Gym response to being flashed in ladies changing room?

I agree that DL hate women. My sister works there and her ex is a member who has been in trouble for stalking her and harassing her to the extent the police have been involved and spoken to him more than once. He’s a member there and sits and watches her while she’s working at the bar. She’s asked for him to be banned and the managers say he’s a member and he’s not doing anything wrong by sitting in the members lounge by the bar. 🤷‍♀️.

I get that he hasn’t done anything illegal but if the managers wanted to protect a vulnerable female employee they could do, they can ban who they want. But they refuse. But they also illegally withhold sick pay and discriminate against staff against the Equality Act.

Ive been there today and there was a male boy in the changing rooms as tall as me (5ft4”), no way was he under 9yo. There is often 11yo, 12yo boys in there ogling the females getting changed (what pre teen boy wouldn’t). Including their female classmates if they happen to be there! I mean I do blame the mothers but the club won’t crack down on it and enforce their own rules! They say the kids could have learning difficulties. Well my friends dd is in the same secondary school class as one regular attendee and says he’s got no learning difficulties to the extent he can’t get himself dressed!

Reasons why staff may not have found CCTV evidence of a male going into the ladies.
1, He may not have put much effort into changing appearance, jeans, flat boots and a parker style jacket are fairly unisex.

2, He might have used a female disguise, they might be looking for an obvious male.

3, The male could have been in a cubical (lots of gyms have a few individual cubicles as well as open plan area) for a while, awaiting the right moment

4, He could have entered the female changing from the pool side and them not check that camera on the pool side, ie gone into the Males, taken of his clothes, gone poolside to sauna. Then made his way into the ladies in a towel.

The gym aren't going to contact the police so Op should contact them. It needs a proper investigation not a 5min scan through the CCTV around the time of the incident.

Used to train with Anytime. They were very proactive in the only one time there was any trouble. A man for no reason in the weight area started running around screaming and shouting and attacking inanimate objects (most likely roid rage). Police were involved and he was banned. Also the single use changing rooms were locked when gym staff were there. Very odd that OPs staff have no CCTV or evidence. They should do, raise it with police, press and local MP. Absolute disgrace!!

Again no one is being transphobic, people have just pointed out that men will dress up as women to gain access to womens spaces!

https://x.com/EmmaHardy196290/status/1666099456624799744?s=20

@fuzzleberry scroll up on this thread; @HardyEM the person who’s taking this action has posted a link to her fundraiser which has details

Do you know which club they're a member of up north? I'm trying to find this in Twitter, I'm a DL member and I was sure rooms were split by sex, v disappointed this isn't the case from reading in here

And if you take that position, on what basis are you suggesting DL's response is because of or affected by someone's definition of what a woman is?

There are those zebras again.

He was naked. How do you present as anything when naked.

And 3 out of the 4 scenarios allow a male to flash women and have it be ok.

They came from outside the changing room rather than using it as a woman and the OP has said nothing about their being trans or female presenting. Unless she updates to say otherwise, pray tell on what basis would DL's position be based on a differing view of what a woman is?

Yup, hear hooves and think Zebras.

It has everything to do with it.

The possible outcomes here are

A man went in to flash women in the womens changing room

The op and DL are working from different definitions of man/male hence the confusion/cover up

A man went in and could lie about being trans to cover his crime

It was a transwomen.

What accusation needs to be made other than a man came from outside the changing room in a towel, flashed OP and left? There ia literally nothing to suggest this has anything to do with any debate on transgender issues that has any relevance to any accusation that would be made?

Talk about hearing hooves and thinking zebras.

Those making accusations of transphobia..how is DL or the OP meant to tell the difference between a naked man and a naked transwoman so she doesn't make any false accusations. You have the answers right?

@Shroedy this is true a towel is a fairly unisex item.

Op needs to go to the police and get them to conduct an investigation rather than getting DL to do it.

Report this crime to the police.

The trans hate on this thread is intense - the gym aren’t paying attention to the OP, and neither are half the people replying here because they’re shadowing the post with their own transphobic agenda. At no point has the OP said the individual was transgender.

I think @Conkersinautumn is probably pointing out the OP has at no point said or suggested that the person was trans or female-presenting and yet this has been inferred / assumed by lots of people on this thread. Just a thought...

Who's making what up?
Are you saying you think the Op is lying about what happened?

Or that other posters are lying about a female 'appearance' being used by males to access female spaces?
Isla Bryson says it all, create a loophole and a rapist will exploit it.

Even if Op has made it up. DL are playing with fire if they have changing room policies based on appearance rather than sex. I wouldn't like to be in their position trying to defend a serious assault or rape on their premises because they gave males access to female open plan changing rooms.

A phobia used to mean an ( sometimes) irrational fear that you cannot help, for example I'm terrified of spiders.
Why is it now added to things that people are clearly not afraid of ?

Jeez I think that is exactly what conkers is saying.

What do you mean @Conkersinautumn ? Are you saying @Yajebbend is lying?

The gym are trying to avoid controversy.

Report to the Police asap and tell them the gym are being obstructive. Hopefully they can get a hold of that CCTV footage.

Not a nice thing to go through and, as flashers tend to escalate, really worrying for female members of that club.

There are gyms (PureGym) where you can go 24/7 and often it is not staffed - mine often is on a Saturday afternoon when I go, never mind at 3am (when I most definitely do not go).

It relies on CCTV and people generally behaving themselves, and being identifiable through their membership. I hope they would take any report like this extremely seriously. It all falls to bits if women are harassed and attacked.

My daughter and I did not join the David Lloyd gym near to us for similar reasons. We had guest passes so we could see what it was like. Creepy men joining us in the sauna and the jacuzzi, asking my daughter for her number, asking me to ask her for a date..hanging around when she was on the treadmill, things like that.
The worst one was the man who tried talking to us in the gym and then hung around in reception waiting for us to leave, looking for the car in the car park ( we had ducked down in the seats) and then on spotting us - running after the car. Staff never saw anything on camera.