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Trump gets gagged, McCarthy gets booted. What's next in Trumpworld?

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AcrossthePond55 · 04/10/2023 13:20

Roll up, roll up for the GOP Mystery Tour!! Trump thread lost-the-count!!!

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AcrossthePond55 · 18/10/2023 18:06

BruceAndNosh · 18/10/2023 17:51

The annoying thing is that Hakeem Jeffries has more votes than Jordan, but still can't be Speaker

CNN pundits are opining that there is no way any of the GOP members will flip for Jeffries. Apparently those discussions aren't even taking place.

A GOP Rep on CNN is saying that they could 'empower' Patrick McHenry to be appointed Speaker by passing a resolution for him to do so. But they'd need the Dem votes for that to pass. Highly unlikely as he's a pretty hard line Trumper.

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AcrossthePond55 · 18/10/2023 17:53

Jordan has LOST the 2nd round of voting. There were 20 votes for other candidates from his party yesterday, today it was 22 votes. So he 'lost' 2 votes in today's round.

The Dems need to flip 5 votes for Jeffries to win. Do I think it'll happen? No.

(total voting members 435, 217 to win):

Jeffries 212
Jordan 199
Scalise 7
McCarthy 5
Other 10

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BruceAndNosh · 18/10/2023 17:51

The annoying thing is that Hakeem Jeffries has more votes than Jordan, but still can't be Speaker

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AcrossthePond55 · 18/10/2023 16:50

The reason why we're at a Speakership standstill is, IMHO, the GOP attitude of 'our way or the highway'. It goes right back to the Tea Party movement that was launched in 2009. That paved the way for the 'Power is All' attitude that the point of governance is the ability to thwart the other party to prove your 'muscle', regardless whether their ideas are better than yours or even if you have NO ideas at all. Some may say the Tea Party 'died' in 2015 but in my mind it simply morphed into the 'Freedom Caucus'. The FC philosophy of 'othering', rich = right, and economic & legislative blackmail was then 'co-opted' by Trump as being 'his' MAGA philosophy and he ran with it until it's become the train (and Country) wreck that it is today.

Now the two GOP factions (moderate vs radical conservatives) appear to be turning that 'Power is All' philosophy on each other. Unfortunately I fear that the moderates are much more likely to 'cave' than the radicals. The radicals don't care if we all go to hell in a handcart, they'd rather see the Country destroyed than give up their power. The moderates, though I disagree with their agenda, don't want to see the country destroyed and thus may be in the weaker negotiating position.

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BruceAndNosh · 18/10/2023 13:38

Between the Middle East crisis and associated diplomacy, and the vacant Speakership, when I read a headline containing "Jordan" I am frequently confused

SequentialAnalyst · 18/10/2023 13:32

These days, people seem to think that being a polician is a job, a career that you choose, a bit like being a dentist or a lawyer. Over here, if you want such a job, you read PPE at Oxford, then get an unpaid intern job with an MP. Meanwhile networking and schmoozing. Eventually you may be offered a practice candidacy in an election, for a constituency which is extremely unlikely to elect you. You keep active in whichever party you are in.

If you get it right, then you will get into Parliament.

It's not so long ago that most MPs had some sort of experience of Real Life to bring to the government of GB&NI. Experience such as having been an ordinary worker who has become active in their Trade Union, a practising doctor, or a volunteer adviser for the Citizens Advice Worker, who will have advised many ordinary people.

People who were motivated by wanting to make things good for the people of the UK, not by greed for power and status (and money - though many of today's politicions already have quite a lot of it).

SequentialAnalyst · 18/10/2023 11:51

@DreamTheMoors I know. My question was rhetorical Smile

DreamTheMoors · 18/10/2023 04:30

SequentialAnalyst · 18/10/2023 01:08

Biden's efforts seem to have been sabotaged. I am watching his plane on FlightRadar24, heading for Israeil - and I don't think he's one to give up easily.

Meanwhile, why don't they elect a Goddam speaker, and get on with doing some Proper Work Angry

They don’t elect a Goddam speaker because Jim Jordan is an election-denying, Jan 6-enabling, Trump-supporting, subpoena-rejecting jackass who’s too far right for members of the House who represent areas that voted for Biden - not to mention that he’s a jerk who’s got no business in the legislature in the first place and wouldn’t be there without his extreme-gerrymandered district in Ohio.
If they’d nominate somebody halfway decent, they’d maybe elect a speaker people could agree on and then McCarthy wouldn’t blame the Democrats for their own failure.

SequentialAnalyst · 18/10/2023 01:08

Biden's efforts seem to have been sabotaged. I am watching his plane on FlightRadar24, heading for Israeil - and I don't think he's one to give up easily.

Meanwhile, why don't they elect a Goddam speaker, and get on with doing some Proper Work Angry

AgingDisgracefullyHere · 17/10/2023 09:32

BruceAndNosh · 17/10/2023 08:53

Kudos to Judge Chutkan for paraphrasing Henry ll "will no one rid me of this s meddlesome priest" in describing the impact of Trump's words.

James Comey quoted it as well in his testimony. Trump is known for using this tactic.

He's admired and emulated mob bosses his whole career. His former personal attorney Michael Cohen said that he delivers orders in "coded language" in his congressional testimony. He knows how to skirt the edge of the issue.

In Georgia, the state legislature has created new laws that allow them to remove prosecutors they don't like. They've started to deploy it in order to remove the DA in Fulton County, so that whole case may go away. It's a huge, sprawling case with 19 co-conspirators that will take a long, long time to resolve under the best circumstances.

BruceAndNosh · 17/10/2023 08:53

Kudos to Judge Chutkan for paraphrasing Henry ll "will no one rid me of this s meddlesome priest" in describing the impact of Trump's words.

SequentialAnalyst · 17/10/2023 02:10

Don't know if this will work. But please listen from the 30 min point onward, where you will find discussion between PeterM, a woman New Zealand journalist, and Julia Manchester of The Hill, who the WS had managed in the previous 30min to arrange to speak live on the programme.

And then, I beg of you, please please listen to the rest of that last half hour. I promise you will be roaring with laughter by the end, and you will hear PM's views on various other aspects of the US as well. Honestly, you will not regret it.

BBC World Service - Business Matters, Leaders gather for Belt and Road Forum

BBC World Service - Business Matters, Leaders gather for Belt and Road Forum

President Putin is due to attend the meeting in Beijing to mark 10 years of the programme

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w172yzrsng5gpvg

SequentialAnalyst · 17/10/2023 01:16

Business Matters has just told us about Blinken's announcements. He's getting somewhere with the Iraelis, and Biden is going to Israel on Wednesday.

And one of my favourite contributors is on, Peter Marizzi, the right-wing economist, who knows his subject, suffers no foolsGrin, and is always worth listening to.

SequentialAnalyst · 16/10/2023 23:52

"I think it went rather well"
This is actually the same as what Trump would have said, only in British English. Masterly understatement is the order of the day over here - and Boris is the master of the glib lie and various other Trumpian things.

@Wallaw I don't actually believe everything I read Wink
I also shout - sadly often at BBC News, on the radio and the TV. I trust ITV more than the BBC for TV news now.
The BBC World Sevice programmes "Business Matters" and "The Newsroom" seem to me to be the most reliable news and discussion sources I can access in the UK at the moment. They are available on BBC Sounds to stream, shortly after they are broadcast, I think.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/10/2023 23:33

@SequentialAnalyst

That Peppa Pig speech was rather Trump-esque.

But a least BoJo responded to a question about it with "I think it went rather well" whereas Doofus would have said it was 'the greatest speech, full of all the best words".

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SequentialAnalyst · 16/10/2023 23:33

Well, my first time on Truth Social. The phrase "hoist with his own petard" springs to mind.

SequentialAnalyst · 16/10/2023 23:31

As I said, it's because of this thread that I subscribe to the NYT (and possibly because of one of the feminism boards as well, not sure). What I saw, when I followed links posted here, was interesting enough to make me shell out actual money, though I thought it a reasonable amount.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/10/2023 23:27

Wonder how long that Truth Social account will be allowed to remain.

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AcrossthePond55 · 16/10/2023 23:25

@Wallaw

Just came to post on the new gag order. A step in the right direction for sure. Hopefully the penalties will have some teeth to them

apple.news/A9WSn7aOsSZ-VaVDdxg7Rhg

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AgingDisgracefullyHere · 16/10/2023 23:06

Biden was brilliant to take the Dark Brandon meme and run with it.

I voted against Trump rather than for Biden, but I have really come to like the guy.

smokingcarriageonly · 16/10/2023 19:28

SequentialAnalyst · 16/10/2023 18:46

Thanks to this thread, I am a subscriber to the NYT. Good article.
They do publish some good in-depth essays. But they are soooo looong, and at present I don't have the time.

The description of Trump's behaviour in that article reminds me, in a way, of the daughter of a friend. She lost the plot after her DF died, smoked too much dope, and started to think she could change the world, and other people, by fiat. What she said was right, and therefore what she said was true, and why didn't the universe pull itself together and start doing what she told it to...Mind you, she wanted nicer things than Trump does, but it was a similar vibe.

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The irony is that I almost never read NYT coverage of DT because they're unhinged in their own way 😀
I seek a more neutral, nuanced space. I don't need the NYT to tell me crazy person is crazy!
But the tone of that piece was interesting and I hoped someone here might enjoy it.
Also read an article about two families who moved away from their home state to one that felt more comfortable. As I clicked on it I thought, hmm, what are the chances it'll be politically moderate families moving to places where diverse views are tolerated and encouraged? Er no.

SequentialAnalyst · 16/10/2023 19:00

Are you people across the Pond aware of Boris' Peppa Pig speech, when he was Prime Minister? A nation watched in disbelief, uncertain whether to laugh or cry. So we all decided to laugh. But really, it was no laughing matter...

AcrossthePond55 · 16/10/2023 18:56

I recently saw a clip of Doofus' speech at a recent rally where he went off on a diatribe about 'terrible microphones' and how bad his was, it was on purpose, it was a plot, if he didn't get elected blame it on the microphone. Then it was a beautiful mike, the best mike ever. In between were random sentences about Israel/Hamas (which would never have happened if he was POTUS, of course) and Biden's economic policies (which are terrible, naturally). I swear he swerved back and forth, in and out to the point where I asked DH "Is this double word salad or am I having hearing problems?". Nope, it wasn't me.

I agree with the OpEd. I think he's losing the plot. And I think a lot of it is because his rallies, his SM posts, his self-serving remarks aren't being televised as broadly in the past, whereas his legal woes are top news stories. Maybe things are starting to morph into "If Trump bleeds, it leads" lol.

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SequentialAnalyst · 16/10/2023 18:46

Thanks to this thread, I am a subscriber to the NYT. Good article.
They do publish some good in-depth essays. But they are soooo looong, and at present I don't have the time.

The description of Trump's behaviour in that article reminds me, in a way, of the daughter of a friend. She lost the plot after her DF died, smoked too much dope, and started to think she could change the world, and other people, by fiat. What she said was right, and therefore what she said was true, and why didn't the universe pull itself together and start doing what she told it to...Mind you, she wanted nicer things than Trump does, but it was a similar vibe.

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