wonder what has happened to couple who freebirthed in Carribean?

Yes, I only know of this knobhead from these threads, but I remember all the incidents you mentioned being referred to in the original thread.

Did you read the original post? I think you're crediting Clive with FAR too much intelligence to plan even a tenth of that. Didn't he previously get done for driving the wrong way down a dual carriageway or did I dream that? And wasn't he banned from a running club for something? I'm sure he was one of those 'Freemen of the land" types. He just came across as a very disorganised, oblivious, over confident feckless middle aged man with a much younger wife. I hope it worked out for them, but I'd definitely assume moron rather than cunning mastermind.

I think baby (toddler now) is theirs and reluctance to have dna test and engage with authorities re birth certificate is due to Clive’s ‘freeman of land’ beliefs. But I guess anything is possible.
I still can’t get my head around starting a go fund me which then drew press attention to them sailing around Caribbean in a luxury yacht (I thought drug not people smuggling but it was obviously being funded somehow) and leaving elder child behind in England then feeling aggrieved when authorities take action in criminal court or social services scrutiny.

How messed up is this ! I guess just because most people would want to be with their kids more than the bloke, doesn't mean all women would think the same. Look at the women that allow men to abuse their children... not all have morals.

I wonder if the baby is actually theirs too.

I think it may be in order to protect the children.

Depends if either agreed to a DNA test. Which they seemed to be refusing and I don't think you can force that.

Maybe if it's required as part of a criminal investigation it can be compelled?

So the 'wanting to give birth on a beach' story was all bollocks? People smuggling was what they were at all along? I suppose if the baby is theirs, she came early, when they were at sea, and the delay getting to the hospital was because they had to offload any migrants they were carrying first.

Thank goodness they weren't able to take the older girl with them, whatever the reason.

Better than EastEnders! I wonder what will happen next?

I think the thing I find mad is he sailed a boat of that size across the Atlantic. And back again. Without killing himself in the process.

‘Ethiopians is as bizarre as the rest of the story. How do two Ethiopians end up being trafficked in the Caribbean?’

We tend to think of people smuggling or illegal migration as boats in the Mediterranean or the Channel, but it is a worldwide business ( well, probably not China or North Korea), as these two blokes’ stories demonstrate. I read somewhere that a lot of the people coming over the southern border into the US are not from South American countries, but African and Pakistani / Bangladeshi. The Caribbean is a recognised stopping off or transfer point .

Depends if either agreed to a DNA test. Which they seemed to be refusing and I don't think you can force that. So he'd be putting his principles over the child. Unsurprisingly.

I find it hard to believe that the second daughter hasn't been trafficked at this point.

I suppose by now the Cayman authorities will have established whether she is their biological child.

I find it hard to believe that the second daughter hasn't been trafficked at this point.

He's a one man cult and she has Stockholm syndrome, probably.

Blimey!

It's the story that keeps on giving!

Poor men on the yaught and that couple's poor kids

I just don’t understand how any woman could find Clive attractive? I don’t mean physically but attractive as husband/father material. I mean surely, you’d just want to be with your kids, and when you realise it’s all gone pear shaped and you are pretty permanently separated from your child in the UK, surely then you go ‘pack it in Clive, and if you don’t, I’m out of here in a millisecond so I can get back to my daughter in the UK and will happily provide my DNA so I can take my new baby back (if indeed it was actually her baby???)’. How on earth does Iuliia find Clive so attractive as a man that she is prepared to give up her child/children for him? What am I missing?

I suspect it's just because they refused to give their names so they aren't on record.

the two, who cannot be identified for legal reasons:....

Does that mean there are more charges pending, I wonder?

But really, on the evidence of this and the previous thread, he who can't be identified for legal reasons appears to be both inept and unpleasant.

Hernandez asked the man, 52, and his wife, 39, who appeared by video link from George Town’s Summary Court cells after they were removed from the courtroom for disruptive behaviour, if they wanted to give evidence in their defence.
The pair earlier denied the legitimacy of the court and insisted they did not recognise its authority. They did not enter plea.

Wow. They are the gift that keeps on giving, aren't they ?
Good spot @taxnotme

On a more serious note, I hope their poor children have someone with more than an ounce of parenting ability looking after them.

It must be a massive headache for officials. I’d guess baby is still no birth cert or passport (as she was born at sea and last update on that was the Caribbean country they had sailed to wanted a dna test and they had refused and sailed off) they can’t just repatriate baby to England to be looked after by family or foster care here.

I think the circumstances of the older daughter are probably best left private (some posts on this or earlier threads hint at a likely scenario)

Refusing to acknowledge a court's authority in straight from the Freeman Of The Land playbook, and never gets anyone the result they were after.

Thanks for sharing @taxnotme. I can’t believe it’s not been picked up by mainstream media.
It sounds like he’s been making a living people smuggling.
Where is baby if they are in cells? Assume in an orphanage there.. and oldest daughter back in Tameside.

Can they sentence people who refuse to give their names even though the court knows full well who they are? It's fascinating in a fucked up way, but I hope someone appropriate is looking after the baby. And the kid in the UK. They are not to blame for the utter batshittery of the parents. If indeed they are the parents. If they trafficked the men, and by not taking them to where they'd agreed and paid for, it could be said that they did, they could well have trafficked the baby.