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To think State education is really poor?

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Boswelian · 17/11/2023 19:55

We sent our eldest to a taster day at a private school. He was agog. His school don't allow playing on the grass when it's wet. The private school change them into waterproofs and wellies for break. PE 3x a week. Sport every day. Dedicated specialist teaching in art, DT, languages, sciences etc. 16 in a class instead of 30. The difference in the quality of life between the two school has really blown my mind. The state school is "outstanding". The private school reckon DS is 2 years behind their curriculum. We've been told in state that he's meeting expectations. How is this remotely acceptable?

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twistyizzy · 16/05/2024 20:59

HumourM3 · 16/05/2024 20:58

Well we’ll cross that bridge if it happens .If they sort the ridiculous loans system out I could live with that

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But could the students who have to pay the VAT? Way to go to make university even more elitist

Another76543 · 16/05/2024 20:59

HumourM3 · 16/05/2024 20:56

And quite rightly so. Higher education desperately needed funding.

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It needs it now, which is precisely why it’s not inconceivable that the Labour Party will try to increase fees further, especially as they’ve done it before.

HumourM3 · 16/05/2024 20:58

Another76543 · 16/05/2024 20:56

The point is that some people believe there is no chance that the Labour Party will add VAT to university fees. Given the financial situation of universities and Labour’s historical track record, I don’t think we can be sure that the Labour Party won’t try to get more funding by either raising fees further or by adding VAT to them.

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Well we’ll cross that bridge if it happens .If they sort the ridiculous loans system out I could live with that

twistyizzy · 16/05/2024 20:58

HumourM3 · 16/05/2024 20:57

Tory fee paying patemts- again!

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Except I have never and will never vote Tory.
Sorry to burst your narrow minded, prejudiced world view

EasternStandard · 16/05/2024 20:58

HumourM3 · 16/05/2024 20:57

Tory fee paying patemts- again!

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Why are you so pro Labour?

Same reason?

HumourM3 · 16/05/2024 20:57

RampantIvy · 16/05/2024 20:55

There seem to be a lot of Tory supporters on this thread.

Tory fee paying patemts- again!

Another76543 · 16/05/2024 20:56

HumourM3 · 16/05/2024 20:53

Tuition fees are needed, grammar schools
need to go so not sure what your point is.

The point is that some people believe there is no chance that the Labour Party will add VAT to university fees. Given the financial situation of universities and Labour’s historical track record, I don’t think we can be sure that the Labour Party won’t try to get more funding by either raising fees further or by adding VAT to them.

opticalconclusion · 16/05/2024 20:56

RampantIvy · 16/05/2024 20:55

There seem to be a lot of Tory supporters on this thread.

Oh really? Where 🔍?

HumourM3 · 16/05/2024 20:56

Another76543 · 16/05/2024 20:52

Labour have a track record of attacking university education. They introduced tuition fees shortly after coming to power last time.

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And quite rightly so. Higher education desperately needed funding.

EasternStandard · 16/05/2024 20:56

RampantIvy · 16/05/2024 20:55

There seem to be a lot of Tory supporters on this thread.

There seem to be a lot of Labour supporters 🤷‍♀️

RampantIvy · 16/05/2024 20:55

There seem to be a lot of Tory supporters on this thread.

HumourM3 · 16/05/2024 20:53

Tuition fees are needed, grammar schools
need to go so not sure what your point is.

Another76543 · 16/05/2024 20:52

OrchardDoor · 16/05/2024 20:50

They won't. That's just scaremongering. As for the idea that Labour have a history of attacking education. That's just made up by people who are worried about VAT on private education.

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Labour have a track record of attacking university education. They introduced tuition fees shortly after coming to power last time.

twistyizzy · 16/05/2024 20:52

OrchardDoor · 16/05/2024 20:50

They won't. That's just scaremongering. As for the idea that Labour have a history of attacking education. That's just made up by people who are worried about VAT on private education.

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So the facts about Labour + grammar schools plus Labour introducing tuition fess is made up?
OK then.
The whole farce of Labour supporting education is ridiculous when you look at history. Well done for blindly buying into though.

Temporaryanonymity · 16/05/2024 20:52

I’m very happy with my son’s state school 6th form. He’s flourishing. Classes are around 7 or 8. He’s given responsibility through the house system and enthusiastic and clever teachers.

The fabric of the building isn’t great but it’s in beautiful park setting with sea views. University campus next door, with all the sports facilities you could want.

There aren’t any grammar schools in Wales so it’s truly comprehensive, although many choose to go to college at 16.

Another76543 · 16/05/2024 20:50

OrchardDoor · 16/05/2024 20:40

With the 98 Act those families who earned over £35,000 a year would be charged the full fees which amounted to £1,000 a year. The maximum fees rose in line with inflation, reaching £1225 in 2007–08.

Under the Tories fees rose to £9,000 a year for the 2012-13 academic year! (Not means tested)

Since the 2023 changes to student loans, students will repay them for 40 years instead of 30 and many will repay double what those who took loans pre 23 did. It's explained here

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2023/05/martin-lewis-good-morning-britain-student-loans/

An increase to £3000 was announced in 2006 (by the Labour government).

Under the Tories fees rose to £9,000

The Tories didn’t have a majority. They were in coalition with the Lib Dems when this happened.

All 3 of the main parties have played their part in university tuition fees.

OrchardDoor · 16/05/2024 20:50

opticalconclusion · 16/05/2024 20:45

Would you have a problem with uni fees if Labour add VAT on to them?

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They won't. That's just scaremongering. As for the idea that Labour have a history of attacking education. That's just made up by people who are worried about VAT on private education.

opticalconclusion · 16/05/2024 20:45

HumourM3 · 16/05/2024 20:44

I don’t have a problem with uni fees and I definitely don’t have a problem with vat on private education either. I do however have a problem with the current Tory finance system.

Would you have a problem with uni fees if Labour add VAT on to them?

HumourM3 · 16/05/2024 20:44

I don’t have a problem with uni fees and I definitely don’t have a problem with vat on private education either. I do however have a problem with the current Tory finance system.

ladygindiva · 16/05/2024 20:42

Another76543 · 16/05/2024 20:21

No. The Labour Party introduced tuition fees in 1998, the year after they came to power. A couple of years after that, they scrapped maintenance grants for poorer students and introduced loans.

The Lib Dems (who had campaigned for the abolition of tuition fees) then went into coalition with the Conservatives and increased the fees even further. The Conservatives have kept the fees fairly level since 2012 and haven’t increased them in line with inflation.

So, for everyone complaining that the Conservatives aren’t funding state education enough (and I’m absolutely not defending the current situation), the Labour Party have a track record of attacking university education, and the Lib Dems went back on their word with regards to fees as well.

The latest VAT idea is just another attack on another area of education.

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Thankyou

OrchardDoor · 16/05/2024 20:40

With the 98 Act those families who earned over £35,000 a year would be charged the full fees which amounted to £1,000 a year. The maximum fees rose in line with inflation, reaching £1225 in 2007–08.

Under the Tories fees rose to £9,000 a year for the 2012-13 academic year! (Not means tested)

Since the 2023 changes to student loans, students will repay them for 40 years instead of 30 and many will repay double what those who took loans pre 23 did. It's explained here

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2023/05/martin-lewis-good-morning-britain-student-loans/

Another76543 · 16/05/2024 20:28

RampantIvy · 16/05/2024 20:13

I know that Labour introduced tuition fees, but they didn't increase them to £9,000 and then £9,250.

They’d tripled the fees in 2006 though, 8 years after introducing them. Let’s not pretend that the Labour Party haven’t got a history of attacking education!

Another76543 · 16/05/2024 20:21

ladygindiva · 16/05/2024 19:59

I thought it was the libdem Tory coalition

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No. The Labour Party introduced tuition fees in 1998, the year after they came to power. A couple of years after that, they scrapped maintenance grants for poorer students and introduced loans.

The Lib Dems (who had campaigned for the abolition of tuition fees) then went into coalition with the Conservatives and increased the fees even further. The Conservatives have kept the fees fairly level since 2012 and haven’t increased them in line with inflation.

So, for everyone complaining that the Conservatives aren’t funding state education enough (and I’m absolutely not defending the current situation), the Labour Party have a track record of attacking university education, and the Lib Dems went back on their word with regards to fees as well.

The latest VAT idea is just another attack on another area of education.

RampantIvy · 16/05/2024 20:13

I know that Labour introduced tuition fees, but they didn't increase them to £9,000 and then £9,250.

opticalconclusion · 16/05/2024 20:10

RampantIvy · 16/05/2024 20:07

From 2006 fees rose gradually by inflation until 2012 when, under the Coalition Government, tuition fees were raised to £9,000 per year following an independent review of the student finance system by Lord Browne.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8151

Sorry, didn't mean to shout.

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Labour introduced tuition fees 🙄

They also abolished student grants.

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