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To think that killing 6 children - should have a longer sentence!

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Whiteday · 15/11/2023 16:28

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-67427340

An absolute disgrace!

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x2boys · 15/11/2023 17:49

LakeTiticaca · 15/11/2023 17:22

They clearly didn't intend to kill those poor children but unfortunately the lack of brain cells made them think they would easily be able to get the kids out.
Glad Mairead is out though, she was also a victim of the vile piece of excrement that is Mick Philpott

I agree they didn't intend to.kill.the children ,but Mick was a dangerous mix of very arrogant and not very intelligent
I think Mariead,is culpable though
Yes she might have been under Micks,influence but she knew what she was doing .

tuvamoodyson · 15/11/2023 17:44

Whiteday · 15/11/2023 17:33

Yes! I had a cappuccino around 3 pm.

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Then don’t have any more….

caringcarer · 15/11/2023 17:41

JellyMops · 15/11/2023 17:05

I actually think our sentences are too long and not enough (any) money is spent on rehabilitation. What does locking someone up for life achieve except a massive bill for tax payers? If they are not a danger get them out there earning money and paying tax. I see that as a better way of paying their debt to society, by repaying the actual money spent! It's not as if it works as a deterrent, the countries with the shortest prison sentences also have the least crime.

People like the scumbag who killed James Bulger was given a new identity, let out and given a second chance. He just reoffended.

caringcarer · 15/11/2023 17:40

Well I agree with a death sentence for murder, especially of a child, let alone more. We are way too soft in this country. I don't think it's fair he lives after taking others lives.

ilovesooty · 15/11/2023 17:39

MrsSchrute · 15/11/2023 17:34

Totally agree.
Posts like this are never about the conversation though, they're all about who can be the most outraged.

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They always attract people praying for vigilante retribution too.

MumblesParty · 15/11/2023 17:36

JellyMops · 15/11/2023 17:05

I actually think our sentences are too long and not enough (any) money is spent on rehabilitation. What does locking someone up for life achieve except a massive bill for tax payers? If they are not a danger get them out there earning money and paying tax. I see that as a better way of paying their debt to society, by repaying the actual money spent! It's not as if it works as a deterrent, the countries with the shortest prison sentences also have the least crime.

What job would you suggest for someone who murdered 6 children? Needs to be a good enough job to pay some tax. I worry about the moral compass of someone who can do that, so I'm not sure what role I'd want them to be in. Certainly nothing that involved dealing with the public or having any kind of power to inflict harm, directly or indirectly. Suggestions please

MrsSchrute · 15/11/2023 17:34

JellyMops · 15/11/2023 17:05

I actually think our sentences are too long and not enough (any) money is spent on rehabilitation. What does locking someone up for life achieve except a massive bill for tax payers? If they are not a danger get them out there earning money and paying tax. I see that as a better way of paying their debt to society, by repaying the actual money spent! It's not as if it works as a deterrent, the countries with the shortest prison sentences also have the least crime.

Totally agree.
Posts like this are never about the conversation though, they're all about who can be the most outraged.

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Whiteday · 15/11/2023 17:33

tescocreditcard · 15/11/2023 17:23

OP have you been drinking?

Yes! I had a cappuccino around 3 pm.

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ManateeFair · 15/11/2023 17:28

All court cases are extremely complicated. The aggravating and mitigating factors, the motive, and the precise role played by each person, in comparison to the others involved, all affect sentencing. Paul Mosley and Mairead Philpott were deemed to have played a lesser role in the crime than Mick Philpott, so Mick Philpott got life and Mairead Philpott (who was released three years ago, FYI) and Mosley got a lesser sentence.

Unless you were actually in the court room to hear the full details of the case and the aggravating and mitigating factors. You can't base a justice system on kneejerk reactions to headlines.

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Whiteday · 15/11/2023 17:24

MrsMiddleMother · 15/11/2023 17:22

I agree OP, it's shocking how low the sentences they got, 6 children died ffs and anyone who had an part in their deaths should spend the rest of their day's in prison. But I get that's not 'how the sentencing works'. The people of Derby will never forgive or forget.

Totally!

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tescocreditcard · 15/11/2023 17:23

OP have you been drinking?

AuntieJoyce · 15/11/2023 17:22

It's not as if it works as a deterrent, the countries with the shortest prison sentences also have the least crime

that’s correlation, not necessarily causation.

MrsMiddleMother · 15/11/2023 17:22

I agree OP, it's shocking how low the sentences they got, 6 children died ffs and anyone who had an part in their deaths should spend the rest of their day's in prison. But I get that's not 'how the sentencing works'. The people of Derby will never forgive or forget.

LakeTiticaca · 15/11/2023 17:22

They clearly didn't intend to kill those poor children but unfortunately the lack of brain cells made them think they would easily be able to get the kids out.
Glad Mairead is out though, she was also a victim of the vile piece of excrement that is Mick Philpott

backtowinter · 15/11/2023 17:21

JellyMops · 15/11/2023 17:05

I actually think our sentences are too long and not enough (any) money is spent on rehabilitation. What does locking someone up for life achieve except a massive bill for tax payers? If they are not a danger get them out there earning money and paying tax. I see that as a better way of paying their debt to society, by repaying the actual money spent! It's not as if it works as a deterrent, the countries with the shortest prison sentences also have the least crime.

This is very true

It's a difficult balance between punishment and rehabilitation

JellyMops · 15/11/2023 17:20

Whiteday · 15/11/2023 17:09

For some crimes maybe, for killing six children I don't agree.

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I can understand why you feel like that but I firmly believe that the criminal justice system should be based on rehabilitation, not vengeance.

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Whiteday · 15/11/2023 17:19

@UndertheCedartree I can still rant! Lots of people do on AIBU. Do you say that to everyone?

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UndertheCedartree · 15/11/2023 17:16

JellyMops · 15/11/2023 17:05

I actually think our sentences are too long and not enough (any) money is spent on rehabilitation. What does locking someone up for life achieve except a massive bill for tax payers? If they are not a danger get them out there earning money and paying tax. I see that as a better way of paying their debt to society, by repaying the actual money spent! It's not as if it works as a deterrent, the countries with the shortest prison sentences also have the least crime.

I completely agree. Many/most prison sentences are just pointless. And often do more harm than good.

UndertheCedartree · 15/11/2023 17:14

Whiteday · 15/11/2023 16:54

@Flickersy so I can't have a conversation about my thoughts? Unless I do as you dictate? Give over, it's a topic of conversation.

I don't need to do anything!

But if you're not prepared to do anything about it - does it really mean that much to you? I mean it's fine ranting on here but it's not going to make any difference.

VanityDiesHard · 15/11/2023 17:12

JellyMops · 15/11/2023 17:05

I actually think our sentences are too long and not enough (any) money is spent on rehabilitation. What does locking someone up for life achieve except a massive bill for tax payers? If they are not a danger get them out there earning money and paying tax. I see that as a better way of paying their debt to society, by repaying the actual money spent! It's not as if it works as a deterrent, the countries with the shortest prison sentences also have the least crime.

I don't agree entirely. I sort of do, in that I think that non violent crimes shouldn't carry a custodial sentence, and that rape and murder should routinely attract whole life tarriffs.

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Whiteday · 15/11/2023 17:09

JellyMops · 15/11/2023 17:05

I actually think our sentences are too long and not enough (any) money is spent on rehabilitation. What does locking someone up for life achieve except a massive bill for tax payers? If they are not a danger get them out there earning money and paying tax. I see that as a better way of paying their debt to society, by repaying the actual money spent! It's not as if it works as a deterrent, the countries with the shortest prison sentences also have the least crime.

For some crimes maybe, for killing six children I don't agree.

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JellyMops · 15/11/2023 17:05

I actually think our sentences are too long and not enough (any) money is spent on rehabilitation. What does locking someone up for life achieve except a massive bill for tax payers? If they are not a danger get them out there earning money and paying tax. I see that as a better way of paying their debt to society, by repaying the actual money spent! It's not as if it works as a deterrent, the countries with the shortest prison sentences also have the least crime.

backtowinter · 15/11/2023 17:04

Whiteday · 15/11/2023 16:56

@Flickersy you don't dictate to me, what I should do...... move on!

Your posts seem very rude

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Whiteday · 15/11/2023 17:03

Dowhadiddydiddydum · 15/11/2023 17:01

I agree I’m surprised the original sentance wasn’t longer. 6 lives!!! But I suppose if he is deemed not to be a danger or deemed that his risk can be managed in society there’s no point keeping him there.

Ive known people, mainly IPP sentances, who did a lot longer for much lesser crimes.

I wonder what rehabilitative work he has done. Aside from rehabilitation the length of time just doesn’t feel long enough for the loss of 6 lives.

Exactly! Just not long enough.

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Whiteday · 15/11/2023 17:02

Needmorelego · 15/11/2023 17:00

The UK legal system is terrible. Life should be LIFE.
Throw away the key.
Bastard. As someone upthread hopefully someone will "get" him.

Sooner rather than later hopefully!

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