AIBU to believe FIL time slip experience?

The mice in teapots is equally factual. Just as it's factual that you can't prove a negative. I used the same logic on a different situation to show what else it could be used for. You call that "running with it", well, I call it demonstrating its absurdity.

Your "questions", like I said, are just you admitting in a roundabout and somewhat dishonest way that the statement was ridiculous because you would never actually stand by any of its logical conclusions. Basically, it's this:

"We don't know there isn't a Scouse time portal!"

"We don't know there aren't undetectable mice in teapots around Mars either."

"Well I never said there WAS a Scouse time portal! Did I? Huh? When did I say there was a Scouse time portal?? You can't answer my question, so that means I'm right about... something!"

Honestly, the bloody portal is making more sense by this point. There's no frigging portal.

It looked, to me, that nebulae was actually the one first making the point than you cannot prove a negative, which you repeated with your mice example. Everything seems to have gone of the rails since…

My statement that "we don't know..." is factual. We don't know. We don't think there is one. It doesn't make sense that there would be one. But we don't know.

You took that statement and ran with it. Decided I was asking someone to prove a negative. Decided I believe there is a time portal in Liverpool. And when I ask you to point out where I did either of those things you can't. So you go off on a tangent, wittering on about mice.

Your "questions" are just deflection to try to distance yourself from the logical conclusions of the daft statement you made.

You said we don't know that there isn't a Scouse time portal, which immediately calls up the concept of proving a negative. And, indeed, by that logic, we don't know that invisible, undetectable mice in teapots aren't circling Mars.

Your response to this is "well I didn't say there WAS a Liverpool time portal!" as if that's the issue.

Your "questions" are just you admitting that your statement was silly by refusing to stand by any of its logical conclusions about false negatives and mice in teapots. And why would you, when they're ridiculous?

Not going to answer my questions then @SurprisedWithAHorse? Thought not.

Have I shown everyone I'm superior? Cool. All I was trying to show was the ridiculousness of the statement "we don't know there isn't a time portal in Liverpool". Given the state of your responses, I seem to have managed it, so that's good. Can't believe you tried to invoke Galileo of all people to lend weight to it. That was unreal.

Have you actually read any of my posts before deciding to show everyone how superior you are?

Would you care to point out where I asked anyone to prove a negative?

Or where I stated whether I believe in a scouse time portal?

You're going to use Galileo as evidence for your belief in the need to prove a negative? What do you think he'd have to say about your thoughts on a Scouse time portal?

The fact that they "laughed at Galileo" isn't why he was a genius. He didn't know that the mice in teapots didn't have him in an immersive simulation his entire life.

Just disappeared down a Bold St rabbit hole thanks to this thread 👍🏻

No, they didn't really. Also, hardly anyone ever thought the world was flat.

This is so true. I have proved it to myself a few times that my 'memory' is wrong and had to accept it. Memories are not recordings of what happened - they are what we experienced diluted by the number of times we revisit them and influenced by any number of other factors including suggestion, time, media etc.

I remember being at a certain house with my parents but I wasn't born then - I'd seen a photo of an older sibling there, imagined what it was like and then ran with it for years until being put right. I accidentally convinced my own child he was the star of a particular film as a baby (he was scared and I daftly said it's just you as a tiny baby) and he can "remember" filming it.

Like a pp said - memories can be implanted, they can be removed and they can be altered. Just watch Derren Brown.

That is definitely not to say that there isn't 'something else', just that trusting your own memory, deja vu experiences or dreams (let alone someone else's) as the truth is not convincing so I understand why many don't come forward.

Having said that: MUM, YOU DEFINITELY SAID LOUISE COULD STAY OVER WHEN I WAS SIX...mum said she never committed to it when she then said no, but I REMEMBER.

My brain is a complete T**T and doesn't really represent the rest of me.

CesareBorgia - I’m glad it’s not just me! I still
cant work it out though it’s just bizarre

Oh you're so clever and witty! 🤨

I'll just point out that in Galileo's day most educated people knew that the earth was the centre of the universe.

The really spooky thing, I think, is how little we can trust our own brains

Of course they usually do us well enough to get by, but it's not surprising that such an enormously complex biological organ doesn't actually function anything like a man-made machine.

False memories are universal - we all have them. The sensible response to realising that something you remember actually couldn't be true is to understand that your brain has constructed a false memory. Most of our false memories are probably quite plausible and go undetected. It's only when something makes you think 'hang on, that can't be right' that you can catch one, as it were. There's nothing weird about it at all, it's very mundane.

I've got a similar thing with TV. I was searching for a series that I couldn't remember the name of, but I had a clear recollection of watching it - specifically, where I used to sit in my living room and having my laptop on the arm of my chair playing a pinball game while watching.

When I finally tracked it down, I discovered that memory was totally false as I'd been living somewhere different the year it was on. It couldn't have been a repeat I saw - the series was 'Space Cadets' and it was heavily covered live in the media on the 'will they/won't they twig' angle which I followed avidly.

No, we do know.

Have you ever heard of the Mandela effect?

It’s just a small thing but something that confuses me. I clearly remember watching ‘nigella bites’ in a flat I lived in until 1997, but it just wasn’t on then, it hadn’t been made. I remember making a couple of the things from the programme on the counter we had that was sort of between the kitchen and the living room. It’s not a big thing but it’s always confused me ever since I found out when it was made.

Yes, I agree that if people are genuinely having these experiences, then there must be an explanation other than actual time travel. I’d say hallucinations are by far and away the most likely explanation but there could be some other, currently unknown/unproven cause.

Yes, I believe people have odd experiences all the time. Also that they often misinterpret them, understandably: all sorts of factors can affect our perception of reality. A misperceived experience is still an experience.

I should know; I've taken mind-altering substances, been royally gaslighted and seen Derren Brown's shows 😁

The inflexible thinkers in this type of discussion aren't the cynics: they're the ones fervently clinging to their beliefs without further evidence and angrily dismissing the possibility of other explanations.

But nevermind. This is why I'm an atheist, and we all know how that one goes 🤷

We don't know that there aren't mice in teapots circling Mars with advanced technology that hides them from our view.

I think these are hallucinations, not time travel

@Graciebobcat I think that's one explanation or variant of this phenomenon, yes. But I believe others exist & they're as provable as anything to do with dreams currently is. (I've always wanted to have a machine which records dreams so they can be played back & viewed. I think it would be useful, entertaining & hilarious.)