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XL Bully Around Children

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Popcornlassie28 · 07/11/2023 14:06

Hi,

My SIL has decided to buy a XL bully dog (yes I know they are in the process of being banned by the government).

I was bitten by a bully type dog as a child when I was round a friend’s house having a play date so I’m naturally on edge about this.

I have two small children (and she has an older school age child) and I’ve expressed I’m not comfortable with the children visiting the house with the dog there but she is welcome to visit us here.

They think I’m being OTT and said that the dog is fine and not all are aggressive. She is refusing to muzzle or put the dog away as she said it’s a pet that needs to be socialised with people and putting the dog away will add to the issue.

Seeing all the news about these dogs at the moment makes me think I’m being responsible as one bite can kill and be devastating.

I know it’s a nature verses nurture debate and people think it’s how they are raised and not their breed but I don’t know enough about this breed to comment.

Am I being unreasonable to not allow the children over?

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HagsRule · 09/01/2025 21:52

I'm actually scared that "sad" poster's little girl will be the one that is harmed. Especially if her XL is now 2 which seems to be the trigger age. I was out with our small toddlers before Christmas at a park and as we got back to our car someone walked by with an XL bully unmuzzled. The owner was effing and blinding at his girlfriend beside him and the lead was more like a rope. I was genuinely terrified. The thing's shoulders were like rippling muscle. It whipped it's head round as we walked by and I tried to fast walk and pull both my small children away towards our car as fast as I could.

oakleaffy · 09/01/2025 20:40

HitsAndMrs · 24/12/2024 09:59

And this exactly the issue 'He will protect her at all costs' For God sake.

They often turn rogue after two.
look at statistics.
The one that savaged The little American girl to death was “ Her dog” he was so say “sweet and protective “ of her til he flipped- and then he “wanted her” according to her devastated mother - he smashed through a door to get to the child.
Mia Derouen.

Unhinged, unstable dogs for insecure people.

Aibuquestiononrelationship · 09/01/2025 07:52

@Popcornlassie28

I see this is a thread you started in 2023. It was commented on recently again.

How is the situation now? Does your sil still have the XL bully dog?

MarieG10 · 09/01/2025 07:39

@hjytrjulykuyh ….if people want to see what it is like, view videos on Facebook of people on Safari. Total raw nature as it is but seeing a lion maul a buffalo is exactly the same except in relation to the Bully’s and Pitbuls the victim is usually a human being

hjytrjulykuyh · 06/01/2025 09:35

MarieG10 · 25/12/2024 07:28

So sadly naive….many XL Bully owners have had this view until their dog has mauled someone. Unfortunately this “blindness” of reality affects many dog owners that ultimately they are an animal and can never ever be 100% trusted….it is just some breeds are far worse.

2yr is right around the magic mauling age for XL Bullies. Hence the huge numbers of attacks a couple of years after so many people got their pitbull puppies in lockdown.

That poster is so naive, and I just hope if anyone pays the price it's her, the one who has chosen to bring this dog into the child's home, and not the daughter, who absolutely has no say in it. And I sincerely hope strangers aren't harmed, who have done nothing wrong other than try to go about their day.

Being mauled to death by an animal is a horrifying, painful, terrifying way to die. Just the relentlessness of it, knowing you're seriously in danger, and nobody coming to help or being able to stop it. I have no sympathy for anyone who willingly chooses to bring a pitbull into their home against all sense.

MarieG10 · 25/12/2024 07:28

sophgclark191095 · 23/12/2024 21:50

The comments on this sadden me so so much.
I am a single parent of a 7 year old little girl.
We have an Xl bully coming up 2 in February. Just me my daughter and our male xl.

He is our gentle giant, he will play fight with me if I instigate it but no matter how much my daughter instigates a play fight he will not tolerate it. He knows he can't not nibble her fingers or even try and play fight with her.
He will protect her at all costs, and I wouldn't change our dog for the world or worry about him around my daughter.
Think what you will.
Bring your dog up well and you'll be able to trust it, simple as that. And bring your children up well to know how to behave around a dog. Simple.

So sadly naive….many XL Bully owners have had this view until their dog has mauled someone. Unfortunately this “blindness” of reality affects many dog owners that ultimately they are an animal and can never ever be 100% trusted….it is just some breeds are far worse.

Motomum23 · 24/12/2024 11:20

I'd not let my children anywhere near it - or her - ever again. It shows an incredible lack of judgement

villainousbroodmare · 24/12/2024 11:16

Mammillaria · 07/11/2023 14:21

Any dog can bite. As I see it you have 2 main variables that would dictate how comfortable I would be to have any given dog near my child.

  1. How much damage they are likely to inflict if they do bite. This is largely breed and size specific.
  2. How much I trust the owner to have (a) trained and socialised the dog and (b) be able to read the dog's cues and remove them/the child from any situation where a bite could occur.

I wouldn't completely dismiss any dog based on (1) but I would need a much higher level of trust that the owner would manage the situation (2).

I would be very wary of any owner who insists their dog 'will be fine' with your child as it implies they will not be cautiously watching their dog and the child ready to jump in if necessary.

The problem with this is that you will never, NEVER react faster than a dog. You can be standing beside it and you will not be quick enough.
Also, wrt observation: yes, it's important but it won't protect you in this case. The vast vast majority of dogs, in common with every other animal, do NOT want to resort to aggression. They will show a dozen signs before they are 'forced' to bite.
Conversely, a dog which has been bred for generations to win fights won't dick about raising its hackles and licking its lips and showing the type of body language that's intended to warn off its 'opponent' or avert conflict. It will likely bypass all of that and just get stuck in, inflicting violent life-threatening injuries faster than you can scream "Oh my God!" The odd gentle one is a breed failure, in fact. THAT is what makes them lethal.
People are notoriously bad at reading animal body language but an XL bully won't show you much body language anyway.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 24/12/2024 11:00

No one in their right mind would have an XL Bully around their children let alone brag about it. They're all 'gentle giants' until they flip and tear someone's throat out or rip a child to pieces.

Whammyammy · 24/12/2024 10:19

100% no way would I let my children near that breed

HitsAndMrs · 24/12/2024 09:59

sophgclark191095 · 23/12/2024 21:50

The comments on this sadden me so so much.
I am a single parent of a 7 year old little girl.
We have an Xl bully coming up 2 in February. Just me my daughter and our male xl.

He is our gentle giant, he will play fight with me if I instigate it but no matter how much my daughter instigates a play fight he will not tolerate it. He knows he can't not nibble her fingers or even try and play fight with her.
He will protect her at all costs, and I wouldn't change our dog for the world or worry about him around my daughter.
Think what you will.
Bring your dog up well and you'll be able to trust it, simple as that. And bring your children up well to know how to behave around a dog. Simple.

And this exactly the issue 'He will protect her at all costs' For God sake.

MumonabikeE5 · 24/12/2024 09:57

I would not attained any family event with a dog like this.
full stop.
song the rest of your family prefer for the dog to be there than you you also get a sense of their priorities
but I would not attend a family with a dog like this. Full stop.

Spondoolies · 24/12/2024 09:55

If you had a gun with a million bullets but only one is live, would you fire it at your child? That’s what you are doing every time your child is with an XL.

Redgreenred10 · 24/12/2024 03:38

Yep and how many people have said that *sophgclark191095

“oh it was always so good with the children, oh it never showed aggression before and it was so protective”

sorry but I think having one of them in a house with a child is plain and utterly stupid, why the hell would you take the chance.

can you honestly say hand on heart you are 100% sure it won’t turn. And before you go on that any dog can turn- yes they can but this breed is responsible for the most deaths as they literally rip people to pieces.

You are literally putting the dog before your child. As a mother any sniff of potential danger to my child that I could control would be eliminated. Put the dam thing down and get another breed of dog, preferably one that is not bread for fighting.

Costacoffeeisbetterthanstarbucks · 24/12/2024 01:10

pooballs · 23/12/2024 21:58

This thread is a year old you must have been searching specifically for XL bully threads?

Give her time and she will be back writing about the death of her daughter

pooballs · 23/12/2024 21:58

This thread is a year old you must have been searching specifically for XL bully threads?

sophgclark191095 · 23/12/2024 21:55

MANY BIG DOGS CAN DO DAMAGE.
To many to list along side size..
Don't bully my bully.

sophgclark191095 · 23/12/2024 21:50

The comments on this sadden me so so much.
I am a single parent of a 7 year old little girl.
We have an Xl bully coming up 2 in February. Just me my daughter and our male xl.

He is our gentle giant, he will play fight with me if I instigate it but no matter how much my daughter instigates a play fight he will not tolerate it. He knows he can't not nibble her fingers or even try and play fight with her.
He will protect her at all costs, and I wouldn't change our dog for the world or worry about him around my daughter.
Think what you will.
Bring your dog up well and you'll be able to trust it, simple as that. And bring your children up well to know how to behave around a dog. Simple.

Sureaseggs44 · 06/02/2024 17:48

That is such a stupid thing to do . The insurance will be expensive , the food will be expensive , will have to register the dog . Won’t be able to walk it with a muzzle and best of luck with training classes .

I agree keep clear of the dog .

Ginandtonics · 07/01/2024 17:20

I know a really big strong dog like an XLB is beyond me, a fit woman of 5'8", to physically control if it chose to misbehave. It took ages for me to be able to take my old rescue lab out walkies without help, it was too tiring being pulled everywhere as, unfortunately, he wasn't loose lead trained or trained at all as far as I could see, and had to be taught everything, including 'sit' from scratch. Having never had walks before, even he got a bit overexcited when we went out and I certainly couldn't have managed a bigger, more muscular, dog safely. Gentle as a lamb otherwise and always tried his best to please, we got there in the end as he was such a good boy. My concern is, how is the poor XLB able to get sufficient exercise and stimulation if it can't be let off the lead to run or socialize with other dogs? Dogs need to have a good run and also companionship. It's unlikely to be welcome in other people's homes and public places, even if it's muzzled and she'll probably have to leave it at home a lot. I wouldn't let my children go to a house where there's a dog which has been bred to be aggressive - the breed was originally developed for fighting. It'll be a liability. I think your sister may be trying to wind you up but if not, what is she thinking of! Maybe she's trying to 'rescue ' this puppy but if so she's in for a bit of a shock as it gets bigger and she will have to comply with the law, which isn't going to lead to a particularly easy and fulfilling life for the dog. That's assuming there's no bad breeding and it's got a good temperament which does seem to be an issue with the breed.

oakleaffy · 11/11/2023 17:40

PepeLePugh · 11/11/2023 14:59

@Popcornlassie28 Is your sister definitely going ahead and getting this dog? Has she researched the puppy's bloodline? Does she have children?

If she is stupidly not prepared to listen to all the warnings of aggression in this dog then has she at least considered the financial implications of owning an xl bully? She will need to apply for an exemption certificate (£93), pay to get them neutered (£200), pay for third party insurance (£££!). She can also forget putting the dog in kennels if she wants to go away anywhere as nowhere would take it due to the risk.

You are absolutely doing the right thing and I would not let myself or my children anywhere near this dog.

Holy smokes
Details of Dogs Trust XLBully they allowed to be adopted out recently that had to be shot
after mauling it’s owner

Details of those severe injuries have now come to public knowledge .
The poor woman was in ICU with her body basically shredded.

The owner said it was “ Soft” til it turned savage and saw the opportunity to seriously maul the woman it supposedly “ Loved”

These are such unstable dogs.

It’s horrifying how they just turn after being “ soft”
Something seriously amiss with them
DNA related I’d think.

They seem to have a vanishingly tiny fuse and are easily triggered to serious savagery.

PepeLePugh · 11/11/2023 14:59

@Popcornlassie28 Is your sister definitely going ahead and getting this dog? Has she researched the puppy's bloodline? Does she have children?

If she is stupidly not prepared to listen to all the warnings of aggression in this dog then has she at least considered the financial implications of owning an xl bully? She will need to apply for an exemption certificate (£93), pay to get them neutered (£200), pay for third party insurance (£££!). She can also forget putting the dog in kennels if she wants to go away anywhere as nowhere would take it due to the risk.

You are absolutely doing the right thing and I would not let myself or my children anywhere near this dog.

Greybluewhite · 11/11/2023 14:00

@oakleaffy I have horses and as a result walk my big (not bully) dogs in headcollars. It gives so much more control than a collar or a harness. Why do people with large muscular animals think they can hold them back with something designed to be pulled into!

oakleaffy · 11/11/2023 10:31

oh yes- the “ Self training “ Dog that pulls like a tank, is disrespectful of people’s personal space , jumps up, barks non stop and is a complete pain in the backside around other dogs, children and adults .

Too many of those about.
An elderly lady was pulled flat on her face by her son’s Bull breed-
She didn’t stand a chance.

Her son had left her with this massive dog which hadn’t been trained to walk on a loose lead.

PepeLePugh · 11/11/2023 09:47

SayingwhatIreallythink · 11/11/2023 08:58

She won't be able to hold the bloody thing back once it's matured

This is a big problem. So often the large men of the household pick up these dogs, then expect their wife to walk it.

This is very true and I have seen this so often not just XL Bully's but other large breeds and the women clearly cannot cope with it.

These men also tend to be the same ones who say they don't need to take their dogs to training as they had them growing up and know it all already 🙄