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Stingy husband

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AgentDanaScully · 15/11/2023 13:31

First time posting, so please be gentle (but honest!) My husband has always been overly cautious with money. He had quite a modest upbringing (definitely no growing up with a silver spoon in his mouth or handouts from the bank of mum and dad) and everything he has, he has earned, which I respect greatly. I work almost full time and have a good salary but he still earns about 3 times more than me. We both work hard and paid off our mortgage several years ago (we've been together 18 years and bought our first house 16 years ago).
We should be able to enjoy life more, but he is obsessed by saving! He wants to retire early, as do I, but there needs to be a balance. Other than a joint account for household bills/food etc, which we both pay into proportionate to income, we have always kept separate finances (his decision). For the last 12 years, I have paid for most of our two children's clothes, uniforms, and most of their activities (until I asked him to pay for some of their clubs a few years back as I was on a lower salary back then and constantly ending the month with nothing in my account, while he had loads of disposable income available). Last month, I showed him my personal account statement to evidence how many things I buy for the children and how little I spend on myself. He was a bit sheepish and offered to pay for the cleaner (another expense I have solely paid for the last 10 years) and the cat's food! He has now finally agreed that things for the children can come out of the joint account and we both top it up 50:50 at the end of the month. I questioned as to why it took this long for him to realise that the previous system was unfair, and he didn't really have an answer.
After I had my second child (now 10), I would've loved to have had a career break to be at home with her for a year or two, knowing we had the means to do it, but there was no commitment to sharing finances from my husband...he said it would be easier to have one parent stay at home, but when I asked him how this would work in practicality, say if I needed my hair cut or new clothes, and he laughed and said "oh, I'll give you a handout". I would've been reduced to asking him for money so I ended up leaving the career I had at the time as it wasn't compatible with family life and trying to set up a business whilst juggling two young children.
I am not by any stretch of the imagination a frivolous spender...I go to the hairdresser's two/three times a year and only buy new clothes (high street) when something literally wears out! The thought of having to ask him for the basics was too humiliating...this still grates on me all these years later.
I would love for us to move house which we can easily afford, but my husband is not interested. I am always careful what I order in restaurants as I still remember an incident years ago, when he criticised me for choosing the most expensive dish on the menu (I chose it because it was what I wanted to eat!) He wants to squirrel as much money away as possible, even though I have pointed out that life is short (my Mum died at 68) and sometimes, you have to live a bit in the here and now. I feel like he has the ultimate control on the purse strings because he is the one who contributes the most money (he pretty much said this at one point) and if he doesn't think something for the family is worthy of spending on, it doesn't happen. He is squirreling away crazy amounts into his pension, which he says will support us both to retire early before my pension kicks in. I worry about what will happen 20 years down the line as to how much he will dictate what we spend it on.
I get that I am in a very fortunate situation with everything going on in the world and I apologise if my post offends anyone. However, I am starting to wonder whether my husband is using finances as a means of control. He is a wonderful person in most other ways and an amazing Dad, but this is coming between us.
Is he right to want more control over the finances as he continues the most, or am I the one being unreasonable?

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AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 22:00

He doesn't really have any hobbies. He is very introverted, likes gaming, films, books, that's about it. He doesn't have friends locally (most of his friends are scattered around) and he doesn't really socialise without me.

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CancelledRainPaintDay · 16/11/2023 21:50

Horses are an expensive hobby

What does your DH do for his hobby (apart from counting his savings ?)

3luckystars · 16/11/2023 21:29

I think this thread is heading in a bad direction.

determinedtomakethiswork · 16/11/2023 21:25

What would happen to his pension if he died?

TheresaWa · 16/11/2023 21:18

Go through your bank statements and ask the bank for all of the past 10 years and ask him for that money with excuses from his side and start immediately not contributing to the joint account until he pays you back his half. He doesn't make the rules about retrospective or not.

user1471538283 · 16/11/2023 19:24

God he sounds joyless.

You've done all this and he begrudges you a nice dinner.

If you do stay you might get to retirement and be in a worse position because he will have his savings and a big pension and you won't.

friendsfiend · 16/11/2023 19:05

@AgentDanaScully this is awful to read. The actual money issue aside, the whole thing screams that he doesn't value or respect you or your kids.

He's been willing for you all to go without whilst he builds his pension and savings.

I'm sorry but he's a shitty husband and dad and there's nothing wonderful or amazing about him because this stuff is fundamental. It's speaks very clearly about his character and values.

That story about the restaurant is horrible and mean. Any decent person would never shame their partner like that.

I'm sorry OP but I'd be thinking about how I can manage after divorce because if this marriage ends I can guarantee he'll play dirty.

billy1966 · 16/11/2023 18:54

I realise my advanced age makes me bad minded but as others also mentioned he won't change in retirement.

What about if YOUR health fails first and you are left at his mercy, needing therapies that you can well afford but he refuses to pay for?

This happens.

Mean men get meaner.

I have a few friends who have mentioned having to be VERY firm with parents when it came to house and garden maintenance etc.

Refusing to be imposed upon when they worked full-time, had young families to care for, just because their mean father, doesn't want to pay for services when they have pots of money.

Frail older women become even more vulnerable to financially abusive husbands in retirements.

One friends father didn't want to pay for a nursing home when he could be looked after at home by his wife and daughters.

He was put in a nursing home and his wife's final years were lovely as she was encouraged by her two daughters to spend HER money on herself.

billy1966 · 16/11/2023 18:33

An amazing Dad?

That refuses to contribute towards his children for years and financially abuses their mother?

Amazing on MN is code for an absolutely abusive prick that deluded women write in threads they start about their awful treatment.

He's a lot of things, an amazing father is not one of them.

Youcannotbeseriousreally · 16/11/2023 18:31

I’m in the middle of dinner so only read the first couple of pages of replies but I just cannot believe people live like this!!

As PPs have said , here information is key. Gather everything, start a spreadsheet. See a solicitor.

id absolutely be taking the shitbag for at least 70% of all the assets and walking away into a lovely life with my kids and my head held high

HerMammy · 16/11/2023 18:23

He is a wonderful person in most other ways and an amazing Dad
He really isn't. I'm outraged on your behalf, you're being financially abused whilst he hoards money.
Divorce will level the field.

whittingtonmum · 16/11/2023 18:13

I have a stingy husband and I buy loads of stuff (essential kids stuff, healthy meals etc) from my own money - not from the joint account. It totally sucks but I can't deal with an argument every single time the kids need a pair of shoes. Sometimes I manage to send him to pay for stuff with my 'don't you dare argue' face but most of the time I just pay for it. I am sure I will regret this approach when I retire or when he divorces me. Don't marry a stingy man is my advice.

Pumpkinpie1 · 16/11/2023 18:04

Wow
I couldn’t live that.
life is for living not for scrimping for a “retirement “ which may not even happen.
Good health and ability enjoy life shouldn’t be taken for granted. Life is fragile
Talk to him OP but be prepared to walk away if he is not prepared to stop financially abusing you

Cumberbiatch · 16/11/2023 17:54

This is far, far beyond stinginess, OP.

Quitelikeit · 16/11/2023 17:45

Well op I hope you manage to get through to him you can only try

AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 17:12

His parents have never really had lots of money, they don't go out or have any hobbies so I don't think they're tight, more that there's nothing they really want to spend money on. Which I feel is quite sad. I wonder whether it's because he never had lots of money growing up, that he's scared of losing it. Or something like that.
We both pay for the school fees out of the joint account. Private school is only a recent thing (last year). With holidays, I have paid for a couple myself (not long haul) although where I have done this, I must admit that I've then let him cover most of the spending on holiday.
Six figure salary and well over half is squirreled away into his pension pot each month.

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Quitelikeit · 16/11/2023 16:48

Oh well he has gone up in my estimation if he pays for school fees, you do at least get a yearly holiday and a long haul trip every so often.

I guess this depends on his income - I mean I’m assuming it is a six figure income but with school fees taken into account and food shopping etc then I don’t know how he can be called THAT tight but maybe a little tight.

In a way none of it matters because you are still feeling there’s an unbalance there.

One thing I do know is that it will be very very difficult to change his approach to spending. I guess his father or mother was also like this?

You may well get him to increase his financial input though

It’s tricky because some couples to have separate finances and manage fine but many share their monthly pay regardless of who earns what and that seems to work well too

MatildaTheCat · 16/11/2023 15:07

@AgentDanaScully the fact that you are so easily able to identify items that he has paid for over the years is very telling. In most marriages the costs are simply paid for between the family with the higher earner naturally contributing more.

I have a friend who has been married around 35 years and has lived in the same house for all of that time. It’s quite a big house with one bathroom that at best estimate was installed in the early 60s. She ha wanted a decent modern bathroom for all of her marriage and he refuses to pay because’he could do it himself if he had time’. He’s not a bad person but bloody hell he dislikes spending money. I think it’s a miserable way to live.

Lastly he won’t suddenly want to spend when he finally reaches retirement. There will be something else that needs to be budgeted for.

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AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 15:00

Someone asked about holidays etc. We have a long-haul holiday every couple of years and a European 'driving' caravanning holiday usually every year as travel is something that's quite important to us both. We have an occasional takeaway and the odd pub meal but nothing fancy. Our car is 9 years old. One DC attends private school, which took a hell of a lot of convincing to get the husband on board that it was the right thing to spend money on (she is autistic but one of the many children in this country who fall between the cracks because she's not 'autistic enough' to get an EHCP/specialist school but would survive at best and not thrive in the local mainstream secondary- but I digress, that's a whole other story!)

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AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 14:51

Something I didn't mention is that he pays for the regular supermarket food shop as he buys discounted vouchers as part of his available perks at work. He also argues that he has paid for things like car MOT over the years. However, a quick look at our joint account- before I raised the issue with him recently, he was paying in 1.8x more than me for bills (so not really proportionate to the difference in income, especially as I was covering almost all of the children's clothes and extracurricular activities at this point). A look back to 5 years ago before my promotions at work- he was paying in 2.6x more than me but earning 4x more.

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OhComeOnFFS · 16/11/2023 14:48

Vriddle · 15/11/2023 16:55

Divorce him and split the marital assets - which include 'his' savings. And the house. See a solicitor. A good one. And break free from this controlling, financially abusive twat.

Yes, exactly. Notice he's not topping up your pension, just his own. He has his savings, while you are going broke paying for things he should be paying for.

Unless you want to spend the rest of your precious life with a skinflint, then I think you'd do better divorcing now, getting half his pension and savings and the house, claiming child support and having a lovely life without him.

AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 14:43

Good question, and you're absolutely right. I think it one of those things that has spiralled. When we had our first DC, I signed up to baby groups, took her shopping for new clothes etc and paid for it all out of my own money without thinking anything of it (I work for the NHS so had generous maternity pay). And then this just continued...until I raised the issue

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clarebear111 · 16/11/2023 13:27

I'm so sorry to read this OP. Your relationship does not sound like a partnership of equals to me, which it should be. You're married, you have DCs, you've been together a long time. As I understand things, most people pool resources in these circumstances.

The saying 'he who pays the piper calls the tune' springs to mind. Your H seems to be of the mindset that, as he earns the most, he is entitled to make the rules. That doesn't feel right to me, certainly in the context of your long marriage and the fact you have children. Where is the mutual respect?

I'd raise this with him, insisting something drastic needs to change, and steel yourself for a poor reaction from him. Men like this tend to like to be in control and he won't take kindly to what he will consider to be a challenge to his perceived authority. Good luck and stand your ground.