To be baffled at dislike for Victoria Beckham

She was just as famous as David Beckham when they married. He implies that he wouldn’t have had a post-football career in brands if it hadn’t been for her. So I guess it works both ways.

@Siameasy

However, I think the dislike may be because anyone can see she is massively punching. If you look at the traditional set up where the man brings status and the woman brings beauty. She’s averagely good looking whereas you would expect a top footballer to be with a model.

Bloody hell Siam!! Is that what women should be? Trophies?? Besides, she is a very attractive woman. I don't think that you can say that she's punching at all.

She's successful because of who she married essentially. She can't sing or act. Her clothing line wouldn't have got off the starting blocks if it wasn't for brand Beckham.

I don't mind her, she's inoffensive and certainly doesn't deserve the hate but let's not kid ourselves she has any talent.

I don't hate her but I always thought she looked standoffish and miserable so I can't say I warmed to her. I also don't think she was a great role model for body positivity as she was so thin at one time and wore clothes to accentuate that.

Jealousy?
I admire her. She wasn't the most talented singer / dancer but she obviously worked hard to get where she did and still does.
She's put up with a load of abuse. She's never responded just kept her head down and carried on. She's a good Mum, her kids all seem well balanced.
Her style has evolved, like most of us although she has far more money than me!
Good luck to her.

I don't think that she comes across as a warm individual and she spent her first few years deliberately marketing herself as 'posh' and stuck up. That was her trademark. So she doesn't come across as being particularly likeable, just rather cold and unexpressive. But neither does she come across as offensive. She's done nothing objectionable. And she has made a success of her clothing line, albeit with the help from their shared income.

YANBU

i Know nothing about the woman apart from her being in spice girls and now she designs clothes, but years and years ago I was flicking through channels and seeing what was on and stumbled onto a fly on the wall show about their lives, kind of like the Kardashian’s show. She had a nanny/housekeeper person and a friend was round and they were discussing David and the friend said how handsome he looked, the nanny agreed and Victoria turned to her and was all, “oh, you agree? Do you think my husband is attractive? How attractive? Do you like talking to him?” Etc. Basically tried to humiliate the nanny along with veiled threats that her job was at risk as she fancied David. It was really uncomfortable and I know these things are partially scripted but that didn’t seem to be. It was such a set up to lord her power and position over the nanny.
I’ve never watched an interview with her or ever seen her speak I don’t think, apart from that clip so I don’t like her at all.

That's seems to be a way of defining failure as success. They let her in to the inner circles because she is rich, famous and well connected, and she splashes her cash in the right places. They fawn over her for who she is, not what she does.

That is not most peoples definition of success.

I'm not keen on either of the Beckhams but think she and Rebecca Loos were treated way worse by the press than David Beckham who was the one cheating....?

But I do think that her success is mainly down to luck and opportunity rather than any discernible talent. It was very grating when she won an entrepreneur award some years ago.

And I think she and many other female celebs have EDs that they control at a manageable level but Id have more respect if they were honest about the pressure of being in the public eye and an expectation to stay thin, rather than pretend they only like vegetables!!

I know someone who worked for her and David one. Said she was awful but he was absolutely wonderful.

Whether she's changed in the years since I don't know. Or whether she just didn't like this guy, no idea. She comes across as someone I'd want to be friends with in interviews though. And I think her honesty in the new Netflix thing is great.

I think she gives off a cold superior vibe and having the nickname Posh Spice did her no favours as it probably rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way .

*But she's not succeding. It's not a success. She's been at it 15 years and its never made a profit, it has debts of over 50 million.

Although she does pay herself 20 mill a year somehow, so I guess thats some sort of dubious success?*

Her clothing brand is a critical success rather than financial. Couture brands can be an absolute money pit. If you compare the profits of Primark to Stella McCartney the two don't even compare. It seems like it's a passion project rather than something she's doing to make money. Thought I'll be disappointed if she leaves suppliers out of pocket when she eventually closes up.

That's such a cop out. Women don't like a woman and it's internalised misogyny or jealousy?
It's misogynistic to expect us to like all women!

We have good reasons to not like her. Don't tell us how we think.

I don’t dislike her-if he did cheat she put her kids first and stayed with him. Sounds like she takes her marriage seriously. I respect that.

However, I think the dislike may be because anyone can see she is massively punching. If you look at the traditional set up where the man brings status and the woman brings beauty. She’s averagely good looking whereas you would expect a top footballer to be with a model.

I don’t have strong feeling about her either way.

A lot of it probably is misogyny I agree

But she's not succeding. It's not a success. She's been at it 15 years and its never made a profit, it has debts of over 50 million.

Although she does pay herself 20 mill a year somehow, so I guess thats some sort of dubious success?

I know some people who have come across her in a work context and say she’s funny, nice and always very professional

As Roland Mouret said she's not a designer like me but unlike me her picture will go around the world

A lot of rich and "famous" people try to make a name in fashion. You don't hear much about it, because they are not succeeding.

What's key is the profile. The more your in the papers the higher it is. It's why an ordinary dress becomes a complete sell out when on Kate Middleton because she has the profile so has the reach.

Let’s compare Victoria Beckham to another celeb such as Stella McCartney. Stella had money and star power behind her but she still made an effort to train as a designer. She did internships with famous designers, then college and university, then a real job for about five years, before launching her own brand. Yes of course she got the jobs because her Dad was famous, and no doubt she used his money to launch her brand. But she still made an effort to become an actual designer. Unlike Victoria Beckham who just threw money at it and made zero effort. Then she passed this attitude on to her offspring, who thought they could buy their way in at the top of any field with zero effort.

And no, her brand is not a success - it loses £10-15 million per year and her husband props it up as a hobby for her.

I respect her for her achievements and love her make up brand. It's fantastic. However I don't warm to her at all. I feel uncomfortable watching her and listening to her. I don't know why. I think everything she says is so scripted and perfected.

A lot of rich and "famous" people try to make a name in fashion. You don't hear much about it, because they are not succeeding.

No one expects Victoria to be sewing the dresses of her fashion show in her kitchen at 2am the night before - she's posing for photographers or attending events elsewhere. She has never pretended to be something she's not.

I don't expect her to develop the make-up in the lab either.

I do admire her. Of course she used her name, but she is obviously very hard working, very dedicated, the success of her brand comes from her hard work.

She is involved enough in her clothing brand that it's hers, her brand, and it is the success it is today.

They've done their kids no favours by bigging them up as extraordinarily talented photographers, sportsmen, singers etc. They're distinctly average like most children.

I'm pragmatic enough to accept that nepo children naturally have some advantages. But you're setting them up for ridicule and failure if you tell the press they're super talented when they're not. It's not good parenting.

Whereas Jack Ramsey comes across as a hard-working and very likeable celebrity offspring.

I still think VB has a raw deal in their marriage though if there's any truth in the many rumours.

I remember reading that she was learning sewing/garment construction when she was starting her fashion line, and I've certainly seen photos that support that.

Every celebrity slaps their name on a fashion line or make up brand but I actually do like her clothes. I don't have the figure to wear them but I sew myself and like the simple but clever construction she seems to favour in her line.

I've got her Kajal eyeliner in two colours and I absolutely love it. Being fair-lashed and ageing, liquid liner is no longer a good look on my wrinkles but her soft pencil works wonders. I wore her lipstick for my wedding (and aforementioned eyeliner) and a couple of eyeshadows as well. So if those few products are anything to go by, her makeup range is pricy but worth it.

I like her. Yes she's not the best singer or the best fashion designer, but she's managed to make a success of herself all the same. And the worst that can be pinned on her is that she should smile more or is too thin. There's plenty more wankers in the public eye I'd tear down first tbh.