To think State education is really poor?

So just ASI. Think we’ll need to cross that bridge when it happens.

Good question

Nope economists and researchers also. Look up ASI.

What extra teachers?

Here's a gem of data... There are 570,265 teachers in the UK, according to tes magazine.

Now Schools Weekly found that: just 58% of teachers plan to be in their job in 3 years time... So, 330,753 will be here. Of course new teachers come in, but 6,500 is a drop in the ocean...The issue is retention not recruitment. The Government are spending £1.27 billion in supply teachers.

6500 teachers would only happen if Labour got the projected 1.6 billion from VAT.
ASI paper refuted that and if >10% of DC come out of private (rolls are already 2.7% down) then the net income will be £0. How will Labour then pay for these 6500 teachers?

The ‘outstanding’ state secondary we sent our DD to completely traumatised her. She does have SEN but the environment was like torture. Rowdy classrooms, teachers yelling all the time, kids fighting. Her anxiety made her so ill, they advised us to keep her at home. And so she really learnt very little. We luckily managed to get her a place at a very specialist school that is much more like a private school and she is slowly recovering and attends school every day. I feel terrible for putting her through that state school experience, they just weren’t equipped to help her in the same way that her new school does.

I would be happy to pay more tax to improve education and healthcare. Tax cuts were never the answer.

No the people declaring this are fee paying MNers.

How will it be paid for? The VAT scheme will cost the tax payer money. The only people who think it won’t are those who are comically ill-informed or who conveniently ignore facts.

It is only one policy. Who votes on a single policy? I don't agree that it is fanatical worshipping. Most people are just ready for a change as the current lot have fucked everything up so much.

Lmao are you aware that it's only because of Brexit that Labour can add VAT to education?
It is illegal in the EU. Because they value education there.
Funnily enough it could very well prove a barrier to Labour re-aliging with EU and there will be ECHR challenges.

Give them a chance!

The extra teachers and mental health counsellors they are promising to start with will be a massive improvement to the Tories who have done shit all as regards either MH provision or education.

Will be plenty of time for labour to do more.

All parties have done this. Labour aren't promising any real funding or improvement to state schools.
Stop being blinded by the class warfare angle of pitting Private Vs State and look at the detail. If they were serious about improving state education they would be pledging income tax ie ring fenced for higher rate to raise 10+ billion per year. But they aren't doing that.

It’s means tested and not a big monthly amount at all. An extra £5000 over 40 years will be hardly noticeable.

So what if there are, it's a democratic society...Lennon, Stalin, they don't run this country, I have every right to believe in a different political system to you....if you don't agree then....

The tories have also run state education into the ground.

Ah well we’ve had to put up with the Tory fanatical worshipping of ill thought out policies the past 14 years- Brexit anyone?

Plus interest.

Well the Tories already did triple fees and make loan repayments far more onerous for students, so goodness knows what more they'd do if they stayed in! I'd be far more worried about that then what you are scaremongering that Labour could do.

What £5000 spread over 40 years. I don’t think so.

In the current political climate you aren't allowed to critique any of Labour's policies without being called a Tory. It is deeply worrying the level of fanatical worshipping even when a policy is revealed to be ill thought out and won't achieve what is ntended.

The point is that the Labour Party might not stop at taxing private school fees as many people think. They could well go after university fees next.

Oh wow! I was going to say this.
Social mobility died with the grammar school system....I grew up in the 80s in Bristol under a Labour council. In 1980 242 kids sat down on the 1st day.at my school. In 1987 1 (one) went to university at 18... I had more chance of being a teenage mum (I'm male) at 4 by 16. Several (at least 6 I have found) went to university after. They paid their own way...no grants for the real working class.

so I grew up in a real working class area, so working class my grandfer and father and uncles were excluded from an industry the family had worked in for over 200 years because of politics....and my local school system, ran by socialists did over the kids too...who's voting Labour now?

Just because some posters are pointing out the flaws in the Labour Party’s proposed policy doesn’t automatically mean they’re Tory supporters.

Yes. We’re thinking about uni fees now. A few years in advance. I dread to think 🙈

Ok and your point is?