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Relative burned through funds and now mooching

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coldcallerbaiter · 04/11/2023 22:41

AIBU to get involved? I have not said too much to him yet

So my cousin lost his parents in his 20s and got easily a million pounds in those days. He is around 60 now. Never had a job, playboy lifestyle in the Far East, womanising, divorces, no kids. Now he is back in the UK and has nowhere to go. Will not admit he is skint but then hints to live with my elderly mum in her spare room. He is not entitled to benefits as he never lived here and did not pay in or get credits. I do not know if he will even get a state pension later on. I think he should get a job and pay his rent somewhere but I doubt he will as working is beneath him, especially as it would be unskilled stuff, he wants to mooch off her. He has expensive tastes too and is in and out at night probably to bars. My mum is now phoning me worried in case he will not leave, also her quiet life is being disturbed

They are actually close as she was like a mother to him before he left to go abroad and were in touch all the years with visits.

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coldcallerbaiter · 11/12/2024 11:45

Cosmosforbreakfast · 11/12/2024 10:34

Op's mum would probably choose Mooch, he has some bizarre control over OP's mum and an ultimatum like that is exactly what he wants.

An ultimatum would suit mooch. I would never walk away from my dm. He does not have that power over me.

it is not bizarre control, it is a close nephew relationship of 60 years. Dm actually could have let him move in and she didn’t- so that tells me something about what she wants. She was adamant.

She thinks his visits are too long but on the other hand has not said anything to him about it, so that is her boundary line. My only concern is a creep in as she loses faculties, so I have to stay involved.

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Cosmosforbreakfast · 11/12/2024 10:34

Op's mum would probably choose Mooch, he has some bizarre control over OP's mum and an ultimatum like that is exactly what he wants.

LookItsMeAgain · 11/12/2024 09:49

Worst case scenario for you OP - would you consider talking to your mother and telling her that if she continues to house this moocher, you will withdraw entirely and contact your solicitor to cease the LPA and you will cut her off?

Make it a you or him decision? It would be tough and you would have to be strong and just not respond to any of her pleas or requests for help and you would have to be ok with not being a recipient of any inheritance (if it came to that) but put it to her, while she still has her faculties, that it's either you or him?

coldcallerbaiter · 10/12/2024 21:05

Jagoda · 10/12/2024 20:52

Would your mother consider selling up and buying a one bedroom property much closer to you?

I think he’s just moving in by stealth.

This is a downsize albeit 10 years ago. I think she does not want to move now. She has a lovely set up, friends and town. My dd wants to go live near her after uni, very walking friendly area and high street - dd is named after her.

Mooch would probably ask to live in a 1 bed with her anyhow!

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Jagoda · 10/12/2024 21:03

Tell him your mums nosy neighbour had dobbed her in to the council so he can’t stay more than one night a month now.

coldcallerbaiter · 10/12/2024 21:01

Bumblebeestiltskin · 10/12/2024 20:54

Doesn't she get single person discount for council tax? I've no idea on the regulations around it, but might be worth looking into.

Good point! Yes she would do.
I know his response would be but we won’t tell. But if he won’t hear no then this would help and redirect his thoughts. He would make a perfect c&&klodger if anyone wants one?

Except please note his preferences are at least 20 years younger than him, that’s what he is used to, and is a bit put out that none are interested in this country unsurprisingly.

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Bumblebeestiltskin · 10/12/2024 20:54

coldcallerbaiter · 10/12/2024 20:43

No, but he doesn’t know that! That’s actually a good idea. Means him reasoning with us makes no difference- it’s out if our hands.

Doesn't she get single person discount for council tax? I've no idea on the regulations around it, but might be worth looking into.

Jagoda · 10/12/2024 20:52

Would your mother consider selling up and buying a one bedroom property much closer to you?

I think he’s just moving in by stealth.

coldcallerbaiter · 10/12/2024 20:43

LookItsMeAgain · 09/12/2024 22:58

I've had a thought - does your mum claim for any form of benefits that require her to be living alone? If so, can you impress on her that if this relative is shown to have stayed more than X number of days, she is likely to lose out of this benefit? Might that be a way to change her mind on his bloke?

No, but he doesn’t know that! That’s actually a good idea. Means him reasoning with us makes no difference- it’s out if our hands.

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Doubledodecahedron · 10/12/2024 20:38

stayathomegardener · 10/12/2024 10:41

Perhaps you could add an additional basic lock to the front door?

Good idea!

SuperfluousHen · 10/12/2024 11:08

How frustrating that this miserable bastard is still mooching off your elderly mother’s good nature. I would be so enraged. I’m sure you are too. So stressful for you all.

stayathomegardener · 10/12/2024 10:41

Perhaps you could add an additional basic lock to the front door?

Bettyfromlondon · 10/12/2024 09:06

I think it is important for you (and family members of possible) to physically insert yourself into this situation on a regular basis by visiting even though you live a few hours away. Perhaps during his three week stay would be a good time to start. I hope you got the surgery you were waiting for and you are physically stronger now. I am not suggesting you are going to manhandle him out (!) but you become an irritant to him while ostensibly caring for your mother and arranging lovely treats with her. I would be tempted to get into the bedroom with his stored items and rearrange the boxes to free up space for visitors!

At the moment you are not worried about cognitive or physical decline but in time these things can be covered up if the main communication is by phone and your mother would then be extra vulnerable to persuasion.

You already have a camera set up for the front door so will see and hopefully screenshot evidence of him using the stolen key.

Of course, you, your husband and children have busy lives of your own to manage but this man is playing a long game so it would be unwise to let him feel too complacent. It is so stressful for you to be in this situation and feel powerless at your mother's complicity. I hope Xmas 2025 is very different for you.

LookItsMeAgain · 09/12/2024 22:58

I've had a thought - does your mum claim for any form of benefits that require her to be living alone? If so, can you impress on her that if this relative is shown to have stayed more than X number of days, she is likely to lose out of this benefit? Might that be a way to change her mind on his bloke?

Mindymomo · 09/12/2024 17:56

I am sorry, I started re-reading this thread and it seems your DM and you are in the same situation as last year. I wonder what his excuses for staying beyond Christmas will be.

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 23:40

I think—not that it matters what I think—that OP and her mother and this man are trapped in the drama triangle—the more OP tries to rescue her mother the more her mother and this man wring their hands and pretend OP is persecuting him.

At the same time this is sucking up the last years of OP’s mother’s life. What a wastt!

greenhydrangea · 08/12/2024 23:23

coldcallerbaiter · 08/12/2024 12:21

Active such as calling the police? I can’t, that would upset her and make me look terrible, she doesn’t think it is a serious issue, she opens the door to him voluntarily

This situation is more subtle. His initial plan got thwarted but I think he is waiting til she is frail and will try again then to live at the house.

The keys part is theft, but where is the proof? He does not use the missing key but I know he has it. How does one master key come off a steel key ring leaving the others still in there? He is lying like a little child. He never grew up and got everything he wanted his whole life by buying it.

Now Christmas has come around again, and I am going to have to seethe because dm wants me to be civil.

When he was there last time he accompanied her on some hospital appointments that her cleaner/me/neighbour who have cars normally would go with her, she let him do it and said what a ‘good boy’ he had been! But they got in taxis so how was that helping? If he is there 25% of the time he is bound to do helpful things too.

Edited

No, I hadn't thought of the police. But when you posted about this creep over a year ago, there was a lot of good advice, some of it legal, and some of it practical. I would have thought you would have followed through on some of it and got his stuff out of the garage - that is what I was referring to.

Obviously, you are going to have to escalate this, soyes, perhaps do call the police. And as others have said, there is no lock that cannot be replaced.

If he is this bad now, how awful will he be to deal with and get out if your mother dies.

AdmittowearingCrocs · 08/12/2024 21:47

The difficulty is that all the time the OP’s DM has the capacity to make an informed choice, she has the right to make unwise choices.

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 21:41

Possession is 9 tenths of the law.

We all get that the problem is your mother treats him like a lovable scamp sibling of yours. So she can’t bring herself to say no and you don’t have a leg to stand on, legally. That is why the most sensible thing to do is bring extra judicial means to bear and just firmly dispossess him. Let him know that all future visits will be for a weekend only.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 08/12/2024 21:06

coldcallerbaiter · 08/12/2024 20:07

He visits for weeks at a time but he does not live there. He wanted to and still wants to live with her but he has his own rental now for the last year. Having his crappy memorabilia at her house doesn’t constitute residency afaik.

Ah he's not going to care about legalities. He'll just refuse to leave, claim your mum promised him all sorts (that's if he doesn't get her will changed in the meantime) and continue trying to get his hands on your mum's house while you go broke paying legal expenses to try get him out. People like this are a permanent headache.

ChilledBeez · 08/12/2024 20:30

I've been through something similar so I completely understand how you are feeling. Its easy for people to say "i would do this - I would do that - it's not that simple with these situations. It's beyond frustrating when DM just goes along with these leeches.

Just be sure he doesn't have any of his post going there. People like him are so conniving. He obviously does not give a fig what you think or feel. He is obviously taking major advantage of your DM's kind nature.

coldcallerbaiter · 08/12/2024 20:07

Cosmosforbreakfast · 08/12/2024 19:45

The big guns come out at the point he tries to move in or establishes residency.

This will be far too late, he will be prepared. you will have too much on your hands, it could be tied up in court for years. You might never get rid of him.

I will go in and boot him out. There are more of us than there are of him. That’s not a problem. 2 sons and a husband. In fact my dd and I could probably handle the pipsqueak.

Do this now then.

The time to act is now. Venting now is not going to get this leech out of your mums house when she's gone, he's spent all her money and you have a fight for your mum's house on your hands. Now is when you need to take action.

He visits for weeks at a time but he does not live there. He wanted to and still wants to live with her but he has his own rental now for the last year. Having his crappy memorabilia at her house doesn’t constitute residency afaik.

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ooohsopink · 08/12/2024 19:46

Maybe increase the camera surveillance options - not a bad idea to keep a better eye on your mum, but you could also cover the door he uses to get in. If he's using a key, then you have your proof. You can also make sure he isn't removing items from the house to sell etc.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 08/12/2024 19:45

The big guns come out at the point he tries to move in or establishes residency.

This will be far too late, he will be prepared. you will have too much on your hands, it could be tied up in court for years. You might never get rid of him.

I will go in and boot him out. There are more of us than there are of him. That’s not a problem. 2 sons and a husband. In fact my dd and I could probably handle the pipsqueak.

Do this now then.

The time to act is now. Venting now is not going to get this leech out of your mums house when she's gone, he's spent all her money and you have a fight for your mum's house on your hands. Now is when you need to take action.

pikkumyy77 · 08/12/2024 19:32

Ok. You know him best. But he is desperate, and resentful, and quite willing to lie and steal to try to assure his own comfort. That kind of person can act viciously when cornered or denied.