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Trump gets gagged, McCarthy gets booted. What's next in Trumpworld?

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AcrossthePond55 · 04/10/2023 13:20

Roll up, roll up for the GOP Mystery Tour!! Trump thread lost-the-count!!!

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 14/12/2023 14:04

It looks more and more as if Giuliani is going to end up in prison some time next year because he has no money left to pay the damages he's collecting and his lawyers' fees.

And Trump's lawyers now have until next Wednesday to tell the Supreme Court why they shouldn't fast-track the case about Trump's immunity (or lack of it), because SCOTUS seems to have said they will look at it quickly as per Jack Smith's request. Mind you: "fast" for the then SCOTUS in the case of Nixon was 61 days, which would now take us to late February, woudn't it; cutting it a little fine for a March trial.

SerendipityJane · 14/12/2023 08:52

BruceAndNosh · 14/12/2023 08:02

Giuliani on the stand should be interesting. He's less able to stop himself telling lies than even Trump. His own lawyer has admitted he can't control him.
Of course he might yet produce his cast iron evidence...

For some reason I just heard ...

When old men do the fighting, and the young men all look on.

(which continues :

And the young girls drink their mother's milk, from tubes of plasticon.
Be wary please, my gentle friends, of all the skin you breed.
They have a tasty habit, they bite the hand that feeds.

)

BruceAndNosh · 14/12/2023 08:02

Giuliani on the stand should be interesting. He's less able to stop himself telling lies than even Trump. His own lawyer has admitted he can't control him.
Of course he might yet produce his cast iron evidence...

AcrossthePond55 · 13/12/2023 15:16

BruceAndNosh · 13/12/2023 10:19

And WTF is Guiliani playing at?
After Monday's first day of his trial, he says to press that Freeman and Moss WERE changing votes, thus defaming them again. Like Trump, he says he's going to produce cast iron evidence, which somehow he hasn't bothered to provide any time over the last 3 years...
Tuesday's presser included the nugget that the women's lawyers are "something to do with Hunter Biden"....
I suspect Wednesdays press conf will mention Hilarys emails!

A legal commentator was talking about this on MSNBC. It's already been determined that Giuliani defamed these two election workers. The current trial is for liability and damages. The commentator said that Giuliani has now opened himself up to further charges of defamation and more monetary damages.

Giuliani team's response? "He's almost 80. He's old and we can't control him". Or words to that effect. At any rate they blame 'his age'.

And I wouldn't be a bit surprised at hidden cams at MarALago or any Trump property for that matter. Anybody who needs a good 'public reputation' who would have an 'illicit encounter' at any Trump property is just plain stupid and probably shouldn't be in a position of public trust to begin with..

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AcrossthePond55 · 13/12/2023 15:08

BruceAndNosh · 13/12/2023 10:14

The great thing is Trump can't really come up with a valid reason NOT to go straight to Supreme Court!

They already have, sort of. They have until 12.20 to file an 'official' response but they're saying it's "attempting to “try for a Hail Mary by racing to the Supreme Court and attempting to bypass the appellate process”".

No word from SCOTUS so far on whether they'll consider Smith's request.

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SerendipityJane · 13/12/2023 12:46

BruceAndNosh · 13/12/2023 10:19

And WTF is Guiliani playing at?
After Monday's first day of his trial, he says to press that Freeman and Moss WERE changing votes, thus defaming them again. Like Trump, he says he's going to produce cast iron evidence, which somehow he hasn't bothered to provide any time over the last 3 years...
Tuesday's presser included the nugget that the women's lawyers are "something to do with Hunter Biden"....
I suspect Wednesdays press conf will mention Hilarys emails!

And Keirs beer ...

BruceAndNosh · 13/12/2023 10:22

Re Serious dirt - I've long had this theory that the guest rooms at Maralago have hidden cameras and Trump provides "partners" to create compromising tapes of his guests!

BruceAndNosh · 13/12/2023 10:19

And WTF is Guiliani playing at?
After Monday's first day of his trial, he says to press that Freeman and Moss WERE changing votes, thus defaming them again. Like Trump, he says he's going to produce cast iron evidence, which somehow he hasn't bothered to provide any time over the last 3 years...
Tuesday's presser included the nugget that the women's lawyers are "something to do with Hunter Biden"....
I suspect Wednesdays press conf will mention Hilarys emails!

BruceAndNosh · 13/12/2023 10:14

The great thing is Trump can't really come up with a valid reason NOT to go straight to Supreme Court!

AcrossthePond55 · 12/12/2023 16:09

BruceAndNosh · 12/12/2023 10:08

Trump is objecting to Smith going straight to Supreme Court because it compresses his delay tactics. Despite the fact that if /when Trump loses at appeal, he will keep appealing up to Supreme Court level.
I k ow they are somewhat in his pocket, but SC surely CAN'T rule for Trump?
The Catch 22 is that if a President has unchallenged immunity, that means BIDEN can do anything he wants to do right now too...

The Catch 22 is that if a President has unchallenged immunity, that means BIDEN can do anything he wants to do right now too...

And I'm pretty sure the current SCOTUS is quite aware of that, so IF they're inclined to do Doofus' bidding, they're really on the horns of a dilemma. Plus, a precedent as been 'sort of' previously set with the United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974) ruling by SCOTUS. Although that decision was strictly on executive privilege vis á vis a subpoena for evidence in a criminal trial. Doofus' team is alleging a much broader definition, that executive privilege grants total and complete immunity for ANY actions by any POTUS. Apparently, even actions they take after losing an election.

I know we always say "Oh that simply WON'T be allowed to happen" wrt Doofus, only to be shocked and stunned when it does. But I think if it does happen it won't be because he's calling in 'favours' from his appointees, it'll be because Doofus has some serious dirt on some of the Justices, especially Justice Thomas.

Of course, SCOTUS can simply refuse to hear the plea, which is what I sort of expect them to do and thereby dodge Doofus' bullet. They'll cite a need to 'follow judicial procedure' and say it needs to go through the regular appellate system. Since Doofus prime imperative is to delay the trial until after the election his objective will be accomplished without SCOTUS having to make a ruling at all.

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SerendipityJane · 12/12/2023 13:19

The Catch 22 is that if a President has unchallenged immunity, that means BIDEN can do anything he wants to do right now too...

Indeed. Well played Joe Biden for getting that idiot Trump to grant you unfettered power as president. I honestly thought some of the less thick Republicans would have spotted that a mile off. I guess they aren't that clever.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 12/12/2023 13:09

BruceAndNosh
The Catch 22 is that if a President has unchallenged immunity, that means BIDEN can do anything he wants to do right now too...

Like for example call off the election and declare himself president for life, with the succession to be at his gift?

Or just throw Trump into prison arbitrarily?

BruceAndNosh · 12/12/2023 10:08

Trump is objecting to Smith going straight to Supreme Court because it compresses his delay tactics. Despite the fact that if /when Trump loses at appeal, he will keep appealing up to Supreme Court level.
I k ow they are somewhat in his pocket, but SC surely CAN'T rule for Trump?
The Catch 22 is that if a President has unchallenged immunity, that means BIDEN can do anything he wants to do right now too...

DreamTheMoors · 12/12/2023 02:07

Kevin’s a quitter.

AcrossthePond55 · 11/12/2023 23:23

SC Jack Smith has asked SCOTUS to rule directly on Doofus' assertion that he has blanket immunity from prosecution under executive privilege. This would bypass federal appellate court and (I believe) put the kibosh on one of Trump's legal team's delaying tactics.

Leon Jaworski did the same thing during Watergate in order to get ahold of Nixon's tape recordings. SCOTUS ruled in Jaworski's favour and Nixon resigned 2 weeks later.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/politics/special-counsel-trump-jack-smith/index.html

Special counsel goes directly to Supreme Court to resolve whether Trump has immunity from prosecution | CNN Politics

Special counsel Jack Smith on Monday asked the Supreme Court to decide whether Donald Trump has any immunity from criminal prosecution for alleged crimes he committed while in office – the first time that the high court will weigh in on the historic pr...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/politics/special-counsel-trump-jack-smith/index.html

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PerkingFaintly · 07/12/2023 09:42

Fair enough, Wallaw, and I'm sorry to have made you feel uncomfortable.

Obviously trans stuff occasionally is relevant when discussing Trump-ism and Trump-ist and Putin-ist manipulation, as it's very clearly on their list of "cracks into which to insert the knife and wiggle". But fair enough to avoid when not necessary.

jcyclops · 06/12/2023 23:44

According to Trump, his mental acuity is beyond reproach. He recently completed a jigsaw puzzle in a week, when the box said 2-4 years!

AcrossthePond55 · 06/12/2023 22:57

Kevin McCarthy resigning from Congress at the end of the year.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/kevin-mccarthy-resigning/index.html

He's from CA so Gov Newsom will call a special election for McCarthy's district. It's about the most 'red' district there is in CA so the chances of a Dem replacing him are pretty much nil although there's nothing to stop a Dem from running.

Kevin McCarthy to leave Congress at the end of this year | CNN Politics

Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy is resigning from Congress snd will leave at the end of this year, he announced the Wall Street Journal in an op-ed published Wednesday.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/kevin-mccarthy-resigning/index.html

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SerendipityJane · 06/12/2023 15:37

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/12/2023 15:15

No, but I was accused of antisemitism because I criticised Suella Braverman's rabble rousing in the run up to Armistice Day.

I notice a similar theme with "transphobe".

If you need to ask, then you clearly must be one.

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/12/2023 15:15

No, but I was accused of antisemitism because I criticised Suella Braverman's rabble rousing in the run up to Armistice Day.

SerendipityJane · 03/12/2023 13:57

Anyone else been accused of being anti Semitic for asking what anti Semitic means ? Shaming ignorance and a desire to learn is the greatest power oppressors have. Making learning a thing to be despised.

PerkingFaintly · 03/12/2023 12:11

Well, we've just seen Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (the guy who calls himself Tommy Robinson) formerly of the BNP and a founder of the English Defence League, try to make a march about antisemitism all about him.

Beware of situations that have been engineered to bring opponents together.

I think that's spot on. I think I've seen a lot of it in recent politics, but about groups rather than individuals. Group A realises it's never going to get groups X, Y, Z to like or support it; so instead tries to capitalise on moments when X, Y or Z are in conflict with some other group (for bonus points, in conflict with each other!), and attempt to claim common ground or to work together "for this issue only" – in the hope some of its material or networking will stick.

Obviously it didn't work for Yaxley-Lennon on this occasion, and he was unceremoniously seen off by the march organisers and police!

Some making of alliances happens naturally, of course. I've never been a fan of giving people a label and telling them they're on Team A and must believe all the Team A Manifesto and be eternal enemies of Team B.

But recently I've seen a lot of attempts at alliance-making which have marks of being engineered – including, where need be, engineering or at least fomenting the conflict in the first place. As someone said of the Orange Guy, he holds a puppy down in a bucket of water – then pulls it out and say, "Look, look, I rescued a puppy!" Similarly Russia attempts to recolonise Ukraine, burns and mines farmland, steals crops... and then turns up on the doorsteps of African countries which were formerly de facto under Soviet imperialism and says, "Look, look, we'll give you all this grain to rescue you from the famine caused by the West's war." See also propagators of male control and violence against women who are suddenly supporters of "women's rights" - courtesy of trans issues (though don't you be asking for any rights which might impinge on anyone important, little ladyHmm).

So I think you're bang on about unholy alliances being key in our time. They just might not look exactly like Pompey & Crassus.

History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme, etc.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 03/12/2023 11:41

SerendipityJane · 03/12/2023 10:31

It's not illegal if the President government does it

Since it has been ruled (on 16th November) not to be legal, presumably it, like the proroguing of parliament by Johnson, IS illegal.

As with Johnson, Sunak proposes to ignore the illegality and do it anyway, of course. Apparently he is happy to break the law. Well, otherwise he'd have wasted the £140million we have already paid Rwanda to do it, and I'm sure he wouldn't want to waste money. (coff coff)

SerendipityJane · 03/12/2023 11:11

PerkingFaintly · 03/12/2023 11:01

I caught part of that! Found it too painful to watch much of right now. I think Rory Stewart made the direct comparison with the Orange Guy's bad behaviour (not his military or poetic skills, obviously...).

The key was the unholy alliance of Pompey and Crassus. It will be the key in our times. Beware of situations that have been engineered to bring opponents together. Right now I can't think of any.

Can you ?