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Younger children turning on me.

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SlothsRUs · 13/11/2023 18:01

I feel my whole world fell apart at the weekend my middle daughter turned on me followed by youngest and totally supported by husband.

They accused me of sabotaging their relationship with husband’s family, something I absolutely refute.

I do admit that I stopped ‘facilitating’ the relationship because the behaviour of the in-laws had a negative impact on my eldest daughter from a previous relationship.

All this came about when middle daughter started spending time with DH’s niece who teaches at adjoining uni to the one Middle daughter started at last year. She told MD that I stopped them having a relationship.

In-laws were always nice to my eldest one but there was different treatment to the other grandchildren so it was difficult to go round there. There was an occasion when we declined wedding invitations for younger kids from DH’s cousin when they could have been flower girls as it seemed unfair to eldest. We didn’t go on Christmas Day as eldest one wouldn’t have been so generously treated.

SiL always asked to have younger ones but not eldest in spite of having kids same age as eldest.

It was easier to leave all three with my mother but husband suggested we split them and I always refused. He was lovely to my eldest though.

When BiL car back to England his eldest handed camera to my eldest to take photos of the ‘real’ cousins.

Eldest is now single parent and has had unsuccessful attempts to form relationships with her father.

My husband could always have ensured they saw that side but he tended to go alone after work.

Youngest daughter said my eldest was an embarrassment. Don’t know how to move forward. Middle one gone back to uni after reading week.

OP posts:
Lastchancechica · 14/11/2023 13:27

I think the eldest was rightly prioritised given she was the receiving end of their unkind behaviour.

LorraineBainMcFly · 14/11/2023 08:23

I'm confused, so the 'angst' and risk of upset of everything was worth denying and refusing a relationship for the younger sisters with their paternal family, and everyone was oh so awful to the eldest.
But the youngest being upset at this is ridiculous and they just need to get over it and their being upset still makes the eldest your golden child victim in it all?
The eldest seems to have been prioritised for years! What happened at the 16th birthday, did you have grandchild with you and make the day all about eldest and them?

5128gap · 14/11/2023 07:38

I'd also say try not to panic too much and let all this ominous 'your children have decided!' 'Your chickens have come home to roost!' drama worry you. Your children are teens, very taken at present with the novelty of their shiny other family. They're also at an age where they're predisposed to blame you for everything. If your relationship with them has been strong over the years, you're not going to be dead to them over a new and exciting friendship with a cousin. If they're blananced girls, in time they'll start to reflect on the unpleasantness dished out about the mum they presumably love. Your in laws don't sound the nicest of people so in time when the novelty wears off they may well think differently. Explain yourself if you wish but no need to fall on your sword.

saraclara · 13/11/2023 23:45

She couldn’t force her in laws to consider her eldest their grandchild (she isn’t), so she deprived her youngest of having a relationship with them. What’s that resulted in? A bad relationship with her youngest children who blame and resent her for it, and two siblings estranged from the third. Not sure how that’s a fantastic outcome tbh

Yep. Basically the younger children were punished for their grandparents' action. You decided to punch down rather than up. Your younger ones lost out on a set of grandparents, aunts and uncles and cousins, because instead of trying to work positively on that side of the family, you decided to do the mumsnet favourite and go no contact.

Yes I get that you felt angry, yes I get that they weren't being fair. But rather than address it and try to build their relationship with her, you knocked down your younger children's chance to know them.
Your DH shouldn't have let you do that, but you were the decision maker. You need to talk to your the younger ones, explain, and apologise. But for goodness sake don't give them more reason to blame their older sister.

Lastchancechica · 13/11/2023 23:33

My teens have been furious over the smallest of things over the years or any perceived injustice. They are hard wired to make mountains out of molehills. Now they are older they cringe at all the angst and hand wringing, it’s just part of growing up and establishing independence. Just nod along op, and remind them they can choose now.

notlucreziaborgia · 13/11/2023 23:32

Lastchancechica · 13/11/2023 23:28

Stop being such a drama lama. Clearly you don’t have teens. They feel passionate about all sorts until they don’t anymore. Op should rise above this overreaction, and remember she did the right thing. The sister relationship is typical of teen girls. Honestly you are over thinking this. It will blow over in no time.

I know adults that have had this issue arise in their own families, and the impact has been felt long beyond the teen years. Wanting it to be a storm in a teacup doesn’t mean it is one.

Yes, OP can tell herself she’s right all she likes, she just may find that to be cold comfort when faced with the real life consequences.

Lastchancechica · 13/11/2023 23:28

notlucreziaborgia · 13/11/2023 23:22

That did wonders for the sisterly relationships between them, didn’t it?

The in-laws weren’t willing to be dictated to by OP. Ironically neither are her daughters now. She doesn’t have to do anything but live with the consequences of the decisions she’s made, whether she likes them or not 🤷🏻‍♀️

her youngest daughters have their own perspectives and opinions, as they’re fully entitled to have. Not being wrong in her own eyes does not mean she’s not wrong in theirs (whether you or OP like and approve or not!). Pretending otherwise isn’t exactly going to help repair the damaged relationships here.

Stop being such a drama lama. Clearly you don’t have teens. They feel passionate about all sorts until they don’t anymore. Op should rise above this overreaction, and remember she did the right thing. The sister relationship is typical of teen girls. Honestly you are over thinking this. It will blow over in no time.

notlucreziaborgia · 13/11/2023 23:22

Lastchancechica · 13/11/2023 23:16

Don’t be so black and white. Op can acknowledge the situation wasn’t ideal for anyone, and the dc are welcome to have relationships with the in laws if they wish with her blessing, but she does not have to apologise for ensuring that all children are treated with kindness and inclusiveness. The in laws could have changed their behaviour, but choose not to, so it didn’t mean that much to them did it!

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That did wonders for the sisterly relationships between them, didn’t it?

The in-laws weren’t willing to be dictated to by OP. Ironically neither are her daughters now. She doesn’t have to do anything but live with the consequences of the decisions she’s made, whether she likes them or not 🤷🏻‍♀️

her youngest daughters have their own perspectives and opinions, as they’re fully entitled to have. Not being wrong in her own eyes does not mean she’s not wrong in theirs (whether you or OP like and approve or not!). Pretending otherwise isn’t exactly going to help repair the damaged relationships here.

Lastchancechica · 13/11/2023 23:16

notlucreziaborgia · 13/11/2023 23:06

No, they don’t need to agree with OP because you think they should.

OP can stick to her guns and ignore the feelings of her younger children if she wants. It’s up to her if ‘being right’ is more important to her than having a good relationship with two of her children. Like I said, she’s the one that has to live with it.

Don’t be so black and white. Op can acknowledge the situation wasn’t ideal for anyone, and the dc are welcome to have relationships with the in laws if they wish with her blessing, but she does not have to apologise for ensuring that all children are treated with kindness and inclusiveness. The in laws could have changed their behaviour, but choose not to, so it didn’t mean that much to them did it!

MsRosley · 13/11/2023 23:16

Bluela18 · 13/11/2023 18:58

You do things to protect your children from certain behaviours from the in laws and its easy for relationships to fall apart without it being anyones fault really Just stand your ground and explain you did the right thing at the time as they were playing favourites but you will support them now if they want to have relationships with them. They are probably poisoning their minds? Trying to put the blame on you. Refuse to be treated like that, you did the right thing if you thought it was damaging your children. If you did nothing they might now turn round and say why did you allow me to be treated that way by the. Just sit down try understand but explain your point in a loving way why you stopped facilitating the relationship

Agree with this. You did your best, with good intentions. Try not to take it to heart - at that age, daughters can be very critical of their mother and not big on nuance.

PurpleWhirple · 13/11/2023 23:14

AnneElliott · 13/11/2023 19:35

Surely their father could have decided to take them to see his wider family? If not he's decided as well as the op that he didn't want to do that. Not sure why it's OPs sole fault.

Exactly

He worked socks off and felt he didn’t have energy to take his own kids to his parents. He feels I should have done more to facilitate the relationship

This is a massive cop out by the DH. What kind of waster is too tired to see his mother and expects his wife to facilitate it. I'm team OP, I totally understand why you made the choices you did OP.

whiteroseredrose · 13/11/2023 23:09

Also, why does youngest think eldest is "an embarrassment"?

Unmarried single mother with some dodgy relationships behind her?

PestilencialCrisis · 13/11/2023 23:07

You can please some of the people, some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time. You can't change the past. You made choices based on protecting your eldest. Your husband made choices based on protecting his own energy levels. Your SiL made choices based on prioritising the younger two children. Whenever there is more than one child to think about, it is impossible to make all of your decisions agreeable to all parties. You can't undo it, so move forward. At 18 and 20, they are old enough to take charge of their own relationships with your in-laws. What is stopping them doing that now?

Also, why does youngest think eldest is "an embarrassment"?

whiteroseredrose · 13/11/2023 23:06

So your middle daughter has found her cousin, gets on really well with her and laments the missed years of not being able to grow up together and have those fantastic cousin relationships.

You can't turn back the clock unfortunately. What is done is done.

Do you have any siblings yourself? Did your DC have cousins on your side of the family? Or have they had no cousins at all?

In my opinion you made the wrong choice. You 'decided not to split them up' yet the split is clearly there. You can't guarantee that siblings will let each other and now there is something else to poison the relationship between your eldest and the younger two.

FWIW I was your eldest. My DF's inlaws were lovely with me and I was welcomed as family, but not as their grandchild, because I wasn't.

I can't work out if your DH initially wanted to take the younger two when he visited his family, you didn't want to split them so he didn't - in which case you need to apologise to your younger two, or if your DH just chose to go alone in which case the onus is on him.

notlucreziaborgia · 13/11/2023 23:06

Lastchancechica · 13/11/2023 23:04

The dc need to grow up and learn a thing or two about emotional intelligence.

The in laws are unkind and disgusting for mistreating a small child. If the dc want to pursue a relationship with people like that, that’s up to them, op doesn’t need to go along with it!

No, they don’t need to agree with OP because you think they should.

OP can stick to her guns and ignore the feelings of her younger children if she wants. It’s up to her if ‘being right’ is more important to her than having a good relationship with two of her children. Like I said, she’s the one that has to live with it.

Lastchancechica · 13/11/2023 23:04

notlucreziaborgia · 13/11/2023 23:01

Ah yes, because ‘it’s just in-laws, who cares’ definitely solves OP’s issues. And actually they’re the daughters grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins - family members they want to be close to.

Clearly it’s a big enough deal to them, given the impact it’s had and is having on their relationships with their sister and mother. You can’t assume they’ll come around to OP’s way of thinking either.

Plenty of children in blended families can indeed understand that they don’t all have the same family members in common.

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The dc need to grow up and learn a thing or two about emotional intelligence.

The in laws are unkind and disgusting for mistreating a small child. If the dc want to pursue a relationship with people like that, that’s up to them, op doesn’t need to go along with it!

Delphinium20 · 13/11/2023 23:03

Your in-laws sound pretty terrible and it seems like they are poisoning your youngest 2. To me, it seems like this dynamic of manipulation and favoritism and victim blaming is all on the in-laws and it's a shame your young 2 DDs can't see how messed up this is. But, they are young and likely eat up the idea of 'poor me' that a lot of young people employ. They seem to have zero empathy for their oldest sister and that's too bad. Does DD1 have feelings about this or are you trying to shelter her? Ugh, so sorry about your youngest DD's behavior. Sounds like DH should have a convo w/ his two youngest and explicitly explain how his family caused this and you are not to blame.

Coconutdragon · 13/11/2023 23:03

5128gap · 13/11/2023 20:40

I may be in a minority here, but I can never understand how adults could deliberately and obviously single out a child for different treatment because she isnt a blood relative. What is it that people think makes their genes so sacred? And would they apply this to an adopted child too?
The argument about protecting themselves from getting attached doesn't really fly in the context of a stable marriage and when people cut off contact with blood relatives all the time. Besides which, an adults fear of possible future hurt shouldn't justify the othering of a child brought into their family.
My point OP, is I sympathise with you and don't care much for the way your in laws have behaved. I understand why you wanted to keep a distance from them. I also agree your H should have maintained the relationship. He is equally to blame, but you (as the non blood relative!) are your inlaws scapegoat. Meanwhile your H gets to stay comfortably on the fence, having neither upset you by telling you no, or upset them by actively supporting you.
I think its now down to your H to step up to rescue this. He needs to own his role in allowing this to happen rather than let you take the blame alone.

I agree with this.

notlucreziaborgia · 13/11/2023 23:01

Lastchancechica · 13/11/2023 22:57

They are just in laws! No big deal. certainly not worth all of this Angst. Teenagers are known to make issues about all sorts. They can take it up with their father if they have a problem. He could have made the effort, but didn’t.

Treating children differently is unacceptable in my circles. Unthinkable. No wonder blended families struggle so much if people think this is in any way acceptable. It’s not. Young children can not be expected to understand the reasons and biology for the their poor treatment and can be very hurt and damaged through no fault of their own.

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Ah yes, because ‘it’s just in-laws, who cares’ definitely solves OP’s issues. And actually they’re the daughters grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins - family members they want to be close to.

Clearly it’s a big enough deal to them, given the impact it’s had and is having on their relationships with their sister and mother. You can’t assume they’ll come around to OP’s way of thinking either.

Plenty of children in blended families can indeed understand that they don’t all have the same family members in common.

Lastchancechica · 13/11/2023 23:01

This all feels overdramatic to me!

NorthStarRising · 13/11/2023 22:59

Are you telling the OP she doesn’t need to interact with her youngest two children?
I’d say ride the storm, OP. There may be a period of rage, indiscriminate blame and distancing by your children, but keep the door open and a light in the window. If you want them back, you need to put your personal desires on the back burner and understand how they feel, however unfair you feel it is.
Or move on, accept fate and focus on your eldest and your grandchildren.

Kevintheelf80 · 13/11/2023 22:59

Also if the biological family were that bothered about having a relationship with their nieces and nephews, why couldn't they be magnanimous enough to embrace all three?
I absolutely would have done the same as you op, the in laws don't sound like very nice people imo

Lastchancechica · 13/11/2023 22:57

notlucreziaborgia · 13/11/2023 22:49

Doesn’t mean they have to agree with her opinions, or indeed her actions.

No, OP is responsible for how she responded to them. Her youngest children disagree with what she chose to do in response, and that has in turn resulted in there being long term negative repercussions she’s living with, and will have to continue to live with.

Her in laws weren’t unkind to her eldest, they just didn’t treat her as a grandchild because she wasn’t and isn't one. Again, that’s not an unusual occurrence. The reality is that blended families are different to nuclear ones, and trying to force them to operate in the same way is only going to result in situations like this.

They are just in laws! No big deal. certainly not worth all of this Angst. Teenagers are known to make issues about all sorts. They can take it up with their father if they have a problem. He could have made the effort, but didn’t.

Treating children differently is unacceptable in my circles. Unthinkable. No wonder blended families struggle so much if people think this is in any way acceptable. It’s not. Young children can not be expected to understand the reasons and biology for the their poor treatment and can be very hurt and damaged through no fault of their own.

Kevintheelf80 · 13/11/2023 22:55

How anyone could treat a child differently to their siblings over a matter of biology is beyond me! Why make any child feel less important just to make the point that they are not biologically related!
And to all those asking if doing so would make them a cunt then my answer is yes, it absolutely makes you a cunt!

Kevintheelf80 · 13/11/2023 22:55

How anyone could treat a child differently to their siblings over a matter of biology is beyond me! Why make any child feel less important just to make the point that they are not biologically related!
And to all those asking if doing so would make them a cunt then my answer is yes, it absolutely makes you a cunt!

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