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Stingy husband

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AgentDanaScully · 15/11/2023 13:31

First time posting, so please be gentle (but honest!) My husband has always been overly cautious with money. He had quite a modest upbringing (definitely no growing up with a silver spoon in his mouth or handouts from the bank of mum and dad) and everything he has, he has earned, which I respect greatly. I work almost full time and have a good salary but he still earns about 3 times more than me. We both work hard and paid off our mortgage several years ago (we've been together 18 years and bought our first house 16 years ago).
We should be able to enjoy life more, but he is obsessed by saving! He wants to retire early, as do I, but there needs to be a balance. Other than a joint account for household bills/food etc, which we both pay into proportionate to income, we have always kept separate finances (his decision). For the last 12 years, I have paid for most of our two children's clothes, uniforms, and most of their activities (until I asked him to pay for some of their clubs a few years back as I was on a lower salary back then and constantly ending the month with nothing in my account, while he had loads of disposable income available). Last month, I showed him my personal account statement to evidence how many things I buy for the children and how little I spend on myself. He was a bit sheepish and offered to pay for the cleaner (another expense I have solely paid for the last 10 years) and the cat's food! He has now finally agreed that things for the children can come out of the joint account and we both top it up 50:50 at the end of the month. I questioned as to why it took this long for him to realise that the previous system was unfair, and he didn't really have an answer.
After I had my second child (now 10), I would've loved to have had a career break to be at home with her for a year or two, knowing we had the means to do it, but there was no commitment to sharing finances from my husband...he said it would be easier to have one parent stay at home, but when I asked him how this would work in practicality, say if I needed my hair cut or new clothes, and he laughed and said "oh, I'll give you a handout". I would've been reduced to asking him for money so I ended up leaving the career I had at the time as it wasn't compatible with family life and trying to set up a business whilst juggling two young children.
I am not by any stretch of the imagination a frivolous spender...I go to the hairdresser's two/three times a year and only buy new clothes (high street) when something literally wears out! The thought of having to ask him for the basics was too humiliating...this still grates on me all these years later.
I would love for us to move house which we can easily afford, but my husband is not interested. I am always careful what I order in restaurants as I still remember an incident years ago, when he criticised me for choosing the most expensive dish on the menu (I chose it because it was what I wanted to eat!) He wants to squirrel as much money away as possible, even though I have pointed out that life is short (my Mum died at 68) and sometimes, you have to live a bit in the here and now. I feel like he has the ultimate control on the purse strings because he is the one who contributes the most money (he pretty much said this at one point) and if he doesn't think something for the family is worthy of spending on, it doesn't happen. He is squirreling away crazy amounts into his pension, which he says will support us both to retire early before my pension kicks in. I worry about what will happen 20 years down the line as to how much he will dictate what we spend it on.
I get that I am in a very fortunate situation with everything going on in the world and I apologise if my post offends anyone. However, I am starting to wonder whether my husband is using finances as a means of control. He is a wonderful person in most other ways and an amazing Dad, but this is coming between us.
Is he right to want more control over the finances as he continues the most, or am I the one being unreasonable?

OP posts:
Quitelikeit · 16/11/2023 12:45

You have been very tolerant. This arrangement is very unfair and you will (quite rightly) be seething with resentment until you find a better way forward.

What I hate hate hate about these posts is their greed towards their kids - some financially tight men are actually generous to their children but not their wife.

This man must have thousands squirrelled away. And to think he wouldn’t even entertain the idea of moving home - I mean are you guys even living?! Do you have holidays? Eat out?

What is the point? Do you know how much he has in savings?

hookiewookie29 · 16/11/2023 12:40

What a controlling, stingy man!
Think ahead to when he's retired.....
You think he's bad at the moment, he'll be 100 times worse by then!

TheChosenTwo · 16/11/2023 12:38

Wow. I’m shocked that this has dragged on for as long as this.
I don’t often say this as it’s rarely helpful and there is always a grey area we don’t know about between the black and white, but I genuinely couldn’t live like this. Not for one minute. I would be divorcing him asap.
DH and I have totally separate finances. Always have and always will, I make no secret about protecting myself - no one can predict the future.
However we have always shared expenses. Household stuff and kids stuff. He pays more as he outearns me considerably. But it’s an arrangement we are both happy with and allows us both to put the same amount into our own savings. We both pay a ratio of our incomes into the bills account, into our joint household account, joint savings accounts, and we both know how much we each earn.
I’m shocked that he was happy for you to pay for everything without putting his hand in his pocket. What a tight arse. Along with poor hygiene and liars this is my top most hated trait in anyone. Horrible.

brokenhearted2 · 16/11/2023 12:32

OP he is awful. Just AWFUL. He thinks you should pay for the dc hobby as it is something you like and not him??? The deal retrospective? I'm sorry but no way could I be married to this person. I would seriously be icked out by him. Suggest he rethinks his position on retrospective as a) the money you have saved him is currently not retrospectively sitting in his bank account and b) a divorce is going to cost him a fuck of a lot more than repaying the past 10 years and contributing fairly now.

Rozenwater567 · 16/11/2023 12:30

billy1966 · 16/11/2023 12:13

A divorce settlement will however be retrospective. 😙

Yea that’s a much a better response!
😁👍

brokenhearted2 · 16/11/2023 12:28

He need to start by paying you back his share of all the joint expenses you covered. Because it's only in HIS savings account because you paid. So it's literally your money in his account. If he won't do this then he's not fully committed to equality at all. He, the higher earner, is scrounging off you. The lower earner who sacrificed her career prospects and pension for him to have a family without losing financially. If he can't see this then it's because he doesn't want to see it .

ladeluge · 16/11/2023 12:26

Ugh, being miserly, tight and mean like this is absolutely one of the worst traits in a person. Add in control and you've got the full package.

I'd have been gone years ago. Easy for me to say, but I definitely couldn't carry on like this.

Divorce him, then he will have to sacrifice some of his precious savings. I don't mean to sound glib, but you will be better off and have far more confidence, self esteem and freedom from this tight arsed excuse for a person.

ManateeFair · 16/11/2023 12:23

Onelifeonly22 · 16/11/2023 12:20

This is awful to read OP. He is financially abusive as others have said. It should not be 50:50 for children's things - it should be relative to income. He also needs to give you a lump sum into your savings/pension to make up for the fact that it hasn't the case in the years past and to make you good for any periods of unpaid/lower paid maternity leave. I agree with the others that you need full transparency but also to consider whether you really want to be with someone like this - who doesn't view you as an equal, is ungenerous to the point of unkindness and who doesn't want to spend money available on something that brings your kids joy and teaches them good life skills. I'm so sorry this has been your experience. I actually think he may need counselling but would guess he wouldn't be open to this - especially if he'd have to pay..

All. Of. This.

ManateeFair · 16/11/2023 12:22

Why the actual fucking hell would the children's clothes, activities etc have ever NOT come out of the joint account?! They're his children, yes? Did you ever ask him? Was this not discussed when they were born? He refused, for 12 years, to contribute to his own children's school uniform costs?

I'm honestly gobsmacked that this went on for 12 years.

Also, even a 50-50 arrangement is not fair when one person earns three times what the other person does. My DP earns more than I do and we split joint expenses along those lines - for us it's about 65-35 at the moment.

Your husband is an arsehole. This is either financial abuse or something close to it.

pointythings · 16/11/2023 12:20

He is and always will be a mean spirited miser and a financial abuser. Honestly, unless he accepts massive change, I wouldn't stay. The DC's activities should be paid for in proportion to your relative earnings, not 50/50. They are his children too. The same must apply to household costs. If he won't go for that, run.

Onelifeonly22 · 16/11/2023 12:20

This is awful to read OP. He is financially abusive as others have said. It should not be 50:50 for children's things - it should be relative to income. He also needs to give you a lump sum into your savings/pension to make up for the fact that it hasn't the case in the years past and to make you good for any periods of unpaid/lower paid maternity leave. I agree with the others that you need full transparency but also to consider whether you really want to be with someone like this - who doesn't view you as an equal, is ungenerous to the point of unkindness and who doesn't want to spend money available on something that brings your kids joy and teaches them good life skills. I'm so sorry this has been your experience. I actually think he may need counselling but would guess he wouldn't be open to this - especially if he'd have to pay..

LateAF · 16/11/2023 12:19

AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 11:54

Another thing that has irked me recently is that he had a stack of cash in the house (a couple of hundred I think from things he sold on eBay) and said he'd use this to pay the cleaner rather than taking it to the bank. I then noticed he was drawing the same amount out of our joint account and paying it to himself to ensure I was covering 'my' half. I questioned whether that was a bit petty of him, given that I had solely paid for the cleaner for the last 10 years, and he just said "the arrangement isn't retrospective"!!

That would be a deal breaker for me. His response shows he does not give a shit about you.

How dare he treat you like that- makes me so upset on your behalf.

billy1966 · 16/11/2023 12:13

Rozenwater567 · 16/11/2023 12:11

😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

I think my next words would have been:

“Mmmm in that case I will be re-thinking my future”

A divorce settlement will however be retrospective. 😙

Rozenwater567 · 16/11/2023 12:11

AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 11:54

Another thing that has irked me recently is that he had a stack of cash in the house (a couple of hundred I think from things he sold on eBay) and said he'd use this to pay the cleaner rather than taking it to the bank. I then noticed he was drawing the same amount out of our joint account and paying it to himself to ensure I was covering 'my' half. I questioned whether that was a bit petty of him, given that I had solely paid for the cleaner for the last 10 years, and he just said "the arrangement isn't retrospective"!!

😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

I think my next words would have been:

“Mmmm in that case I will be re-thinking my future”

billy1966 · 16/11/2023 12:10

AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 11:54

Another thing that has irked me recently is that he had a stack of cash in the house (a couple of hundred I think from things he sold on eBay) and said he'd use this to pay the cleaner rather than taking it to the bank. I then noticed he was drawing the same amount out of our joint account and paying it to himself to ensure I was covering 'my' half. I questioned whether that was a bit petty of him, given that I had solely paid for the cleaner for the last 10 years, and he just said "the arrangement isn't retrospective"!!

Kindly meant but just more deliberate abuse.

This is who he is.

Get legal advice.

A good solicitor and a forensic accountant will find all his money, together with his pension will ensure you have a comfortable future without this mean, ugly, abusive man.

How on earth do you have sex with such a man?🤢

Total libido killer.

If he is mean now, don't kid yourself that retirement will be any better.

This is who he is.

Your poor children with that as a father.
They will be better off with you and half the family assets.

Good legal advice is key.

Rozenwater567 · 16/11/2023 12:08

Heavens I am utterly outraged on your behalf that you are paying for the cleaner solely out of your wages op and that the dc extra curricular expenses are almost all paid by you too.

I can see how this situation creeps up on you though as my dh earns more than three times my wage so has become somehow “in charge” of finances.

billy1966 · 16/11/2023 12:06

OP,

Your whole marriage and relationship is a complete lie.

You are married to a financially abusive man who knows EXACTLY what he has been doing.

He has happily behaved like this because he is mean, abusive and controlling.

I strongly suggest you get every bit of paperwork together that you can find.

His national insurance number etc.

Get every bit of information you can get about bank accounts, investments and pensions.

Assemble them somewhere safe.

Contrary to what you have written he is a shit father and a shit husband.

Good decent men don't financially abuse their wives and pay nothing towards their children.

Abusive arseholes do.

When you have all the paperwork together, give some serious thought to whether you really want to be married to and go forward to retirement, possibly be a carer to a man who has financially abused you and your children for years.

In your place I would give it to him with both barrels.

Insist on marriage counselling and some solo counselling for yourself.

That he hands over 50% of ALL savings to your account now.

If he refuses you have your answer....that is, he has deliberately abused you and your children to his own advantage throughout your marriage.

Just because he wasn't physically assaulting you, doesn't mean you haven't been abused.

Do not fall for his faux embarrassment at you challenging him about the costs of the children, he has known well what he was doing.

He is a disgrace.

AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 11:54

Another thing that has irked me recently is that he had a stack of cash in the house (a couple of hundred I think from things he sold on eBay) and said he'd use this to pay the cleaner rather than taking it to the bank. I then noticed he was drawing the same amount out of our joint account and paying it to himself to ensure I was covering 'my' half. I questioned whether that was a bit petty of him, given that I had solely paid for the cleaner for the last 10 years, and he just said "the arrangement isn't retrospective"!!

OP posts:
AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 11:47

Thank you all for your responses; I really appreciate it. I am going to have to have a serious talk with him about his unhappy his behaviour is making me!
TBH, I feel a complete fool for not realising that this arrangement wasn't 'normal' sooner! To clarify a couple of people's questions, the earning gap wasn't as big when we first got married. As happens to many women after they have children, my earnings reduced. First, this was due to going part-time and then leaving my career after having our second child (busy clinical role in the NHS, with on-calls and weekends and unpredictable finish times which made nursery pick ups difficult as no family nearby to help at the drop of a hat and husband started and finished his working day later to cover the drop offs). After changing career to something more flexible, I have had to work my way up and now I am finally on a higher pay grade that I ever was, but this has been a long slog. Meanwhile, husband's career has continued uninterrupted and his earnings continued to rise.
That said, there were a couple of red flags earlier in our relationship (the restaurant incident, plus a time when he bought something on my behalf from a friend of his and added his train fare to collect it onto the cost without disclosing this, which I was furious about!) Before we got married, our vicar raised the question about finances when a baby comes along and one partner supporting the other to be at home more, and he didn't appear to take it very seriously. I always thought, as long as I was earning my own money, it would be ok. Hindsight with a more mature head is a wonderful thing!
The biggest issue for me now (other than the worry that he won't change and I could end up in a vulnerable position later in life) is that if I think the children should have something I know we can afford, he can be difficult to the point that if he doesn't feel it is 'worthy' of paying for that I end up paying out of my own pocket. Horse riding is their absolute passion in life and the number one thing that brings them the most joy (I get that this is far from a cheap hobby, having owned my own horses in my younger days)! I was paying for all their lessons, gear etc and he is now paying for half the weekly lesson costs but have said that if they want to loan a pony, the upkeep has to come solely from my earnings because it is 'my hobby, not his'! Even though I pointed out it is the children's pony and they are the ones riding!! (I have my own part-loan horse, and any contributions for her upkeep come 100% from my earnings as riding her is MY hobby!)

OP posts:
ShanghaiDiva · 15/11/2023 20:07

3luckystars · 15/11/2023 19:12

Imagine the retirement:

Him: Thanks to me, now we have so much money for our 70s

You: yes but I hate your guts now

This.

NalafromtheLionKing · 15/11/2023 20:04

You know he will do the same when you are actually retired, right? He has put it all into his own pension so will give you little begrudging “handouts” only when he approves of what you want to do/buy.

FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 15/11/2023 19:32

I literally could not live like this. He is financially controlling and this would have had me ditching years ago. Stinginess is a massive ick.
It's up to you what you do moving forward but I would absolutely be pointing out that he actually owes you for the years you solely paid for the cleaner and kids stuff as a bare minimum.

Undisclosedlocation · 15/11/2023 19:30

In an equal partnership, neither person gets to dictate all the major life decisions with the other getting no say. Currently he gets to choose where you live,how you live,what you do and when you will retire
Thats not a marriage of 2 equals…..it’s a parent and child
only you can decide if you are prepared to live your entire life with someone else deciding how you live it. Personally, I couldn’t

Concannon88 · 15/11/2023 19:26

Did this conversation not come up when you were getting married? Has he reneged on any financial arrangements?

Clarinet1 · 15/11/2023 19:23

I think you need to reset expectations. Explain that you don’t want to have to go cap-in-hand to him for every little thing. You should agree a split for the basic expenses, agree how much you get for personal things (hobbies, clothes, hair appointments) and how much you save - in an account to which you both have access; After all, if one of you were suddenly incapacitated, the other might need access ti
the funds.
However, if he won’t agree to this, then
lawyer up!

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