XL Bully Around Children

This.
We had a horrible incident with one because of this.
Woman utterly incapable of holding the bloody thing.
I damaged my back and tendons in my hand trying to restrain the wretched thing.

At least my little dog was able to get away because of this- {mine was on a lead and this off lead thing charged}

I am used to horses and the low centre of gravity of this monster was far harder to hold back than a 16.2 TB colt.

She won't be able to hold the bloody thing back once it's matured

This is a big problem. So often the large men of the household pick up these dogs, then expect their wife to walk it.

These XL's often turn aggressive when they reach around the age of two.
Most UK ones are massively inbred with ''Killer Kimbo'' in their background several times over {a human aggressive XL Pitbull that killed a sweet little step daughter of it's owner}
She's a complete fool in my opinion, putting her children, other adults and other dogs and cats at risk.
She won't be able to hold the bloody thing back once it's matured.

Get yourself a lovely, gentle, well-trained tiger. Then invite her and her kids round for tea.

I genuinely cannot comprehend the stupidity of people who think having dogs descended from the likes of “Most Wanted (Killer) Kimbo”, “Castros Bull” and “Unstoppable Juggernaught” are destined to be fluffy cuddle-monsters.

@hjytrjulykuyh it’s usually the same idiots who say deed not breed yet in the next breath say labradors are more likely to bite, or chihuahuas are savages as a deflection from their own breeds terrible statistics. So by that logic breed traits don’t affect bullies but they do others? Or they say all bullies are ‘softies’, so friendliness is heritable but aggression not?

Makes me want to say make your mind up, either breed makes a difference or it doesn’t. These people clearly don’t understand genetics.

It's funny how nobody has any issue with acknowledging that sheepdogs like to herd, bloodhounds like to sniff, Jack Russells like to chase small animals, etc... until you get to bully breeds, when suddenly it's a taboo to acknowledge that they like to fight and kill other animals. The absolute stupidity of humans thinking that a dog's genetics and ancestors and bloodline have absolutely nothing to do with the likelihood of a dog killing someone. Oh no, the owners caused that to happen. Just like someone who raises a tiger from being a tiny cub must have raised it wrong for it to snap and maul them one day.

Do not let your children anywhere near that dog and do let your sister ever look after your children for fear that she might let the dog near them. I would not trust this at all. Even if she says the dog won’t be there / she’ll take them out without the dog do not believe her.

These dogs make my blood run cold they are killers …I’d not go anywhere near one.

nothing would change my mind if they turn that’s it you’ve no chance…they have no place in society and should be banned.

Beggars belief anyone with kids would consider getting one they must have a death wish to do so

It's not much comfort if you are attacked and someone says to you it's the owner.

Truthfully it's both. The dog and the owner.

I agree.

I have a spaniel who came from a working line.

He is lovely wonderful dog and has been an easy to train in nearly every area. Apart from.. if he gets near a bird. He killed a few when he was a puppy. Once he got one in his mouth, he didn’t even know what to do with it - he just looked a bit shocked and clueless and dropped them, but they died of shock I think.

We have been able to improve his recall since then and he will come back even if a bird is nearby - but I still see his eyes light up when he sees one, and it isn’t in a good way!

That drive is just in him, nothing to do with him being malicious or the type of owners we are. He couldn’t care less about cats or killing any creatures generally (he is even scared of hamsters) but the bird urge is from his breeding.

Leaving a child unattended with any breed of dog, while you sleep, is dangerous and negligent parenting.

I’d assume that anyone who is leaving their child sleep unattended with a type of dog that is being banned due to the deaths and injuries that have occurred is trying to make a point, and are willing to risk their child’s life to do so.

I can’t believe you think it’s funny.

This is terrifying!

One of the biggest problem with xl bully's is that they can be docile and sweet until they suddenly flip out of nowhere and attack.

I'm sure they'll take your hysterical catastrophising under advisement. 🤣

Your friends are terrible parents. Absolutely despicable.

One sleeps under the baby's cot

Fuck me some people really do deserve everything they get. Thick as mince.

I have no idea why anyone would want to buy a dog of this type when there are literally dozens and dozens of magnificent breeds to choose from. It’s asking for unnecessary trouble.

I wouldn’t be taking my kids round either.

The owners of these dogs already think they know everything though, so they won’t be interested in further education. As I’ve said before, they commonly don’t even microchip them even though it’s the law, so good luck expecting them to come to training classes.
Also, a lot of the attacks happen when the dog is being looked after by family/friends, so you’d need everyone to be trained.

I don't buy the "it's not the dog it's the owner" argument.

Dogs have a job that they were bred to do and it is instinctive to them. For example, my spaniel was bred to retrieve and is obsessed with retrieving balls and sticks and will have had this instinct whether she was raised by me or by a heard of elephants. Of course, I as the owner can ensure she is trained properly to control this but it is an innate instinct to her and her breed.

In the case of the xl bully, they were bred for aggression and to kill. A "good" owner might be able to keep darling Daisy under control for a time but as far as I am concerned, they are a loaded shotgun that could go off at any moment and that is not would not be a risk that I would even begin to contemplate.

BalloonHearts I used to know someone with a dog like that. As docile as anything, really soft, protective of the children. Slept on the nursery floor etc. Until the day it took half the younger child's face off. Rottweiler/Bully mongrel type of dog.

@frequency I think we’re in violent agreement or at least disagreeing solely on semantics. I never said people shouldn’t be taught and guided on training and treatment of dogs (and I don’t know how this would work, but breeding of dogs with violent tendencies or congenital health problems like pugs should at least be heavily regulated). Until we have the time, infrastructure and public will to do that, we should restrict the most dangerous/hazardous types of dogs. To go back to the shooting analogy, I used to shoot with an air pistol competitively and was scrupulously taught how to be safe with it. I could easily have decided one day I wanted to go and shoot everyone who had ever hurt me or something (obviously that has never occurred to me, but it does in America roughly twice a week). Would I have done more damage with my little air pistol which I had to reload every shot, or with an AR-15? Similarly, is a moody little chihuahua or terrier who decides he doesn’t like you more or less scary than a dog which weighs more than you, can drag you around and bite an actual chunk out of you, even if they think they’re just playing? These dogs are more dangerous even if you don’t take the aggression into account.

The comparison to gun control only works if we are talking about a ban on all dogs. If we are comparing dogs to guns banning the XL Bully is like banning fully automatic rifles but still allowing unfettered access to semi-automatics.

The people who like owning fully automatics will buy a semi instead.

The people who like XL Bullies will buy or breed Mastiffs or Cane Corsos instead.

Unless we are going to ban all dog ownership for the general public we can only resolve the problem if we start looking at the people and teaching the people how to be responsible.

I think I’ve said this upthread but “it’s the owner not the dog” is similar to “it’s the person, not the gun”. It’s BECAUSE people aren’t good, responsible and sensible all the time that people get killed even by guns going off by accident (forget the deliberate shootings), so there are laws in place in this country to restrict them to the people and uses that are unlikely to result in harm to others. Same goes with dogs. I’ve never had a dog but I have a lot of experience with horses, who could very easily crush you to death, kick you in the head, bite you, cause a nasty fall etc even without meaning to. We had a lovely gentle horse who signalled affection by pushing with his head and nibbling our shoulders. That would be much more dangerous for a toddler, which is why we wouldn’t let children near him. That’s why there are laws and regulations to ensure safety precautions around horses. I also agree about the comparison with “wild” animals like big cats. Their equivalent of having an off day and making a mean remark could be tearing your arm off.

OK sis, you sign a contract that if your dog hurts my child you pay me 50,000.
If she isn't willing to, then she knows there's a chance.

I can’t believe how anyone could be that stupid! Thankfully I don’t know anyone irl with this type of dog, nor have I ever seen one in my area.