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Trump gets gagged, McCarthy gets booted. What's next in Trumpworld?

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AcrossthePond55 · 04/10/2023 13:20

Roll up, roll up for the GOP Mystery Tour!! Trump thread lost-the-count!!!

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SequentialAnalyst · 07/11/2023 18:50

Alina is a bit of a looker who met Trump shortly after she joined Bedminster Golf Club and seems to have an eye for the main chance.
Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alina_Habba

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 07/11/2023 11:49

BruceAndNosh · 07/11/2023 03:01

Quoted by CNN
Trump attorney Alina Habba told the judge, “Obviously are going to be moving for a mistrial, that is part of the plan.”

Another one saying the quiet bit out loud, then. All the competent lawyers like to be paid, so they don't want to work for Trump. He stiffed Cohen, and Giuliani, and people noticed.

BruceAndNosh · 07/11/2023 03:01

AcrossthePond55 · 07/11/2023 01:03

I think that was the plan all along.

Quoted by CNN
Trump attorney Alina Habba told the judge, “Obviously are going to be moving for a mistrial, that is part of the plan.”

AcrossthePond55 · 07/11/2023 01:03

BruceAndNosh · 07/11/2023 00:08

Just how bad Trump performed today is illustrated by his lawyers closing the day discussing with the judge how they can file for a mistrial...

I think that was the plan all along.

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AutumnCrow · 07/11/2023 00:17

Blimey, @BruceAndNosh. What's the maximum that Trump can be fined in this case, do you have any idea?

BruceAndNosh · 07/11/2023 00:08

Just how bad Trump performed today is illustrated by his lawyers closing the day discussing with the judge how they can file for a mistrial...

BruceAndNosh · 07/11/2023 00:06

AutumnCrow · 06/11/2023 21:02

Yes, that's under insurance, isn't it? So his assets would effectively be uninsured? Which would again be a fraud against investors relying on honest valuations.

Property taxes are based on market appraisal (which is why Trump was quite content for Mar a Lago to be valued at $28m not that long ago)

AutumnCrow · 06/11/2023 22:14

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 06/11/2023 22:08

Yes, the polls one year out mean rather less than nothing; they reflect the views of people who answer their phones to strangers, which is not a typical cohort of the population, and they've been pretty consistently irrelevant all this century.

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Ah yes, I remember Leo in the West Wing: 'Put a poll in the field'. In other words, these days, 'ring up a skewed demographic and hope for the best'.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 06/11/2023 22:08

lljkk · 06/11/2023 21:35

"One year out, Trump leads Biden."

2011: "Harvard poll predicts Obama loss". By 11 percentage points, even.

Yes, the polls one year out mean rather less than nothing; they reflect the views of people who answer their phones to strangers, which is not a typical cohort of the population, and they've been pretty consistently irrelevant all this century.

AutumnCrow · 06/11/2023 21:02

BruceAndNosh · 06/11/2023 20:49

Doofus keeps whining that the statements DIDN'T overvalue his assets, in fact his assets were UNDERVALUED. Clearly he's missed whole point of a financial statement - it's meant to accurately reflect the true value, admitting his assets were undervalued is just as fraudulent as overvaluation.

Yes, that's under insurance, isn't it? So his assets would effectively be uninsured? Which would again be a fraud against investors relying on honest valuations.

BruceAndNosh · 06/11/2023 20:49

Doofus keeps whining that the statements DIDN'T overvalue his assets, in fact his assets were UNDERVALUED. Clearly he's missed whole point of a financial statement - it's meant to accurately reflect the true value, admitting his assets were undervalued is just as fraudulent as overvaluation.

AcrossthePond55 · 06/11/2023 19:53

I wasn't aware that Scotland is the 'oil capital of the world'. But I guess if Trump says it..............

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BruceAndNosh · 06/11/2023 18:44

SequentialAnalyst · 06/11/2023 17:58

He's clueless. (Surprise!)

Brand value is what we in England used to call Goodwill when selling a business as a going concern. It only comes into play if you sell, and the value is agreed between you and the buyer.

Golf courses with no houses on are not worth the same as golf courses with houses on them. (Trump claims they are!) This applies even if "I could build them if I wanted to, so there!"Grin Once the houses have actually been built, then you can do the valuation.

Time and again on Dragon's Den, we see hopeful business owners overvalue their business. They project huge growth, and try to value the business based on that. The Dragons do their best, but even they can't always get it through to the hopefuls that the value of a business is based on actual figures, past and present. Not the future, definitely not the future!

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He said he hasn't built houses yet on Trump Aberdeen but he can do so whenever he wants.
Obviously not aware of Scottish planning permission requirements...

SequentialAnalyst · 06/11/2023 18:30

The banks are interested in the value of what they, the banks, could sell, if the borrower defaults on the loan, or if the bank decides to call the loan in.

Smoke blown from Trump's arse is worth nothing to a bank. No matter how much Trump thinks it should be worth, to the banks it's worth a big fat smelly zeroGrin

AcrossthePond55 · 06/11/2023 18:11

AutumnCrow · 06/11/2023 16:34

This is from the Guardian live blog. Isn't this Trump basically admitting it? Grin

“The most valuable asset was the brand value,” he said. “If you look at the companies, the brand value is a very big part of the asset value of the company.”

“If I wanted to build up a statement,” Trump said, “I would have added brand value here ...

... and I would have increased it 10s of millions of dollars”

Yes mate, that's what's you did and what you're going down for! [my comment]

“It’s an asset,” he said of his brand. “Coca-Cola has it, and other big companies, public companies” have it.”

“I became president because of my brand,” Trump also said. “I sell books at levels that are incredible because of my brand.”

I can't quote them all, but there have been more than a few statements that could be interpreted as admitting he was aware of AND complicit in falsifying valuations and the actual sizes of properties in documents.

But the CNN legal analyst bring up that the judge has already found that he's committed fraud so it's like Trump is cutting off his own nose when it comes to the penalties. I just don't think he can help himself.

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SequentialAnalyst · 06/11/2023 17:58

He's clueless. (Surprise!)

Brand value is what we in England used to call Goodwill when selling a business as a going concern. It only comes into play if you sell, and the value is agreed between you and the buyer.

Golf courses with no houses on are not worth the same as golf courses with houses on them. (Trump claims they are!) This applies even if "I could build them if I wanted to, so there!"Grin Once the houses have actually been built, then you can do the valuation.

Time and again on Dragon's Den, we see hopeful business owners overvalue their business. They project huge growth, and try to value the business based on that. The Dragons do their best, but even they can't always get it through to the hopefuls that the value of a business is based on actual figures, past and present. Not the future, definitely not the future!

DuncinToffee · 06/11/2023 17:31

Counsel: did you prepare the 2021 financial statement
Trump: ‘I was so busy in the White House, focusing on Russia and China and keeping our country safe’
Counsel: you weren’t president then

SequentialAnalyst · 06/11/2023 16:40

Some pretty high-powered folk on CNN - it makes the BBC's efforts look woeful in comparison. The US produces some excellent well-educated people.

CNN on a break, there was a short piece about a test pilot who tests electric aeroplanes/airplanes. Smile

AgingDisgracefullyHere · 06/11/2023 16:37

Lizzieregina · 06/11/2023 16:15

@AcrossthePond55 I think you give him too much credit to think he might actually have a “strategy” that he’s sticking to. I think he’s just an idiot rambling on talking shite!

I really really wish he’d just evaporate into the ether.

I wish he were just a rambling idiot. Unfortunately, he's actually a genius in certain respects when it comes to media manipulation and commanding attention. A literal idiot savaant.

AutumnCrow · 06/11/2023 16:34

This is from the Guardian live blog. Isn't this Trump basically admitting it? Grin

“The most valuable asset was the brand value,” he said. “If you look at the companies, the brand value is a very big part of the asset value of the company.”

“If I wanted to build up a statement,” Trump said, “I would have added brand value here ...

... and I would have increased it 10s of millions of dollars”

Yes mate, that's what's you did and what you're going down for! [my comment]

“It’s an asset,” he said of his brand. “Coca-Cola has it, and other big companies, public companies” have it.”

“I became president because of my brand,” Trump also said. “I sell books at levels that are incredible because of my brand.”

SequentialAnalyst · 06/11/2023 16:30

Trump is like a Bizzarro Buzz Light Year toy (not to be confused with Buzz Light Year The ToyWink)

Press a button, and a little pre-programmed utterance spills forth. "Who is he, I hardly knew him," "The election was rigged, I was robbed," etc. He just has a few more buttons and fewer brain cells than a BBLYt.

CNN on right now, and about to catch up with The Guardian live blog. Thanks!

Lizzieregina · 06/11/2023 16:15

@AcrossthePond55 I think you give him too much credit to think he might actually have a “strategy” that he’s sticking to. I think he’s just an idiot rambling on talking shite!

I really really wish he’d just evaporate into the ether.

DuncinToffee · 06/11/2023 16:14

I am following it via the Guardian live blog

Judge is close to booting Trump out

AcrossthePond55 · 06/11/2023 16:11

Live updates from CNN online

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-civil-fraud-trial-11-06-23/index.html

If you can watch live CNN TV, do.

Basically Trump being Trump. Rambling political speechifying, defiant responses, antagonizing the judge, portraying himself as a martyr. I can't figure if he's just an egotistical idiot or if it's a specific strategy to get the judge to do something 'appealable'. Currently the judge has threatened to dismiss Trump from the stand and 'make every negative inference from his testimony' in making his decision. Court currently in 15 min break.

The other 'strategy' is that apparently Trump will only be required to testify on this one day. Theory is that he's 'running down the clock' to avoid giving any 'real' answers.

CNN - Live updates: Donald Trump testifies in New York civil fraud trial

Live updates: Donald Trump testifies in New York civil fraud trial

Former President Donald Trump is taking the stand Monday to testify in the New York civil fraud case against him. Follow here for the latest live news updates.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-civil-fraud-trial-11-06-23/index.html

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