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To think someone must be able to do something - part 3

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PurpleLampShades · 01/11/2023 09:09

I never thought I’d be needing to start a third thread but here we are. The first two threads have been a great source of support for me so I’m going to carry on.

First Thread
Second Thread

Long story short - DS (17) has been in a “relationship” with a woman 11 years older than him that I believe started when he was 15, though I have no proof as they deny it. This has been going on since at least March 2022. SS, the police and the DSL at his college have all been involved and things from that front have been pretty much exhausted. He has been on CIN and early intervention plans, been visited/spoken to by the police, offered workshops, counselling, contact centre etc. The main stumbling blocks are DS’s refusal/inability to recognise the abusive and toxic situation he is in and the resulting refusal to engage with services to extract him from it.
She is abusive, manipulative and extremely controlling. She has isolated him almost entirely from friends, family and hobbies. She is destroying his self esteem, confidence and self-worth. She controls his phone, who he speaks to, where he goes, what he does. I know she has slapped him around the face more than once and was seen to put her hand around his throat while they were kissing once. I don’t know if there are other incidents like that. The remaining protective factor is that he is still managing to attend college, although attendance is a bit of a concern.

I am at the point of not really knowing what to do now. I feel like I’ve lost him.

OP posts:
LizzieRose16 · 18/11/2023 15:28

cloverpots · 18/11/2023 15:02

WTF!!! it's just sunk in that he saved all that money and she took someone he'd never met, rather than him, to the Spa. She is all kinds of vile.

Thank God you didn't give him the money. Your hard earned wages would have been used to facilitate a day of luxury for your son's abuser and a complete stranger. Or worse, if her plan had worked, you would have likely paid for these two delightful ladies to have a weekend away on your dime.

This is PRECISELY why you should not, in any shape or form, fund this ridiculous "relationship".

cloverpots · 18/11/2023 15:02

WTF!!! it's just sunk in that he saved all that money and she took someone he'd never met, rather than him, to the Spa. She is all kinds of vile.

Thank God you didn't give him the money. Your hard earned wages would have been used to facilitate a day of luxury for your son's abuser and a complete stranger. Or worse, if her plan had worked, you would have likely paid for these two delightful ladies to have a weekend away on your dime.

SunshineRoo27 · 18/11/2023 14:56

Go get your boy!

I think he might be ready and it seems like now could be the best chance you have.

Best scenario is you help pack his things and bring him home or worst case is that he stays but he knows that you're ready when he ready.

I really hope he comes home x

WavyLines11 · 18/11/2023 14:54

Mmm in hindsight if you go round there it might push him to step away again. Maybe you can see how things pan out this week and call into college again?

Also the ring doorbell point is something I hadn't thought of...

I would just take every opportunity you can to remind him you love him and home is always there for him and he can come back anytime day or night.

Inthebleakmidwinter2 · 18/11/2023 14:50

Sounds like there's a lot of hope to me.

cloverpots · 18/11/2023 14:43

Good to hear he phoned you Purple, I'm really pleased for you, it's a move in the right direction, tough love does work!

I suspect he used a pay phone because she will check to see if he called anyone whilst she was away. I really feel for you, it's beyond frustrating that he can't see how abusive this relationship is.

I don't know if you should drive round to him, he mentioned making the house perfect and cooking a nice meal for when she returns so it doesn't sound as if he's in the frame of mind to leave just yet.

xxx

ObsidianGrape · 18/11/2023 14:34

Hi op, I've never commented on your posts before but I have read them all and kept up to date.

I think if he broke up with her he would feel relief that it's all over. Maybe you can say to him to imagine how it would feel to break up with her and to not have to worry about upsetting her or doing things wrong ever again. Tell him that's he's clearly not happy and healthy relationships are not meant to be this hard and that he would feel relief when it's all over.

I think telling him exactly how you feel and how you've seen he's changed since he met her has helped and there is no point trying to be understanding incase he stops seeing you, you need to keep speaking your mind and try and show how it's controlling. Maybe print out info on controlling relationships so he can see for himself.

I think when he matures a bit more he will eventually leave he. He's just so young and has been easily manipulated by her and doesn't know what a good relationship is.

storminabuttercup · 18/11/2023 14:27

PurpleLampShades · 18/11/2023 14:26

She’s out for the day, not overnight. He’s cleaning and then making a special meal for tonight when she’s back. I don’t know what time she’ll be coming back.

The parcel idea might be ok. I could drop off some champagne maybe?

Sorry I misread and assumed it was over night,

Champagne is a good call.

PurpleLampShades · 18/11/2023 14:26

She’s out for the day, not overnight. He’s cleaning and then making a special meal for tonight when she’s back. I don’t know what time she’ll be coming back.

The parcel idea might be ok. I could drop off some champagne maybe?

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Sauvblanctime · 18/11/2023 14:25

If she’s on a spa day, she may not have her phone nearby to see any notifications anyway…

PurpleLampShades · 18/11/2023 14:23

Oh, I didn’t even think of a ring doorbell. I don’t know if they have one of those. I should have asked.

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storminabuttercup · 18/11/2023 14:23

Is she out all night? There's something odd about him 'not being able to find his charger'

I would go, carry an envelope or parcel so if she sees you arrive on ring or whatever he can say you were dropping off a parcel, ask him if he wants to come home. I think he's seeing sense.

Sending you strength this must be awful

Sauvblanctime · 18/11/2023 14:19

PurpleLampShades · 18/11/2023 14:07

I’m sitting here with my car keys in my hand. I am so completely torn about whether to go round there or not. Is this my chance to get him to see sense? Or will it push him too far so he closes off again?

go go goooooo mama!!

SkyFullofStars1975 · 18/11/2023 14:14

If she's got a RING doorbell or some sort of video surveillance, it could make things even harder for him. He knows where you are. Hard, I know.

albapunk · 18/11/2023 14:12

It sounds like he is breaking and he needs his mum. At this point I wouldn't care anymore and I'd go around, say he can come home and open that door. That he is in an abusive relationship wether he likes it or not.

Hes scared of her. I'd be stepping on her turf now and showing you are strong and will always be there for your son.

Is that right or wrong to do that? I'm not sure but I'd have broken by now, you have been so so strong OP.

LizzieRose16 · 18/11/2023 14:11

Another one who is chuffed to bits for you that he phoned.

He needed to hear those home truths the other day and whilst today's call is a positive please don't let this derail you from the tough love path.

Just a thought, does she look a lot older than him, is their age difference very noticable? If so, I wonder if she felt too embarrassed to have a young looking lad share her room for a spa weekend?

SkyFullofStars1975 · 18/11/2023 14:08

This part needs to come from him, Purple, and I would do exactly what you're doing. He knows you're there for him, and maybe next him he calls/phones just gently remind him that your door is always open. You can't push or rush this part, he's obviously starting to realise that it's not the great love that he thought it was. And if she's leaving him alone for a weekend, she must be loosening her control to a degree.

He's turning to you. That's such a massive step forwards. Let him take those baby steps back towards you. You've done all of this with such courage and dignity, and for that you should be incredibly proud of yourself.

PurpleLampShades · 18/11/2023 14:07

I’m sitting here with my car keys in my hand. I am so completely torn about whether to go round there or not. Is this my chance to get him to see sense? Or will it push him too far so he closes off again?

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CloverHilla · 18/11/2023 14:01

I've been following under various names Purple since very early , and I'm seeing some hope here.
It's absolutely devastating what you and your DS are going through, I am in awe of your strength! I know it's so tough, and I can't even begin to imagine how you've gotten through this.

Keep the lines of communication open, it's great he's been in touch (even if it was asking for money), but don't be afraid to tell him it's an abusive relationship and she is abusing him, and remind him he always has a home with you!

Thinking of you as always 💜💜💜💜

notapizzaeater · 18/11/2023 13:46

I'm so pleased he's phoned you slowly he's realising .....

L1ttledrummergirl · 18/11/2023 13:42

Oh purple, it's amazing that he called you. The first time is always the hardest and he's taken his first step home.

WavyLines11 · 18/11/2023 13:40

It's a massive step purple that he's called you.

I would go to him now while I know she's not there Flowers

Daftapath · 18/11/2023 13:38

I agree that the fact he has called you (and found a way to do so!) this is a huge step . I would see that as a positive.

If you speak to him again, I would make it clear that he understands that he can move back home at any point.

Dwrcegin · 18/11/2023 13:35

'Wasn't what she really wanted' fuck me what an ungrateful, vile witch.

Flabbergasted, she has a friend to take with her to a spa to be frank. I wonder if they know her child bf paid for it? She is horrendously shameless.

Sauvblanctime · 18/11/2023 13:35

lbnblbnb · 18/11/2023 13:34

He rang you
He has opened up to you - a little
He talked about your birthday

Given he is in a controlling relationship, those are all massive wins.

My heart breaks for you - but it is a start.

You could drop off some nice lunch for him, as someone has suggested.

I think the wool is starting to fall from his eyes. Thankfully!