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Relative burned through funds and now mooching

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coldcallerbaiter · 04/11/2023 22:41

AIBU to get involved? I have not said too much to him yet

So my cousin lost his parents in his 20s and got easily a million pounds in those days. He is around 60 now. Never had a job, playboy lifestyle in the Far East, womanising, divorces, no kids. Now he is back in the UK and has nowhere to go. Will not admit he is skint but then hints to live with my elderly mum in her spare room. He is not entitled to benefits as he never lived here and did not pay in or get credits. I do not know if he will even get a state pension later on. I think he should get a job and pay his rent somewhere but I doubt he will as working is beneath him, especially as it would be unskilled stuff, he wants to mooch off her. He has expensive tastes too and is in and out at night probably to bars. My mum is now phoning me worried in case he will not leave, also her quiet life is being disturbed

They are actually close as she was like a mother to him before he left to go abroad and were in touch all the years with visits.

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Zanatdy · 12/11/2024 06:35

I’d be dropping him a message to say he needs to stop asking your DM for train and uber fare to visit her. It’s for his benefit not hers. Absolute cheek he’s lived the life of Riley over the years, and now he just expects someone else to help him. Well he can get a job and stop leeching off an elderly lady.

InMySpareTime · 12/11/2024 06:11

Can you/your mum sell some of his garage things to cover the cost of travel each time he visits?

T1Dmama · 11/11/2024 23:48

I wouldn’t be avoiding him at all… I’d be inserting myself into your mums as much as possible…. Make it incredibly uncomfortable for him to be there!

Mirabai · 11/11/2024 23:37

Where are you with PoA? Have you applied?

OttersAreMySpiritAnimal · 11/11/2024 22:55

Worth reiterating that if DM didn't give the funds he might stop visiting? Did you get the POA sorted?
I really feel for you, I dread something like this happening with my DM.
I'd be tempted to invent an infestation and tell him he has to move all his stuff into storage while the house is fumigated and pest control sort the issue. Then just don't let him bring it back.
I'd also be batting back on the MH issues and tell him it's triggering for your DM and he needs to be more mindful of what he's telling her. Remind him that she's elderly and shouldn't be taking on his woes at her time of life, these are her golden years, don't let him take the shine off.
I'd probably also start messaging him with job adverts, it's a great time to pick up seasonal work. John Lewis elf??
You sound like a fantastic daughter, you've done good.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 11/11/2024 22:14

Babyroobs · 04/11/2023 23:10

He will get pension credit when he turns state pension age. I have helped people to claim it recently when they've not lived here for years and never paid NI contributions. he should actually also be able to claim Universal credit now if he can pass the habitual residency test and show that he is settled here. he would of course need to look for work for 35 hours a week assuming no medical conditions which prevent him doing so.

And what’s the betting he still won’t work? He can claim MH issues and nobody nowadays can call his bluff. It’s like the unprovable ‘bad back’ of former times.

coldcallerbaiter · 11/11/2024 22:07

And his stuff is still in her garage and spare room, he rents a studio bedsit and didn’t have the room for it. It’s actually stuff he could sell, would make several hundreds at least but he is too lazy to bother. He is still leaving lights and appliances on when visiting and asked for his travel costs to and from visiting her by train to be covered by her and she gave it to him about £150 in trains and Uber, each time he comes.

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coldcallerbaiter · 11/11/2024 21:57

Not sure if I can update thread, but anyway I predicted mooch would play the MH card, and Suic&&e (not sure if I can say that) card, he is staying for 3 weeks at a time every 2-3 months. He wants to go there for Christmas. So it means I have to avoid him. She cannot turn him down as he is miserable. She is letting him stay but he always over stays, dm has refused to let him move in permanently but I know he won’t stop the manipulative tactics. He knows I am watching him but I guess he is desperate. He won’t get a job, so will be homeless soon I predict.

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Riverlee · 26/01/2024 19:48

Thanks for the update. Yes only just moved, so probably hasn’t got around to registering with gp.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/01/2024 19:32

Good to hear that you're keeping an eye on him OP. There's no doubt that he'll be back if he thinks there's a chance. Keep sharing your concerns with others including family so that he has nowhere to hide!

Cosmosforbreakfast · 26/01/2024 17:30

Glad you and your mum are doing well OP. If he hasn't registered with doctor council etc maybe he intends to move on somewhere else? Whatever he's at, keep an eye, he won't have given up that easily.

coldcallerbaiter · 26/01/2024 15:49

@LookItsMeAgain Thanks for checking in. Dm is fine. Mooch seems settled where he is now. Lack of funds may bring him back to our attention, I honestly think saying no surprised him but it is for his own good and dignity long term, he will need to sink or swim.
Something smells wrong the more I hear about him, he hasn’t registered himself for drs, council or anything. He is kind of sub-letting for cash. Surely he would want to claim benefits…but he isn’t. I cannot see how he is even legally able to do this.

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LookItsMeAgain · 26/01/2024 13:58

@coldcallerbaiter - just thought I'd check in to see how you and your mum are getting on, now that the moocher has moved on.

Hopefully your mum isn't missing his company (this might be a thing) and is enjoying her home again without the 'shadow' lurking.

Startyabastard · 17/01/2024 10:34

He sounds absolutely awful.

FerretFarago · 13/01/2024 11:37

I think you need to give your other relatives (flying monkeys) a gentle warning that he’s blown through his inheritance and he thought your DMum would be a cushy billet (he was expecting her to house him, feed him and do his chores while he was telling everyone else he was her new carer) and he will probably looking for someone else in the family he can sponge off instead!! Remind them that he’s burned through his inheritance, sold his flat in the UK (why couldn’t he have lived there and got a job) and that once he’s established in someone else’s house he’ll be hoping to be a dependant for the rest of his life!!

binkie163 · 13/01/2024 09:36

So glad to read your update.

ThePoshUns · 13/01/2024 08:29

Well done OP on getting him out but you'll need to watch him like a hawk. He's a manipulator and will likely keep up or have a new sob story to keep your mum on his side. A POA needs to be sorted ASAP before your mums state of mind deteriorates as she needs capacity to sign the documents. Good luck.

LightofMoonbeams · 13/01/2024 04:07

I woudn't be surprised if Mooch finds another target on the dating scene. (Rich widow scenario).
He must surely realise you are not going to allow him to leech off your Mum.
However, I do agree all measures need to be put in place so he knows you mean business.

Nanaof1 · 13/01/2024 03:51

I am also very glad he is gone but he will return, with a new sob story. Before he does that, you need to get a POA and do what you can to protect your Mom financially. A nanny cam would not be a bad idea either. Changing the locks will help, until he worms his way through the door, but at least it will stop him for a bit (I am betting he made a copy of her key).

I also like the idea of you moving a few things into the spare room and call it "your room" to your Mom. Perhaps come and stay the night when you can. I used to do that with my Mom, though she lived closer, and it really was fun. We even went out late to a 24-hour restaurant a few times. But just hanging with her made memories for me (and yes, she could also be contrary/stubborn).

You are a great daughter to care so much about your Mom. Mooch doesn't really care about your Mom, except for what he feels he can get from her. Protect your Mom. Hopefully, she has a will and copies are secure. If not, she needs to make one before she gets too "forgetful".

You have a lot of people pulling for you both. I think some have learned from experience, and some are just superb at seeing the poison ivy in the woods. I've been there, done that and the dang thieves took the t-shirt too. 😳😖

SunRainStorm · 13/01/2024 00:47

So glad he's gone!

OliveToboogie · 13/01/2024 00:25

I would be tempted to have a talk with him without your mum there. Tell him you have his card marked. If he puts so much as a toenail back in your mum's house you will be down on him like a ton of bricks. He is a Narcissist and a con man. Be careful.

greenhydrangea · 13/01/2024 00:17

coldcallerbaiter · 04/11/2023 23:55

No he is a guest so not paying any rent, she would not accept it anyway. He has moved all his possessions in too, some furniture etc, he has emigrated. It’s all in her garage.

Glad to read your update. And glad you're having a respite day. But you really do need to heed advice from pp above and change the locks, and get a POA, stat.

Did he remove all his possessions from the garage? I hope so.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 12/01/2024 22:57

Pleased to see your update OP but do not for one second take your eye off or trust this guy. He has your mum well and truly under his control. You being the 'bad guy' and him 'the victim' shows this. He will be hatching some sort of back up plan while you think he's out of your hair.

Your mum may be in early stages of dementia. Get her a referral to be assessed. Get the POA done as soon as possible. Make sure he doesn't get a key or get to stay the night. Get a ring doorbell installed. He knows you're onto him, he gave you one hell of a fight to get him out. He won't give up just because you got him out this time.

SleepPrettyDarling · 12/01/2024 22:39

Well done on getting him out. And it sounds like you will keep a close and watchful eye on your mum’s house. Maybe make a few changes to her spare room, leave a few of your personal items there like pyjamas, toiletries, photos, so it’s no longer ‘the spare room’ but your room for when you find to visit.

does your mum need ongoing care like a neighbour/cater popping in once or twice a week?

And make sure you get the POA sorted as soon as you can.

DriftingDora · 12/01/2024 22:27

He isn't gone, gone. He's just thinking up what scheme he can try next.