Page 12 | AIBU to say Taylor Swift is a once in a generation songwriter?

HomeatRoseCottage · 2023-10-27T18:33:46+00:00

I’ve had 1989 TV on all day and she’s just magic 🥰

DeeCee77 · 27/10/2023 23:25

Tiredalwaystired · 27/10/2023 23:15

I would say you’ll only be able to tell if she is of the calibre you’re talking about if future generations appreciate her as you do.

My teenage daughter is all about Bowie, Queen and ABBA. All acts thoroughly deserving of their status in music. She actually says that more recent music is very bland and she much prefers the seventies and eighties.

You've raised her well if you dont mind me saying so.

Legends all of then.

Benny and Bjorn, now that's generational songwriting.

tennesseewhiskey1 · 27/10/2023 23:24

Christ - why all the angst about it OP? I said she was good. The ONLY people I know going to Taylor Swift concerts ARE parents bringing their 9-16 year olds. That’s MY experience of it. I did not collect ages of everyone going - sorry! The songs that I know are about guys or an EX - nothing wrong with that - I like them! Why is it that TS fans can’t accept that the world doesn’t revolve around just her?! I LIKE TS- I thinks she’s good. Has some good songs. I just won’t pay over £1k to see her that’s all.

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HomeatRoseCottage · 27/10/2023 23:23

DeeCee77 · 27/10/2023 23:19

Good question. Ratings look decent

https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/10/the-ups-and-downs-of-rajar-for-q3-2023/

No Swift in that best-selling albums list I hope you noticed. Her impact is hard to quantify.

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Is that list just album sales? If so need to factor in that nobody buys albums any more, and you would have to consider streaming figures too. Folklore for instance has over 5 billion streams on Spotify (though I don’t know how you might go about translating streams into equivalent album sales)

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Nanny0gg · 27/10/2023 23:22

HomeatRoseCottage · 27/10/2023 22:57

why do people think this means she isn’t the talent behind them? She writes almost all the lyrics and melodies. She has co-writers who help develop those lyrics and melodies into fully formed songs. Just like Adele co-wrote Hello, Ed Sheeran co-wrote Shivers, Alanis Morisette co-wrote shivers, Christine McVie co-wrote Little Lies, and Eric Clapton co-wrote Tears in Heaven. It doesn’t compromise the skill and integrity of the artist to bring other talent in to the process of producing the song.

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But there is never any credit

It's always how wonderful and talented she is, and maybe that's so. But she's not doing it all on her own which is the implication.

AngeloMysterioso · 27/10/2023 23:22

Shes a pleasant white girl who co-writes cheesy pop songs for teen girls.

Oh my GOD

Ronan - about a 3 year old boy dying of neuroblastoma
Marjorie - about her Grandmother passing away
Soon You'll Get Better - about her mother's cancer
Bigger Than The Whole Sky - about miscarriage
The Man - about sexism, misogyny and patriarchy

idontknowhowigotoverit · 27/10/2023 23:22

HomeatRoseCottage · 27/10/2023 23:20

I don’t think a single circumstance in the whole song is actually ironic. Maybe that’s the point and it’s all very meta 😂

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😂I don't think there was such a thing as meta in the 90s

Ed Byrne slates Alanis Morissette

The now infamous slating of Alanis Morissette's 'Ironic' by Irish comedian Ed Byrne perfomed on The Standup Show some years back...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg

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HomeatRoseCottage · 27/10/2023 23:20

idontknowhowigotoverit · 27/10/2023 23:15

I quite like Alanis Morisette as a singer and a person but calling 10 thousand spoons when all you need is a knife ironic is shit songwriting.

Wasn't there a whole comedian sketch (Ed byrne, I think) about how most of the events in that song were unfortunate not ironci?

I don’t think a single circumstance in the whole song is actually ironic. Maybe that’s the point and it’s all very meta 😂

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MeinKraft · 27/10/2023 23:19

Adele undoubtedly has a better voice, but she's also a pain in the arse.

DeeCee77 · 27/10/2023 23:19

EmmaEmerald · 27/10/2023 22:59

I'd be interested to see a list from this year. Seven years ago is a long time in music.

is radio much of a thing now?

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Good question. Ratings look decent

https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/10/the-ups-and-downs-of-rajar-for-q3-2023/

No Swift in that best-selling albums list I hope you noticed. Her impact is hard to quantify.

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HomeatRoseCottage · 27/10/2023 23:19

tennesseewhiskey1 · 27/10/2023 23:16

I mean - she’s good. Looks great. Her lyrics tell a story that would appeal to younger kids - which is her demographic really. I like her - is she standout? Probably for now, but if we’re talking about now- I prefer Ed Sheeren or Lewis. Adele has an amazing voice - way way way better. And I mean - you always know what Taylor is going around write about - some guy or an ex. I would not pay £1200 to see her. I mean - there have been so many better songwriters and songs that will be remembered more than any of hers. She got some decent catchy tunes tho - I really like August.

I’ve said it twenty times on the thread already but it bears repeating - as a matter of objective fact her demographic is not younger kids, it’s predominantly women aged 25 to 45 (and it’s sexist to persist in claiming otherwise), and her songs are not remotely all about some guy or an ex (more misogyny…)

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therealcookiemonster · 27/10/2023 23:18

@EmmaEmerald or I am a grumpy old hag? which I am btw, very happily lol.

idontknowhowigotoverit · 27/10/2023 23:16

"it's like ra (ayaaaa)ain on your wedding day"

Basically not ideal.

Not remotely ironic.

Don't remember being blown away by the observation as a sixth former, sorry.

tennesseewhiskey1 · 27/10/2023 23:16

I mean - she’s good. Looks great. Her lyrics tell a story that would appeal to younger kids - which is her demographic really. I like her - is she standout? Probably for now, but if we’re talking about now- I prefer Ed Sheeren or Lewis. Adele has an amazing voice - way way way better. And I mean - you always know what Taylor is going around write about - some guy or an ex. I would not pay £1200 to see her. I mean - there have been so many better songwriters and songs that will be remembered more than any of hers. She got some decent catchy tunes tho - I really like August.

idontknowhowigotoverit · 27/10/2023 23:15

I quite like Alanis Morisette as a singer and a person but calling 10 thousand spoons when all you need is a knife ironic is shit songwriting.

Wasn't there a whole comedian sketch (Ed byrne, I think) about how most of the events in that song were unfortunate not ironci?

Tiredalwaystired · 27/10/2023 23:15

I would say you’ll only be able to tell if she is of the calibre you’re talking about if future generations appreciate her as you do.

My teenage daughter is all about Bowie, Queen and ABBA. All acts thoroughly deserving of their status in music. She actually says that more recent music is very bland and she much prefers the seventies and eighties.

ElleCapitaine · 27/10/2023 23:14

She rocks. I’m not even a fan. She has catchy tunes, but she kicks butt, she doesn’t take any shit, a fantastic business woman, and she’s a brilliant role model for young women. She demands equality, and she gets it.

EmmaEmerald · 27/10/2023 23:12

MeinKraft "I think there's a good chance she'll go back to her more folksy roots and start producing music that's a bit more soulful in the future."

that's how I see Folklore and Evermore.

Panaa · 27/10/2023 23:10

Dotcheck · 27/10/2023 22:50

Er….

How convenient that you can just choose to decide he isnt

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It wasn't conveniently choosing.

I applied critical thinking. I actually read a lot about it and considered it from a lot of angles.

Tiredalwaystired · 27/10/2023 23:10

Nope. Not even close.

Nice enough tunes, but not that many standouts.

The only reason she will be remembered in a decade is there isn’t anyone really competing in that space - music is more about a song than a singer these days, and the artist is increasingly ephemeral.

MeinKraft · 27/10/2023 23:09

therealcookiemonster · 27/10/2023 22:43

@23Oct her voice is literally like nails down the blackboard for me. don't want to torture myself. and I shouldn't have to research a song to feel the complexity. truly developed music touches your soul without explanation... just like one laughs at a good joke without explanation.

I agree with this, there are once in a generation songwriters and once in a generation songs that touch you in your soul. Like The Chain, or I Want to Break Free or Brothers in Arms (showing my age now) I don't know if TS is quite there yet although clearly others feel differently but she's still young. I think there's a good chance she'll go back to her more folksy roots and start producing music that's a bit more soulful in the future. Ed Sheeran is quite good at producing that one song but he goes, quite cynically I think, after a market for each song- the wedding first dance song (thinking out loud or perfect) for example.

AllegroConMoto · 27/10/2023 23:09

DeeCee77 · 27/10/2023 23:02

Harry Styles the Cheshire baker, plucked out by Simon Cowell (a chief culprit in destroying authentic pop music) to go into his boy"band", won a Grammy (a few of them).

Freddie Mecury won goose egg, nada, zilch, when it comes to Grammys.

They've always been worthless, now it's just clownish.

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I just had a look at the list of the Grammy best album winners. There are definitely a lot of… unusual… decisions in hindsight!

FiddleLeaf · 27/10/2023 23:08

YANBU - I think she’s such a brilliant storyteller & a marketing genius.

EmmaEmerald · 27/10/2023 23:08

therealcookiemonster · 27/10/2023 23:01

@EmmaEmerald I just do? I find a lot of things idiotic, as other people do as well I am sure? I'm pretty sure, you might find some of the music I listen to pretty crap and maybe idiotic? just the way it is...

I see it as a strong word, sounds like you don't. Oh well.

StillWantingADog · 27/10/2023 23:08

I think she’s likeable and talented but not exceptionally so.
In fifty years her recent songs will be broadly forgotten.
that said she may still be banging our new songs in fifty years at this rate

HappiestSleeping · 27/10/2023 23:05

AlisonDonut · 27/10/2023 19:49

I've not heard one song of hers.

You're not missing anything. They all sound the same. Each to their own though.