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englishexpat · 23/10/2023 14:59

Although this may come across poorly, this is an issue I don't feel I can discuss with friends 'in real life'. I would be grateful for your advice. My sister-in-law suggested posting here anonymously.

I am a man in my early 50s, with 4 children {with my ex-DW}.
We divorced a few years ago, and I am fortunate to be in a relationship with my new partner.

I live with my partner and my youngest daughter, who is a pre-teen. Although the transition was challenging, I feel we are all fairly settled.

The issue is {and please don't take this as a joke} that my partner & I keep finding ourselves on the receiving end of 'banter' along the lines of her being a gold digger, and / or jokes with a sexist undertone implying I am just involved with her for her appearance.

For context, she is 13 years younger than me, (and my ex-wife), but also perhaps looks younger - people assume she is early rather than late 30s. She is beautiful, but this is obviously not the sole reason I am interested in her!

I earn a decent salary, nothing mad - but it is clear I am well-off because of my family background.

When these comments are made, I either try to diffuse with humour or, if it's really on the nose, to speak against it.

However I am well aware this kind of response may come across as even more heavy-handed.

It causes some tension in our relationship as well. My partner is successful in her career, but it is not a lucrative line of work. I want to look after and support her & am happy simply to share my good fortune. But she feels uncertain about this.

Two of my daughters have also implied my new partner is in it for the money, to put it bluntly.

Apologies for the long post. I am aware this may come across as ridiculous.

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All2Well · 23/10/2023 21:18

13 years younger is really not "much younger". If OP is say 52, his partner is 39.

As someone in my mid/late 30's, I do see it as much older. My colleagues are almost exclusively men in their 50s, we're not peers and have next to nothing in common and very different lifestyles despite us all being lecturers with a shared passion for our subject. I couldn't bear the thought of sleeping with any of them as I don't generally find men over a decade older physically appealing and would expect, if I did engage in a relationship with one of them, to be accused of trying to sleep my way up the career ladder.

I'd also consider a 39 year old of either sex much older than a 26 year old...don't think that's a controversial statement. Both adults, sure, but not peers.

I think that's what the daughters are uncomfortable about, especially if as OP suggests, she resembles a 30 year old. They see her as more of a peer and find it awkward to know their Dad is in a relationship with her.

20notices · 23/10/2023 21:07

All2Well · 23/10/2023 15:26

I think it's because people perceive a power imbalance and it's their way of expressing their distaste.

It's always going to come up, it's just the way people are...an older wealthy man with four kids and a much younger more physically attractive than him woman...people will always read into that as there is often an element of truth to the stereotype.

You'll either need to develop a thick skin and laugh off the banter, distance yourself from people or only have relationships with women your own age who have careers equal to yours.

13 years younger is really not "much younger". If OP is say 52, his partner is 39.

englishexpat · 23/10/2023 20:59

TheGander · 23/10/2023 20:19

Maybe it’ s also a dealing with french attitudes thing. I had french grandparents and like many teenagers stopped wanting to hang out with them and going over there every year. I started again in my late 20s after my mum sadly died very suddenly, in the intervening years I had lost confidence in my french and in managing situations culturally and felt very under scrutiny. It only stopped after an expat told me to stop caring ( yes it was that simple). I go there several times a year now and rarely second guess myself or feel self conscious . Maybe deciding to be thick skinned and not care might help? I realise it sounds simplistic but hope it helps!

Yes. My partner is confident & successful generally, but she I can see her wilt in the face of Parisian directness, impatience, etc. Which is something my ex-wife and daughters have in abundance!

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englishexpat · 23/10/2023 20:57

Cloudburstings · 23/10/2023 19:03

@englishexpat

although your daughter are being rude, I think you need to reflect and explore with them what’s driving that. For example:

  • it’s a clear signal the family unit they grew up in is over
  • their mum is finding it hard (what’s her relationship status? You said she had an affair? If she’s single now I can see why she may not be the politest about your partner when you’re not around
  • its a massive change in their relationship with you. Coming to stay with just you is comfortable and familiar, coming to stay with you and new partner is very different requires effort
  • Her younger age may make her seem more ‘like them’ bs the generational gap with you and their mum
  • and / or requires your children to accept that you have a sex life (which even young adults may find uncomfortable)
  • any chance you may have children with your new partner? They may be worried about that (consciously or unconsciously) if she’s late 30s they’ll know it’s a possibility which it wouldn’t be with a new partner closer to you in age
  • inheritance. I don’t think it’s grabby for them to wonder about this. If they see you setting up home and if you talk to them about combining finances then of course they will. Talk to them. Talk to your partner. Figure out how you will protect their interests even if you remarry and or have more children. Make a will that sets that out. Show it to them. I have friends with step parents where this hasn’t happened and the worry and resentment never goes away.

Thank you, this is really helpful. My other principal concern is this: speaking to my daughters.
I agree she appears more 'like them'. She is not an adult authority figure. I think it is a big change for them. And harder perhaps than for my son, who is a different gender (obviously) to her, or my youngest, who sees her as another caring parental figure.
And yes, I would probably feel instinctively odd about my parent dating, if I were in their position.
I think my ex-wife has found the divorce harder than I have, in some ways, which I would never have expected.
There is no chance of children - we've talked about this. It was an issue in the beginning.

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YouJustDoYou · 23/10/2023 20:54

Of the five couples I've known who have had the same age difference (and I've known them for over 20 years, so, man is now in his 80s, woman partner in her 60s), it had not ever, ever ended well.

It seems like a "gold digger" cliche....but it's a cliche for a reason.

englishexpat · 23/10/2023 20:49

EmmaEmerald · 23/10/2023 19:35

You have my sympathies
I spent the summer dating a man half my age - after years of happy singledom. I was astonished to meet anyone I wanted to date.

I broke it off because the boyfriend thing isn't for me, but we are still friends and it was a lovely experience (albeit a tough one due to my personal circumstances).

I took less flack than he did, but ironically, while his family were pissed off, his dad has since said to me "I know I wasn't supportive at the start but I started to see he's never been happier than when he was with you".

I think if it had carried on, we'd have just told people to fuck off with their judgements.

13 years is nothing, btw. Mum's got two couple friends with a 20+ or near 30 year gap.

Thank you. It's useful to hear about your experience. It is odd meeting your partner's parents when they're not even hugely older than you.

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englishexpat · 23/10/2023 20:47

UggyPow · 23/10/2023 19:51

I have had it from both directions.
I have had friends of my partner say to him you need to be careful she is alot younger than you......
We also had someone say to him you'll be well in with her she's pocketed since her husband died.......
These are just some examples - I just smile now, as in reality they have no idea & it is none of their business. As long as you & your partner are happy with the arrangements that is all that matters.
I would just make sure you both have wills, know each others wishes & talk things through regularly to iron out any niggles.

People can be extremely rude!

OP posts:
englishexpat · 23/10/2023 20:45

Gosh, thanks so much for your very thoughtful replies. I did not expect to receive so much support.

A few things: Although we are divorced, and I wouldn't want to be married again, I don't particularly blame my ex-wife: we were happy for many years, and do still see each other & are friendly and civil. (mostly).

I don't feel that my daughters are being 'grabby' excessively - my money is their money - it's money I've inherited from my parents and have set up a trust etc. to facilitate this; but I should clarify this.

@Baconisdelicious I agree- I think it would be devastating to be left out of a will.

@HamBone : 'You may have to accept that being civil to each other is as far as it’ll ever go.'. Possibly - 2 out of my 4 get on very well with her, and the girlfriend of our eldest, and that's pretty good overall.

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TheGander · 23/10/2023 20:19

Maybe it’ s also a dealing with french attitudes thing. I had french grandparents and like many teenagers stopped wanting to hang out with them and going over there every year. I started again in my late 20s after my mum sadly died very suddenly, in the intervening years I had lost confidence in my french and in managing situations culturally and felt very under scrutiny. It only stopped after an expat told me to stop caring ( yes it was that simple). I go there several times a year now and rarely second guess myself or feel self conscious . Maybe deciding to be thick skinned and not care might help? I realise it sounds simplistic but hope it helps!

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 23/10/2023 20:17

So you daughters this she's a gold digger, why would they even care if she was after your money unless they think they deserve it more?!

Fannyfiggs · 23/10/2023 20:02

Tell them to keep their mouths shut or elle va te frapper avec sa pell!!

I hope that means what I think it means 🤣

Sconehenge · 23/10/2023 19:56

If I were you and I wanted to soothe my daughters’ probably justified perception, I would go out of my way to ensure they and my partner knew that their inheritance was secured. Perhaps by setting up a trust with a solid amount of my assets and the children as my beneficiaries. You say you earn a “good salary” but reference family money as well. Let’s all be practical and admit that most mid 30 year old women only date 50 year old men if they are wealthy. By being up front that you’re protecting your children’s inheritance you’ll soothe their fears and you can all move forward as a family. Letting it be a question mark whether you might leave everything including any inheritance from your own parents to this new partner who will be more likely to outlive you, is probably causing a lot of stress with your children and a sense that you’ve abandoned them. Your partner being cool with a fair split (eg she gets the same portion as each child, 1/5) will also probably go a long way to making them less likely to see her as a gold digger.

And I say this as someone who was 13 years the junior of my incredibly rich ex husband - so I’m not judging the set up at all and frankly see “youth” as just as valuable as monetary wealth and can definitely see lots of positives to seeking stability and experience as long as there are no underlying issues with power imbalance and everyone is emotionally mature.

BHRK · 23/10/2023 19:55

I would reply that it is insulting and unkind and let people know how you feel

UggyPow · 23/10/2023 19:51

I have had it from both directions.
I have had friends of my partner say to him you need to be careful she is alot younger than you......
We also had someone say to him you'll be well in with her she's pocketed since her husband died.......
These are just some examples - I just smile now, as in reality they have no idea & it is none of their business. As long as you & your partner are happy with the arrangements that is all that matters.
I would just make sure you both have wills, know each others wishes & talk things through regularly to iron out any niggles.

givemeasunnyday · 23/10/2023 19:51

Unfortunately there are a lot of mean spirited people who are unhappy or discontent in their own lives, so they take that out on people who they perceive are happy. Ignore them, they really aren't worth a second of your thoughts.

I would be having a word with your daughters however - I rather think that they might be considering your relationship in terms of their own potential financial gains.

SirVixofVixHall · 23/10/2023 19:50

So you are 51/52 ? Hardly aged ! I would reply that it is really insulting and unkind towards you, to assume that a woman is only with you because you are comfortable financially. You sound kind and thoughtful for instance, it doesn’t sound as though cold hard cash is your only attribute !
So ignore the fact that it is also an offensive thing to say to your partner, leave her out of it, and address the fact that it is a pretty offensive thing to say to you !
13 years isn’t a huge gap at all.

Smileme · 23/10/2023 19:36

I am 13 years younger than my bf and get these comments from people which really annoy me but I’m learning to accept that as long as we know the truth, it doesn’t matter what others think x

EmmaEmerald · 23/10/2023 19:35

You have my sympathies
I spent the summer dating a man half my age - after years of happy singledom. I was astonished to meet anyone I wanted to date.

I broke it off because the boyfriend thing isn't for me, but we are still friends and it was a lovely experience (albeit a tough one due to my personal circumstances).

I took less flack than he did, but ironically, while his family were pissed off, his dad has since said to me "I know I wasn't supportive at the start but I started to see he's never been happier than when he was with you".

I think if it had carried on, we'd have just told people to fuck off with their judgements.

13 years is nothing, btw. Mum's got two couple friends with a 20+ or near 30 year gap.

SleepingStandingUp · 23/10/2023 19:28

Tell them she's with you for your massive penis actually. That'll shut them up.

You need to talk to your daughters. Perhaps they are worried she'll get all their inheritance.

So you make time to still then then without your wife?

Londisc · 23/10/2023 19:24

Assuming the OP stays in France, his children's inheritance is protected whether he marries his partner or not.

OP, has your partner got friends of her own in Paris?

Dymaxion · 23/10/2023 19:23

Do you think you will have a child with your partner ? she is at an age when she might want a child and you haven't mentioned if she has any from previous relationships ?

Cloudburstings · 23/10/2023 19:15

@PaperwhiteTheGhost

yes, but it’s still worth having open conversations about what’s going on.

if a friend of mine got a new partner and I suddenly never saw them without the new person that would be a big change.

the parent / child dynamic is still at play and if they were totally fine with it they wouldn’t be giving off these signals.

sure, they might just be rude. But the OP himself says he’s not great at talking about things.

he can say he finds the comments hurtful or disrespectful to them AND then seek to explore where they are coming from.

the step situation I referred to the adult children are rude to their step mum. But she’s equally if not more horrible to them and their father has never addressed the questions around inheritance. He find it stressful but he needs to find the courage to address what’s driving it.

Ramalangadingdong · 23/10/2023 19:10

You could just say “I don’t care”.

If I was an old man with a young partner that’s what I would say and I really wouldn’t care if she was with me for the money or not as long as she was loving and kind. Your money might well have been part of your appeal for her because it might give you a certain confidence or lifestyle. If it is ok for people to be drawn to each other for looks I see no reason why they shouldn’t initially be drawn together because of money. For some people it can make someone attractive but is only one of other attributes they look for. By the way, you mention her looks. Has anyone said you are only with her for her youth and beauty?

if your friends and family detect however that she is planning to get as much from
you as she can, have a child and then break up with you for example then that’s another story.

An anecdote: a friend of mine thought of himself as unattractive and found that women weren’t attracted to him. When he got older and had a bit of clout behind him he was pursued by a very young woman in his firm who I think perceived that he would be able to give her the lifestyle, stability and family she craved - unlike younger men who kept letting her down. They now have 3 kids; my friend who was basically an incel (without all the misogyny many of them
get into) is ludicrously happy as is the young woman who is also a content sahm. Each to their own.

PaperwhiteTheGhost · 23/10/2023 19:08

Cloudburstings · 23/10/2023 19:03

@englishexpat

although your daughter are being rude, I think you need to reflect and explore with them what’s driving that. For example:

  • it’s a clear signal the family unit they grew up in is over
  • their mum is finding it hard (what’s her relationship status? You said she had an affair? If she’s single now I can see why she may not be the politest about your partner when you’re not around
  • its a massive change in their relationship with you. Coming to stay with just you is comfortable and familiar, coming to stay with you and new partner is very different requires effort
  • Her younger age may make her seem more ‘like them’ bs the generational gap with you and their mum
  • and / or requires your children to accept that you have a sex life (which even young adults may find uncomfortable)
  • any chance you may have children with your new partner? They may be worried about that (consciously or unconsciously) if she’s late 30s they’ll know it’s a possibility which it wouldn’t be with a new partner closer to you in age
  • inheritance. I don’t think it’s grabby for them to wonder about this. If they see you setting up home and if you talk to them about combining finances then of course they will. Talk to them. Talk to your partner. Figure out how you will protect their interests even if you remarry and or have more children. Make a will that sets that out. Show it to them. I have friends with step parents where this hasn’t happened and the worry and resentment never goes away.

They are adults, not 10 year olds. They are old enough to understand that relationships end and people move on.

WednesdaysChild50 · 23/10/2023 19:07

I voted YABU in the context of you are being unreasonable to worry about it, ignore and be happy