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Is it offensive to say inshallah?

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Loulou599 · 08/10/2023 12:35

I think it's a really beautiful sound and is more wistful than saying touch wood or god willing, but would it be offensive (if you're not muslim)?

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GnusSitOnCanoes · 08/10/2023 18:32

This thread has made me smile. I live in the GCC and Insha’allah is commonly used by locals and (non-Muslim) expats alike, and the way it is said - tone and context - can mean completely different things. There is ‘insha’allah’ meaning ‘I’ll do my best’; there is the ‘insha’allah’ that means ‘it’s absolutely not going to happen, but I don’t want to be blunt and tell you,’ and there is a lightly passive-aggressive ‘Insha’allah’ if you’ve irritated the person you’re making the request to, among many more. As phrases go, it is the cornerstone of conversation, and I’ve had to learn to ‘hear’ the different undertones so as not to completely misunderstand what’s actually being said. 🙂

MankyMinge · 08/10/2023 18:28

Mvslimah · 08/10/2023 16:06

Are you Muslim or arab?

if not then no don’t say it.

you don’t even know what it means in the Op. as a Muslim it’s so annoying ‘our’ words getting used wrong all the time. Sharia law and jihad and hijab just being a few- they don’t get used right and have been twisted in the media. Don’t take anymore. You have plenty of other words to use

If it's really offensive for non Muslims to say it then I won't. I would rather not risk upsetting someone.

Mvslimah · 08/10/2023 18:26

Pollyputhekettleon · 08/10/2023 17:59

I'm not talking about what the leadership of any religion happens to currently say. Those people are a farce.

I know you believe it's the same god. What you don't seem to understand is that this little bit of 'misguidedness' is absolutely foundational to Christianity. And as for teetering into polytheism, yeah. I know what the punishment for polytheism is in Islam. Do you? Same god though, sure. Maybe he's had some minor communication problems.

forgetting Unitarian Christians there but ok.

there is no punishment for polytheism in Islam, so you can’t. There’s a punishment (debatable) but leaving Islam but not for being a Hindu

well the bible isn’t widely understood to be direct revelation, that’s something a basic theology degree would teach you, so the Islamic position is that people misunderstood the message. The bible was comprised hundreds of years after jesus’s death through much oral history, it’s not that much of a ridiculous position to have that some things could’ve got altered changed. We have a similar issue with hadith, which is why some narrations have been viewed to be weak or even if they are deemed reliable they can vary here and there

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 08/10/2023 18:17

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TheGander · 08/10/2023 18:01

I intend to continue using from time to time, it’s also part of my history, I grew up in a Muslim country and heard it all the time, it’s a connection to that for me. I’ve used it in front of other Muslims, usually with a smile, no one has ever told me they had an issue with it.

Pollyputhekettleon · 08/10/2023 17:59

Mvslimah · 08/10/2023 17:45

Well he’s the head of the Catholic Church, does the Church of England not have a similar position also?

so Muslims would just generally believe that in regards to the begotten son that Christians are just misguided there, and teeter into polytheism but the belief that it’s absolutely the same god

I'm not talking about what the leadership of any religion happens to currently say. Those people are a farce.

I know you believe it's the same god. What you don't seem to understand is that this little bit of 'misguidedness' is absolutely foundational to Christianity. And as for teetering into polytheism, yeah. I know what the punishment for polytheism is in Islam. Do you? Same god though, sure. Maybe he's had some minor communication problems.

Mvslimah · 08/10/2023 17:58

KateReddy · 08/10/2023 17:56

I love the mellifluous sound of the word and the sentiment behind it.
’God willing’ does not perform the same function.

It’s actually 3 words. God willing absolutely does perform the same function for an English speaking Christian.

but if you like the Arabic language (and it is cool, there’s a lot of richness you might appreciate) you could look at some classes

Mvslimah · 08/10/2023 17:56

smilesup · 08/10/2023 17:49

You realise English is a mishmash of many languages. If you use words like pyjamas, thug, tsunami, pro rata, de facto, ketchup, gun ho, ballet, and on and on

But this isn’t just like saying merci to be international, it’s from a religion and culture that gets a lot of flack in the west. If someone wants to use it, they need to ask themselves why?

it sounds cool? Well ok, if you like the sound of the Arabic language take some lessons, learn and turn you can speak it

you like putting God at the heart of every action? Great, then find some way to do that in your own faith or language

you feel connected to Islam? Then maybe attend a few masjids and study to see if it’s the right faith for you

otherwise it’s just hollow appropriation especially considering we have enough words to convey this specific meaning in the English language. God willing works as does hopefully

KateReddy · 08/10/2023 17:56

Mvslimah · 08/10/2023 17:46

Why do you love the sound of it? I’d interrogate that first before saying you’d sound pretentious

I love the mellifluous sound of the word and the sentiment behind it.
’God willing’ does not perform the same function.

Moonmelodies · 08/10/2023 17:54

Perhaps best not to use it in case it hurts god's feelings.

smilesup · 08/10/2023 17:49

Normalsizedsalad · 08/10/2023 12:56

Don't go around just dropping random words from other languages into your everyday conversation if you don't actually speak the language. It's weird.
Exactly! Imagine someone English with no ties randomly dropping like Slovakian or Hungarian words into sentences.

Btw not kosher is used and ha been used for centuries in many langauges where the country had strong jewish communities.

You realise English is a mishmash of many languages. If you use words like pyjamas, thug, tsunami, pro rata, de facto, ketchup, gun ho, ballet, and on and on

Mvslimah · 08/10/2023 17:46

KateReddy · 08/10/2023 17:42

I love the sound of it and may say it in my head but not out loud, as I’m a white, Christian, middle class woman, I’d sound like a pretentious twat.

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Why do you love the sound of it? I’d interrogate that first before saying you’d sound pretentious

ForfarBridie · 08/10/2023 17:46

Pinkchairs · 08/10/2023 16:49

My of my non related immediate family members is Arab. I’ve picked up various sayings.

I love Haywan rude word meaning animal. Mashallah, inshallah, Astaghfirullah. And habibi, hayati. Yarabbi.

fucking love them.

inshallah is basically mañana mañana.

Inshallah is nothing like the meaning of mañana mañana.

And to even use the expression Inshallah should never be taken lightly. And people can usually tell when it’s being said with any feeling or depth or if it’s being said as a throw away comment.

Mvslimah · 08/10/2023 17:45

Pollyputhekettleon · 08/10/2023 17:41

You mean the Pope who's making the joke 'Is the Pope a Catholic' not even funny anymore? No, the same word is irrelevant, that's just language. One God apparently finds the idea that he could have a son or be incarnate blasphemous. The other one had a son who not only became incarnate but died to save all of humanity. Awkward stuff. And that's barely the start of it.

Well he’s the head of the Catholic Church, does the Church of England not have a similar position also?

so Muslims would just generally believe that in regards to the begotten son that Christians are just misguided there, and teeter into polytheism but the belief that it’s absolutely the same god

KateReddy · 08/10/2023 17:42

I love the sound of it and may say it in my head but not out loud, as I’m a white, Christian, middle class woman, I’d sound like a pretentious twat.

Pollyputhekettleon · 08/10/2023 17:41

Mvslimah · 08/10/2023 17:32

Hasn’t the pope said it’s the same God? And surely the same name, which literally means the God denotes they are the same?

You mean the Pope who's making the joke 'Is the Pope a Catholic' not even funny anymore? No, the same word is irrelevant, that's just language. One God apparently finds the idea that he could have a son or be incarnate blasphemous. The other one had a son who not only became incarnate but died to save all of humanity. Awkward stuff. And that's barely the start of it.

Mvslimah · 08/10/2023 17:41

Which is why the declaration of faith is ‘la ilaha illa Allah’ there is no other God besides Allah

ForfarBridie · 08/10/2023 17:39

I prefer it to be used by people who understand the relevance of it because otherwise it just insincere.

Mvslimah · 08/10/2023 17:39

mikado1 · 08/10/2023 17:35

Are they not?! Thanks for that. Everyday's a school day!!

That’s not correct.

Lah is the Arabic for God or diety

Al is the definite article meaning the

Allah therefore means The God, therefore implying the other Gods (that existed in polytheistic societies) are not the real true God

mikado1 · 08/10/2023 17:35

LoserWinner · 08/10/2023 12:46

“Allah” is just “God” in Arabic, just as “Dieu” is God in French. It’s not a “specific God” - and in any case, Muslims, Christians and Jews all agree in the oneness of God, they are not talking about different deities.

Are they not?! Thanks for that. Everyday's a school day!!

Mvslimah · 08/10/2023 17:32

Pollyputhekettleon · 08/10/2023 17:29

That is absolutely not agreed by many Jews and Christians particularly. The fact Arab Christians use the same word has nothing to do with whether or not it's the same God.

Hasn’t the pope said it’s the same God? And surely the same name, which literally means the God denotes they are the same?

Pollyputhekettleon · 08/10/2023 17:29

tunainatin · 08/10/2023 17:21

Allah is just the Arabic word for God, it's not a different God. Arab Christians use the same word.

That is absolutely not agreed by many Jews and Christians particularly. The fact Arab Christians use the same word has nothing to do with whether or not it's the same God.

tunainatin · 08/10/2023 17:21

VineRipened · 08/10/2023 12:44

I would register it as mildly odd because whereas ‘god willing’ can refer to your god, my god, any god, Allah is a specific god.

As an atheist I wouldn’t say it anyway.

Allah is just the Arabic word for God, it's not a different God. Arab Christians use the same word.

IslaWinds · 08/10/2023 17:20

FGS (min 'ajl allah)
I watch a lot of Turkish telly in Arabic and in common parlance inshallah is used all the time along with other common things that incorporate ‘Allah’ in place of ‘god’. It’s not always used in the Islamic religious sense as most Muslim countries are as multicultural as we are in the U.K.

I wouldn’t go around just using it because you like the way it sounds. If it’s not your culture, language or religion you should learn and appreciate instead of just appropriating something because it sounds cool to you.

Normalsizedsalad · 08/10/2023 17:18

Mvslimah · 08/10/2023 17:13

Absolutely for Arabic speakers because it’s the language but when it’s not the language or faith then it’s weird especially as Muslim or Arab culture is much maligned in the west. So in your case your husband is arab is part of his everyday parlance but for a random white person who’s heard it and thinks it sounds cool and exotic, it’s weird

We agree here!