wonder what has happened to couple who freebirthed in Carribean?

Do you have any proof to back that up?

Child has been taken into care, parents are conspiracy theorists

Anyone found them online?

On the previous thread on this at the time, IIRC, there was a poster who knew them/knew of them through the older daughter who'd been left at home.

She's the one I felt for in the whole sorry mess.

It is odd how quiet it's gone given they were seeking funding!

But it definitely didn't add up.

Also as a woman who has given birth i can’t for a second get wound up about use of language that SOMEONE ELSE uses to refer to THEMSELVES. No one is asking you to be referred to as a birthing parent, just to accept for some women, they prefer it. I personally HATE when medical professionals and health visitors call me ‘mum’ in relation to my child and don’t ask my name, but I recognise if it matters to me I can ask them to change their language if I want to just like everyone else can.

No because its all natural and if you are at one with nature nothing bad will happen. Or something.

In the real would nature is full of infections and illnesses and horrible painful deaths. But for some reason some people think nature is always better than cleanliness and medicine.

(Disclaimer before anyone starts saying that medicine can get things wrong. I am aware of this. I do know bad things can occasionally happen in medicine and with medical interventions etc as well)

All these people giving birth in the sea…are they not afraid of getting a nasty endometritis from V. Vulnificus?! Or another nasty bacterial pathogen found in the sea?

Doctor: Which one of you is the mother?
Your friends: We both are.
Doctor: sorry, which one is the birth mother?
Friend: I am the birth mother.

Simple. Birth 'parent' sounds as though dads can give birth too when they can't. As a woman who has given birth, I hate the term birthing person.

Usually, a medical professional when meeting them all together asks the question ‘who’s mum?’ Not wanting to assume they're a couple, and they’ll reply ‘we both are but I’m the birthing parent’ - no offence caused to anyone, simple language that communicates exactly what’s needed nice an efficiently. ‘Im the birth mother’ wouldn’t tell the medical professional that they both parent the child and both have PR, it could be a surrogacy situation, adoption, foster carer and birth mother etc etc. For them, this language works well and so because they prefer it, I and any normal person they meet and introduce themselves to uses it without comment.

In their case is isn’t even remotely obvious which one of them gave birth, seeing as they are both mothers and therefore their body language, reactions to the child etc are all the same. I imagine in your case, it would be very obvious because one of the people in your scenario is not the child’s parent.

In fact if you had to guess by looking at them, you’d guess the none birthing parent is biologically related to their little girl because they look so alike, it’s really strange.

Yeah but surely the mum who didn’t give birth would just say “I didn’t give birth.” That would sort any confusion. Then the other mum could say “I gave birth.”

Wondering what morons gave these selfish morons £128. Very glad they didn’t get more than this though.

They personally prefer birthing parent because they feel ‘birth mother’ gives one of them a different status as a ‘mother’ vs the other. They find ‘parent’ to be a less loaded term for them that they’re happier to use to distinguish between them as they consider themselves bother to be equal ‘mothers’. Either does the job though, and neither would be offended if you referred to one as a ‘birth mother’, it’s just a preference they have much like I imagine other people prefer ‘mum’ or ‘birth mum’. As long as the language clearly communicates which one of a couple gave birth then it serves its purpose: ironically unlike the word ‘mother’ which doesn’t communicate who gave birth clearly at all.

They could have saved time by just asking if you were the birth mum.

They personally prefer ‘birthing parent’ because they feel it gives neither of them a preferential status - they see ‘birth mother’ as classifying one of them as ‘real mum’ and one of them not, which isn’t how they want to establish their parenting. It’s their choice obviously and the fact medical professionals were already primed to use this language (where needed) was great for them. I don’t think there is a ‘correct’ term and shouldn’t be - as long as the language you’re comfortable with clearly communicates who has given birth clearly and without any room for interpretation, then it’s appropriate. In fact, from a medical perspective ‘birthing parent’ or ‘birthing person’ is far more descriptive and helpful than ‘mother’, because as you’ve rightly pointed out there are many ways to become what society calls a ‘mother’ without having given birth. Making terminology like this more widely acceptable frees up the word ‘mother’ for all those mothers who become such without giving birth which I think is a wonderful thing for inclusivity for women.

I remember when my little boy was severely jaundiced at 6 days old I was asked ‘are you mum?’, I said ‘yes’ and they then followed up with ‘and you’re the one who gave birth yeah?’. It took seconds to establish the facts required, completely routine and has nothing to do with the trans debate at all. I didn’t even clock the question at the time it was so innocuous. Then, a few hours later when the registrar was introducing me to a consultant he said ‘this is mum she’s the parent who gave birth’ and again, absolutely zero reason to be upset by that, he was just establishing a fact. I’m a straight woman by the way.

If this hadn’t become conflated with the trans debate, no one would care.

The correct term is birth mother or biological mother, not birthing 'person.' If an egg donor is used then the woman giving birth is a birth mother, not biological mother (how confusing!). The birth mum's female partner will be a mum through marriage. Or maybe she has to adopt - I'm not sure how it works.

It's like when a heterosexual couple use a sperm donor. He won't be the biological father, but he'll be a father by marriage.

Whilst sitting in the obstetrics waiting room at hospital a many years ago, a woman was sitting in the row behind me dumbfounded as someone was explaining to her, clearly for the second or third time, that she was 35 weeks pregnant and needed to tell her employer. She didn't look particularly pregnant, whereas I had a belly before conception!

Why use “birthing parent” under these circumstances rather than “birthing mother”?

Probably because one was the mother and one was the aunt. Obviously.

where there are two female parents it is different - there are two mothers.

People who think they are at one with nature in 'Not understanding nature' shock!

She “went into a forest to give birth in shade and privacy”. Dear God. The poor baby.

I’m pretty sure that medical professionals are able to work out which of the two women present has come for a scan, or an examination, or is in labour. When my DD went to appointments with her DSis, not one person got confused over who was the actual mother.

i think the baby was theirs; they were just total idiots. I suspect the story died as it was all sorted and they came home but family court has ensured it can’t be reported on.

I think that there is little in this for journalists now. It would a lot of work for a very short story.

I think from her Instagram she has done it again recently so two sea births. There was a recent post of her with a newborn in the sea in the dark.