wonder what has happened to couple who freebirthed in Carribean?

I think the timeline was Elizabeth then age 8 had been left in March with Auntie (yulias sister) After they went to press with sob story / go fund me I think social services did a welfare check as at that point the child had been abandoned by both parents for several months. Clive came back as social services were now involved but then headed back to Yulia/baby and boat/people smuggling enterprise.

Because he's a thread to the corrupt system? Like "they" were afraid of him somehow? High opinion of himself there.

From his Facebook page Sept ‘23

”Our 8 year old girl was kidnapped from me her dad on the 16th September 2023 because I am a threat to the corrupt system, I was threatened long before and refused to sell my soul to the dark side. Now they have our girl somewhere in the system, no social workers or police have ever been part of elizabeth s life. Never any domestic violence in the 8 years of elizabeth life. No proof of neglect no witness statements no genuine signed court warrants. Any questions please ask as I have lots of information to share to the non agents out there love to all brothers and sisters who have a heart and care for the future of our kids 💕”

This is the story that keeps on giving! But those poor kids :(

Does Clive genuinely think he's helping himself with this rambling misspelled bobbins? Going on this as a window into his thinking he doesn't seem in touch with reality enough that he is safe to look after himself, let alone child/ren.

It's interesting that Yulia is said to still be in the Caymans and Clive here, when he got the longer sentence, does that mean she's stayed because the baby is there and they won't consent for DNA testing on the baby, so the baby can't be taken out of the country as it has no passport? If she's there what funds is she living on?

The eldest is 11. She ran away when social services called to do a welfare check (been taught to fear/avoid authorities?) I’d assume she’s been fully indoctrinated by Clive. I doubt she would agree to a test.

Remember Constance marten who lost care of her newborn because she refused to take a Covid test on retuning to hospital? I can definitely believe they are dogmatic and narcissistic enough to refuse a DNA test even if she is their biological child.
As a social worker I've seen many parents lose contact with their children because they won't do some really simple and basic stuff.

They can test the sibling if she consents and they have a court order, and could determine at least if they are half or full siblings or not at all.

I thought Yulia might start cooperating once away from his influence or control.

baby whom is our private biological property created from my seed

That's enough for me to say the kid shouldn't be allowed anywhere near those arseholes ever.

Yes big age gap between children. They are both the parents of first daughter as there was a newspaper article of them both in crash with eldest daughter when Clive was convicted of dangerous driving.
The baby may or may not be theirs. They have been found to be involved in people smuggling so it’s not outside realms of possibility that the baby has been acquired illegally, perhaps child of a trafficked woman.
My hunch is baby is at least Yulias but who knows.
DNA test would sort it but I can understand why Clive isn’t up for that with his beliefs, giving a sample to a government agency is against everything he stands for.

@GenuineWorkOfFart Someone may correct me, but I thought she had the older child before she met him.

I mean... 8 years is a big old gap for a couple to deliberately leave between children. It makes me wonder if they had secondary infertility and then of course that makes me wonder if the baby is really theirs or not....

Surely, surely you'd just agree to a bloody DNA test in order to not lose custody of your toddler? Because if they really won't agree to a DNA test then either the baby isn't theirs, or they're so insanely wedded to their paranoid beliefs that they shouldn't ever be allowed care of a child again.

....these monsters demonic satanic bahl worshippers

Clive seems to have reached a whole new level of crazy.

When story initially broke they were complaining no passport for baby as born at sea in Caribbean and hadn’t gone to hospital for a week or two.

Reason for birth at sea and delay going to hospital probably being that they had illegals on board and had to offload them first.

Just re read initial article and the baby Louisa was born April 23, so she’s 3.

Their story was they wanted a free birth but no one knows if true.
It may have been a ruse to pass off a trafficked baby as their own.
A DNA test would resolve but it sounds like the couple haven’t agreed to this either for freeman of land reasons or because they know the baby isn’t biologically the child of one or both of them.
Yulia hasn’t seen her tween now teen daughter for several years.

Thanks for facebook update. That’s Clive!!
It sounds like he’s back in UK but Yulia and toddler still in Cayman.
The private biological property comments make me think they have still refused DNA test so still no birth certificate or passport for toddler. It sounds like there is some sort of court process ongoing re toddler to try and resolve the mess.

This is awful. I remember the free birth plan ans wondering why on earth a woman who had had a baby would do that.

Clive was British, wife Yulia wasn’t.
Unsure if baby ever had DNA test.
When story initially broke they were complaining no passport for baby as born at sea in Caribbean and hadn’t gone to hospital for a week or two. They sailed on and seemed to be resisting DNA testing - perhaps due to freeman of land beliefs but also risk baby wasn’t biologically their baby and was smuggled/trafficked.
Then a year or two later they randomly dock in Cayman Islands with baby now a toddler and two smuggled Ethiopians. They were both imprisoned.
Tween female child they had abandoned in had social services involved, Clive flew back to claim she had been ‘kidnapped’ by SS before Cayman arrest.
Toddler - unsure if in orphanage in Cayman Islands or somehow brought to uk. On a human level the distress to the toddler must have been awful, Yulia was crunchy yoga type so I’d guess toddler was co sleeping and possibly still breastfeeding. Sending her to uk to relatives never met would have been traumatic plus all the lack of paperwork side. Maybe she did stay in orphanage in Cayman so parents could have contact whilst in prison.

The parents have been released apparently. Who knows where the youngest child is.

Blimey. Just found him (as Christisn Mann) on the Family Law and Child Custody Facebook page:

“i am clive, (PLEASE PLEASE SHARE)
After exposing corruption in the legal fraud system along with calling out exposing judge's the social services fraudulent corrupt (police) policy officers corrupt agents/ trustees in the government and the new world order which is dependent on bond equity crimes, the cqv act 1666 the birth certificate fraud Our 11 year old was abducted by fraudulent special operations police in September 2023 without evidence of a crime against us and no tipstaff warrant and then then after policy (police) officer's attempting to gag us and my friends and family we then were under serveylance by Interpol which ive read and have in documents i have, in 2024 i my wife and baby were abducted in Cayman brac Cayman Islands corporation near the Caribbean when stopping for fuel, we were falsely accused and set up for immigration charges after a covering was put over my wife's head our baby girl aged 1 at the time snatched out of the hands of mum whilst breastfeeding and then we were incarcerated in prison in (Grand Cayman) Northward prison for men and Fairbanks prison for women, we didn't see our baby for one year after many letters to the attorney general, governor and more we started to see her once per month sometimes, 2 years later I was released and my wife still in Fairbanks Prison because she wouldn't sign admitting false accusations. CBC Cayman boarder patrol deported me back to the (UK) corporation without our baby and are running a fraudulent court administrative bond guild hearing trying to claim our baby whom is our private biological property created from my seed, (words the corrupt system do not want you knowing or using against them, especially the words trespass, which they have trespassed on us without evidence of a crime and are attempting to monetize
Our baby extorting us, as a (family) even though we are not slaves or servants of the crown corporation full stop, for and on the record, if there is anyone out there and i know there are many that have had their loved ones ( children) taken unlawfully please get in touch and stick together and let's expose them properly together in numbers, you are not alone so not have fear of these monsters demonic satanic bahl worshippers, they need the light shining on them and putting away for eternity, and more,
my number is 07783530389 WhatsApp or phone
aba bless to all brothers and sisters who are in the fight for justice not the legal fraud way“

There is a stateless child in the U.K. with relatives while its parents are in jail in the Caribbean? Good grief.

"Christian Mann" I believe

Could you give me the name he’s posting under please, I’ve been trying to follow this story as it’s so strange. Would like to read his “reality”, thanks.

Sorry, I just saw name when I clicked.