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AcrossthePond55 · 2023-10-04T12:20:13+00:00

Roll up, roll up for the GOP Mystery Tour!! Trump thread lost-the-count!!!

Lizzieregina · 26/10/2023 15:08

@AcrossthePond55 oh I agree with every word you said! And I never ever miss an election or a chance to vote and neither do my young adult kids! My youngest DD mithers all her friends to vote too, but unfortunately many of them “don’t see the point”! But she perseveres.

And while I love Mrs Obama, I do think we should be going low nowadays because we’re taking a butter knife to a knife fight.

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AcrossthePond55 · 26/10/2023 14:37

Lizzieregina · 25/10/2023 20:26

@AcrossthePond55 gerrymandering of districts is unfortunately also a factor. And Republican administrations disenfranchising voters of color every chance they get.

I live in a reliably blue state, and sometimes hate that I feel like my vote doesn’t make a difference like it would in a swing state.

I get your feeling and yes, gerrymandering & disenfranchisement is a real problem. But again, our only power (unless we want to run for office) is in the vote. The 'other problem' is that the Dem Party isn't real willing to play as dirty as the GOP, and that they appear to be ignoring the strategy the GOP is using to 'capture' those low level elective offices the GOP realizes can be key in manipulating future elections. There are times to 'go high when they go low' but sometimes you also have to fight fire with fire.

I'm in one of the 'bluest of the blue' states, but I still feel my vote counts. Especially because I live in a 'pocket of red' within this state. It counts because I can vote in reliably 'blue' legislators. If we, even in reliably blue states, don't vote to keep our states blue, we risk losing it. And because a high voter turnout encourages everyone to vote. And hopefully that will encourage swing state Democrats & Independents to get out and vote.

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SerendipityJane · 26/10/2023 07:35

Democracy is the least worst form of government.

I think sortition probably is. In fact unless anyone can prove otherwise, I shall posit that it is the best form of government, depending what you think government is for. And we are learning there is a spread of opinions as to what that is.

Spandauer · 25/10/2023 22:29

To be fair, none of the speaker candidates were palatable to anyone with a conscience (and/or a backbone).

The U.K. knows only too well what happens when you elect someone who goes by the name of Johnson...

SequentialAnalyst · 25/10/2023 22:28

My amateur take on this:
Quite rightly, the US Constitution is an attempt to come up with something a lot better than being ruled by a bunch of people thousands of miles away, while also guarding against US citizens who want to pervert governance for their own ends. This seems to have ended up with two Parliaments and a President, so that everyone can keep an eye on everyone else. Possibly at the expense of effective government.

The UK does have a Constitution, of course, but it's an unwritten one. That means we can pass laws, and in deciding on cases, the judiciary can set precedents based on those laws. If we need a new bit of Constitution, the great and the good get together and work something out. At least, I think that's roughly how it's supposed to work.

Democracy is the least worst form of government. IUIC, effective democracy also requires well educated participants. I must say, I have heard many well educated intelligent Americans speaking on BBC World Service, and CNN, recently. Not to mention you lot

Lizzieregina · 25/10/2023 20:26

@AcrossthePond55 gerrymandering of districts is unfortunately also a factor. And Republican administrations disenfranchising voters of color every chance they get.

I live in a reliably blue state, and sometimes hate that I feel like my vote doesn’t make a difference like it would in a swing state.

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AcrossthePond55 · 25/10/2023 20:23

And of course Doofus is taking all the credit for Johnson being elected Speaker.

From the BBC website:

"At this time yesterday, nobody was thinking of Mike," Trump said. "And then we put out the word and now he's Speaker of the House."

"So, I want to just thank all of the great supporters that I have," Trump added.

And re Johnson himself:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/mike-johnson-january-6-house-speaker-nominee-rcna122081

GOP speaker nominee Mike Johnson played a key role in efforts to overturn the 2020 election

Johnson, the latest Republican nominee for House speaker, led an amicus brief in support of a Texas lawsuit seeking to overturn Joe Biden's 2020 victory in four battleground states.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/mike-johnson-january-6-house-speaker-nominee-rcna122081

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AcrossthePond55 · 25/10/2023 20:19

BruceAndNosh · 25/10/2023 19:58

Trump fined $10k for another violation of gag order.
FFS

Chump change. Doofus probably feels it's well worth it if it gets his 'message' out to even one potential juror.

It's like us being fined $10 for illegal parking. If I knew that paying a $10 fine saved me from walking half a mile then I'd park illegally.

The real deterrent is jail time. He's not going to stop until he ends up behind bars.

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AcrossthePond55 · 25/10/2023 20:14

SerendipityJane · 25/10/2023 15:07

It's up to 'We, the people' to bring order to this chaos through the ballot box.

And if you don't ?

If we cannot unite and turn this country around then we don't deserve our democracy. By 'we' I'm speaking of the rational people of this country, Dems, Independents and right thinking members of the GOP. There are more of us than there are of 'them'. It's voter apathy that's allowing a radical minority to get into office. Apathy amongst Dems and Independents, and in the case of some GOP members, fear. But they need to remember that the ballot box is locked and their vote is secret.

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BruceAndNosh · 25/10/2023 19:58

Trump fined $10k for another violation of gag order.
FFS

BruceAndNosh · 25/10/2023 19:57

DuncinToffee · 25/10/2023 19:48

Any bets on how long he will last?

Longer than he deserves to.
I suspect the GOP realise that this fiasco has not been a vote winner. Matt Gaetz will have pissed a lot of voters off. So they'll keep him as long as they can

Lizzieregina · 25/10/2023 19:53

DuncinToffee · 25/10/2023 19:48

Any bets on how long he will last?

It looks like he has full Republican support so he could be around awhile unfortunately. I’d like to know what threats were used to get everyone on board!

It just seems too unlikely that everyone was agreeable to this without some coercion.

DuncinToffee · 25/10/2023 19:48

Any bets on how long he will last?

Lizzieregina · 25/10/2023 19:04

Yes I’ve been watching the speaker vote and this dude will not be helpful.

WTF is wrong with all these Republicans that they’re all still scared of incurring Trump’s wrath? What a bunch of spineless weasels.

prettybird · 25/10/2023 18:58

FFS Trump Ally wins vote to become Speaker

SerendipityJane · 25/10/2023 15:07

It's up to 'We, the people' to bring order to this chaos through the ballot box.

And if you don't ?

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AcrossthePond55 · 25/10/2023 13:36

SerendipityJane · 25/10/2023 07:31

In another "When did you last change your mind" moment, I have gone right off the US Constitution. Turns out being written down doesn't make it better, nor protect it from malice.

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I still believe in the Constitution. The problem isn't with the document, it's with politicians. Our Founding Fathers had standards of honour and a belief in their own duty to promote the 'common welfare' of the People. I just don't think they could conceive of such dishonorable people getting into positions of such importance.

It's up to 'We, the people' to bring order to this chaos through the ballot box. As Ben Franklin said "You have your republic, if you can keep it".

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BruceAndNosh · 25/10/2023 12:32

Fuck me, they're going to nominate Trump eventually. Despite the fact that it is against throe rules for Speaker to be under indictment.

I'd actually like to see that, as long as he loses the vote. His head would explode

BruceAndNosh · 25/10/2023 10:02

Meadow's evidence given under immunity cannot be used against him in any federal trial. Explains why he was so desperate to get Georgia case bumped up to federal court...

BruceAndNosh · 25/10/2023 10:00

Breaking news... @BruceAndNosh new candidate for Speaker. 😁

Spandauer · 25/10/2023 09:56

Yes - a written constitution seemingly causing as much chaos and non-government as not having one has done to the U.K.

But then hasn't that been Bannon's plan all along?
(It will end up being MTG at this rate...)

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1716967223770693632/pu/vid/avc1/1350x720/2ongHCHqFy9U0Z7N.mp4?tag=12

SerendipityJane · 25/10/2023 07:31

AcrossthePond55 · 24/10/2023 23:32

What's happening is precisely nothing. Until there's a Speaker there can't be any movement of bills in the House. The Senate can do their work as usual, but even if they pass legislation it can't be 'law' until the House votes on it. And the House can't vote on it until the Speaker brings those bills to the floor. And we have no Speaker so.........

Speaker Pro Tem could move things along IF the House votes him the ability. But no one's putting that forth as a resolution to vote on.

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In another "When did you last change your mind" moment, I have gone right off the US Constitution. Turns out being written down doesn't make it better, nor protect it from malice.

SequentialAnalyst · 25/10/2023 03:16

I suppose the rest of the world can be thankful that all the most useless US politicians are more concerned with court cases and getting one over on each other, so the Grown Ups, Biden and Blinken, can get on with doing their jobs without interference.

B&B are among many wise people currently trying their best to sort out the huge mess that has recently broken out on this side of the Atlantic. Not to mention the other huge mess that broke out a couple of years ago on this side of the Atlantic.

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AcrossthePond55 · 24/10/2023 23:32

lljkk · 24/10/2023 21:59

Y'all know about the looming budget cap / deficit default deadline in mid November, yeah?

Part I don't understand is what is happening to any bills, can Speaker pro Temp propose them? Or is absolutely everything stalled?

Maybe USA is becoming Belgium.

I love how in all-house votes, Hakim Jeffries gets the most votes every round.... Pelosi's legacy is brill.

What's happening is precisely nothing. Until there's a Speaker there can't be any movement of bills in the House. The Senate can do their work as usual, but even if they pass legislation it can't be 'law' until the House votes on it. And the House can't vote on it until the Speaker brings those bills to the floor. And we have no Speaker so.........

Speaker Pro Tem could move things along IF the House votes him the ability. But no one's putting that forth as a resolution to vote on.

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AcrossthePond55 · 24/10/2023 23:27

https://abcnews.go.com/US/chief-staff-mark-meadows-granted-immunity-tells-special/story?id=104231281#:~:text=From%202013%20to%202020%2C%20Meadows,him%20in%20a%20federal%20prosecution.

Now that Meadows has gotten his federal immunity deal, I expect that he'll soon flip in the GA case. He originally pled not guilty, but that can be changed with the right incentives.

Ex-Chief of Staff Mark Meadows granted immunity, tells special counsel he warned Trump about 2020 claims: Sources

Ex-Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows has spoken with Jack Smith's team several times this year, and Smith granted Meadows immunity to testify under oath, sources say.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/chief-staff-mark-meadows-granted-immunity-tells-special/story?id=104231281#:~:text=From%202013%20to%202020%2C%20Meadows,him%20in%20a%20federal%20prosecution.

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