It just gets easier, gradually Smile

Antsinmypantsneedtodance · 19/11/2023 09:11

Wolfiefan · 19/11/2023 08:52

I would focus more on strategies to help you deal with the behaviour.

This.

Parent of a spirited head atrong toddler here. Hitting is a phase. Shes over it mostly. Children at this age don't have impulse control. So anger often takes hold.

It sounds to me like you need some strategies to parent and parent with connection. Threatening a 2 year old whether you follow through or not is just creating a barrier between the two of you. Why are you threatening her? Because shes over tired and can't control her emotions fully and is acting in an age normative way? Imagine how you'd feel in that position.

Have the therapy. But have it for you. Learn strategies to de-esculate the situation when dealing with meltdowns. Consider altering bedtimes and sleep routines too, look. For support if you need it. Maybe 7 too late with no nap. Also why are you leaving the room? How long does she take to drop off with you there? If not long i'd just lay with her, shes only 2. You may also find if you can deal with the connection the sleep improves. Looking at it logically a child who feels unnconected to their caregiver and unloved is going to cling on more tightly. If shes feeling emotionally secure she may be happier to be left.

Dishwashersaurous · 19/11/2023 09:10

The other thing with a headstrong child is to give them lots of controlled choices and remove the chance to say no.

Eg. Put on your coat. Child says no.

Coat or shoes on first? Gives child choice.

It's absolutely exhausting and frustrating to do but will help

ColleenDonaghy · 19/11/2023 09:09

None of that sounds terribly unusual for 2.5. They really can be terrors.

We also had terrible bedtimes at about that age, a groclock and sticker chart helped enormously with the getting ready. Would you not just stay with her til she's asleep? Both of ours needed that at that age.

Lelophants · 19/11/2023 09:09

Have you read this? Some great strategies in there. Also the Whole Brain Child is great.

Also don’t see any harm in seeing a psychologist. Everyone could benefit from one imo.

To take my toddler to a psychologist
Quartz2208 · 19/11/2023 09:08

A consistent routine doesn’t mean it is the right one and it sounds as if it isn’t if it is causing these issues. What are her wake and sleep ties, I know she doesn’t nap either and food times

MyCircumference · 19/11/2023 09:08

it really depends on how you ask the question op
can you walk downstairs?
rather than come here
works better
be positive

MyCircumference · 19/11/2023 09:06

no is a top word for a 2 year old op
then "why" when she is a bit older

MyCircumference · 19/11/2023 09:06

someone needs to point you in the right direction op, which i hope the psychologist will do
otherwise do the nursery have any suggestions?

Whyisitsosohard · 19/11/2023 09:05

Thanks everyone. Honestly our routine is really consistent. I will try the cosy / quiet corner as it's something that was also recommended by my therapist but I do not think she'll use it. She says no to pretty much anything I ask her to do. I see her for anxiety generally for the poster that asked.

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BoredOfBeingTired · 19/11/2023 09:03

Summermeadowflowers · 19/11/2023 08:51

I would take a lot of MN advice around parenting toddlers with a huge pinch of salt.

I think in recent years on here there has been a push back against gentle approaches to parenting and a very authoritative sort of approach has crept back in. I know a lot of toddlers and they all present challenges. It won’t be anything you’re doing, but posts on here can get you anxious and questioning yourself.

The 'push back' against gentle parenting has most likely come about as the result of actually seeing & experiencing the behavior of the little treasures that have walked all over their parents/teachers/other caregivers as they have got older and lived a life of unlimited boundaries.
You can set boundaries and expectations for behavior from a very young age, discipline is not a form of cruelty!!
@Whyisitsosohard toddlers push buttons, its what they do! If you feel you would benefit from taking your child for a session then do it. Personally I wouldn't bother, if nothing changes by 3.5 years I would then consider my options.
For now I would make sure things are consistent and follow the same routine daily (even at weekends for a while). Wake up at the same time, meals at the same time, bath and bed at the same time etc. Take everything back to basics and see if that helps her settle.

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