AIBU to say Taylor Swift is a once in a generation songwriter?

Reputation is the only Taylor Swift album I don’t really like. She seems so driven and up for new challenges, I wouldn’t be surprised if she got more involved with other enterprises outside music.

I meant that I don't see her ever fading into obscurity like a lot of artists do. Her tours will always sell out now.

Yes it was cool to hate her back then.
Reputation wasn't a normal album and tour. It was very much a response to everything that happened regarding her cancellation. Kim Kardashian called her a snake and so people flooded her timeline with snake emojis and hate. She turned it around by embracing the snake and making it a big part of the album and tour.

Her popularity rose with folklore. Before the tour. Nobody had seen the tour when Ticketmaster crashed went into meltdown in US.

But you obviously know more than I do.

It was cool to hate her? She just wasn't as popular as she is now. My daughter liked some of her songs but never asked to see her back then, she did ask to go to other concerts though. Same with lots of people, they just weren't bothered.

Now it's full on Taylor Mania and that only started because of the tour. She'll always be a superstar but the mania will die down.

It's not a 'genius move' to come back and tour again, it's just a normal thing for artists to do!

I'm trying to imagine someone saying 'I can see why she' d appeal to the masses but I...' in real life. I can't. Thankfully.

Think some people are deluded

I don't believe that popularity will ever dwindle again.

I actually like her, but do people really think this? No one remains super popular forever.

Yes in 2018 they were giving away some free tickets to the reputation tour in Dublin and the UK as a direct result of her 2016 cancellation. It was cool to hate her and so reputation the album didn't get the recognition it deserved. In contrast, the 1989 tour sold out immediately (smaller venues though, admittedly). The rep tour was still a massive success though because it was an incredible show (it's on Netflix, you should watch it).

The tour added to her popularity a lot, it was a genius move really to come back fighting. Lover was big too in 2019, but it was really folklore and evermore in 2020 that cemented her popularity. I don't believe that popularity will ever dwindle again.

Yeah it's only in the last two or three years that her popularity reached Adele/Sheeran levels here (although not in album sales it must be said..maybe young teens (Swift's biggest market) dont buy as many of them...perhaps its more about TS bracelets or sparkly things with TS emblazoned on it).

She has her market and good luck to her.

I had a listen to Taylor Swift today - I can see why she’d appeal to the masses but when it come to female singers I think I’ll stick to Michelle Shocked, KD Lang, Tracey Chapman, Etta James, Janis Joplin, Annie Lennox, Delores O’Riordan, Stevie Nicks and Beth Hart.

Just back from watching the cinema version of the Eras tour. It was sooo amazing. Really exceeded my expectations as a cinema performance. Gutted I couldn’t get tickets for the live concert. Those going are in for an amazing time.

I said 'bedroom pop' became very popular over lockdown with the likes of Olivia etc...and so I think that that probably brought a lot of new listeners to Taylor and made her more famous.

I never said she wasn't famous before, but that I was stunned by how popular she is NOW, because she wasn't as popular before, as I said they had to give out free tickets to fill the stadium in Ireland when she played in 2018...and that was after those albums, MTV awards and grammys.

Trying to deflect from your extremely offensive comments there!!

What did he do in Italy that suggests he's mentally ill? Nothing.
The only controversies in the months they were in Italy was the alleged oral sex on a boat and the way his wife is dressed.

@Panaa became popular after lock down? I think you must be confusing her with someone else. She'd won multiple grammys, MTV awards etc before lockdown. Red and 1989 were absolutely massive albums.

I dint understand why people write stuff like that without apparently knowing anything about it?

Your definition of "seems fine" and mine are clearly very different, given the recent well reported goings on in Italy.

You’re right. In fact Bigger Than The Whole Sky is the very definition of bubblegum pop and is indistinguishable from Shake It Off, which in turn sounds exactly the same as My Tears Ricochet.

Us Taylor Swift fans can only dream of having your sophisticated taste.

if you are 12 then it might feel like it

😂😂😂😂😂

Don't get the Taylor Swift hype at all. It's banal bubblegum pop which all sounds the same and rather forgettable.

She’s not for everyone, but to say it ‘all sounds the same’, you either can’t hear well or haven’t listened to many songs.

Don't get the Taylor Swift hype at all. It's banal bubblegum pop which all sounds the same and rather forgettable.

Very offensive to mentally ill people. Are you saying people shouldn't be fans of mentally ill people because of things they do/say when ill? He seems fine at the moment so are we allowed to be fans now? Or do we have to hold his past against him even if he was mentally ill at the time?

She decides the vision, direction and details. She makes the deals with streaming channels etc. Of course she delegates lots of things. But no one is managing her. Not sure why people don't believe this? She doesn't have a manager/management team that makes decisions about her career. She makes the decisions and has her staff carry them out.

Of course there are managers in her team, e.g. a tour manager etc. But no one is telling Taylor what to do. She doesn't have anyone managing her. Unlike most big musicians and bands.

Not sure I can say this any more clearly!

I agree, OP. I think she’s a magnificent force of nature.

There are a few heavy handed duds like You Need To Calm Down. But the ten minute version of All Too Well is a masterpiece.

KW is a man who is clearly and acutely mentally ill, doing and saying self destructive and extremely offensive things and needs serious help rather than encouragement of any kind. He doesn't need fans, he needs intervention.

She owns 13 management but she does have a series of managers working for her. Do you really think she spearheads and organises everything herself? 🤣