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AcrossthePond55 · 2023-10-04T12:20:13+00:00

Roll up, roll up for the GOP Mystery Tour!! Trump thread lost-the-count!!!

Efacsen · 17/02/2024 22:13

Bravo GoFundMe!!

DuncinToffee · 17/02/2024 22:11

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2024 19:12

I wonder how long this humiliation will be allowed to stand. What's this - about $4,000 an hour (being generous, which is more than his supporters are being).

At this rate, he will reach his target in about 13 years ?

This got community noted with:

GoFundMe does not allow campaigns for "the legal defense of alleged financial and violent crimes."

Since President Trump is accused of financial crimes, this campaign is in violation of GoFundMe's terms of service and any funds collected will not reach him.

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AcrossthePond55 · 17/02/2024 20:05

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/02/2024 11:55

What happens if Trump is forced to use 'donations' to pay the fines? I'm guessing he has a lot less cash than he claims.

There was something about that on MSNBC yesterday. I didn't catch the whole thing, but it sounds like as long as it's clear what the donation is for and as long as it doesn't come out of campaign donations, if people want to be idiots, that's up to them! But I have a feeling that the 'net worth' of his cult wouldn't add up to a drop in the bucket of $400M.

The commentators also said that they don't believe he has that much in 'liquid funds' so if the fine stands, he'll have to sell off property and businesses to pay it.

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SerendipityJane · 17/02/2024 19:12

I wonder how long this humiliation will be allowed to stand. What's this - about $4,000 an hour (being generous, which is more than his supporters are being).

At this rate, he will reach his target in about 13 years ?

Trump gets gagged, McCarthy gets booted. What's next in Trumpworld?

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2024 18:13

I think he is - as they said in "Snatch" - "Proper fucked".

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2024 17:42

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/02/2024 14:31

Thanks @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

I thought it was illegal for fines to be paid by political donations? Or doesn't the GFM fall under that description?

If Trump gets his way, the entire RNC will become his personal piggy bank, as he redefines it's raison d'etre to "getting Trump elected".

However, much like the genius of relying on non-voters that eventually doomed UKIP, Trumps building a base of the less affluent may now hinder his grifting.

Friend of the thread, Beau, made the point that these numbers are simply unimaginable. If the average MAGA voter (that can count) thinks they can raise at least $350,000,000 with a whip round, there could be some disappointment.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/02/2024 16:01

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/02/2024 14:31

Thanks @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

I thought it was illegal for fines to be paid by political donations? Or doesn't the GFM fall under that description?

I don't think GoFundMe is being political in this; it's specifically to pay his fine, not for political purposes. So it is likely to be OK. It's the loopiness of people on a $15 per hour wage paying money out of their pittances to help someone who claims to be worth $billions that rather freaks me out.

SinnerBoy · 17/02/2024 14:47

SerendipityJane · Today 14:36

I think it's criminal damagers that can't be paid by fundraising - although if it's not in the Constitution, that's another bunfight to have.

Hence he has to pay E Jean Caroll out of his own pocket, because it's damages awarded against him. I haven't hear anything either way, regarding the payment of a fine.

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2024 14:36

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/02/2024 14:31

Thanks @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

I thought it was illegal for fines to be paid by political donations? Or doesn't the GFM fall under that description?

I think it's criminal damagers that can't be paid by fundraising - although if it's not in the Constitution, that's another bunfight to have.

The UK has a weird notion of "public policy" which means you can't have insurance policies against drink driving (for example). They aren't illegal or unlawful per se, but no court would ever enforce them. I'd be surprised if the US judicial system doesn't have a similar notion.

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/02/2024 14:31

Thanks @AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

I thought it was illegal for fines to be paid by political donations? Or doesn't the GFM fall under that description?

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2024 14:17

Why does someone as rich as Trumps supporters claim they think he is (the claim is that they think at all, rather than what they think about) need a gofundme ?

Also, is it wise to use a platform that can easily look like "gofuckme" by only changing 2 letters ?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/02/2024 13:37

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/02/2024 11:55

What happens if Trump is forced to use 'donations' to pay the fines? I'm guessing he has a lot less cash than he claims.

They set up a GoFundMe, of course!

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporters-start-gofundme-page-355m-fine-1870880

The GoFundMe for the Wall raised $18 million, I think. But I don't think that got spent on building a wall. Maybe this one won't get spent on Trump.

What always beats me is that these nitwits (or possibly sharp cookies with an eye to the main chance) always claim ordinary people must defend Trump because he defends them: in what way do they think he does that? "it's a clarion call to all patriots to rally in defense of a man who has never hesitated to stand in defense of us" is such grade A, 22-carat bullshit!

Donald Trump GoFundMe Lawsuit Fine Fraud MAGA

Trump supporters start GoFundMe page for $355M fine

The page urges "patriots" to "show our collective strength and resolve" by paying the billionaire ex-president's large fine.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-supporters-start-gofundme-page-355m-fine-1870880

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 17/02/2024 13:29

AcrossthePond55 · 17/02/2024 01:26

Another day that's ending with a smile.

Fani Willis kicked ass yesterday in her testimony. I don't think I'd have appointed a former lover based on the optics alone on a case this big, but from what the legal commentators are saying it sounds like it wasn't illegal or unethical. Just another stall tactic from Team Trump as far as I'm concerned.

It sounds quite a lot as if many of the people she might have chosen simply wouldn't do it because of the risk of violence from Trump's cultists.

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/02/2024 11:55

What happens if Trump is forced to use 'donations' to pay the fines? I'm guessing he has a lot less cash than he claims.

DuncinToffee · 17/02/2024 11:13

Oof

Big clarification on the Trump fine from @NBCNews:

The judgment was $354.9 million, but there's been $98.6 million of pre-judgment interest, meaning the actual total Trump alone owes is $453.5 million.

SerendipityJane · 17/02/2024 09:02

AcrossthePond55 · 17/02/2024 01:26

Another day that's ending with a smile.

Fani Willis kicked ass yesterday in her testimony. I don't think I'd have appointed a former lover based on the optics alone on a case this big, but from what the legal commentators are saying it sounds like it wasn't illegal or unethical. Just another stall tactic from Team Trump as far as I'm concerned.

At very worst it means a new prosecutor gets appointed.

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AcrossthePond55 · 17/02/2024 01:26

Another day that's ending with a smile.

Fani Willis kicked ass yesterday in her testimony. I don't think I'd have appointed a former lover based on the optics alone on a case this big, but from what the legal commentators are saying it sounds like it wasn't illegal or unethical. Just another stall tactic from Team Trump as far as I'm concerned.

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Eyesopenwideawake · 16/02/2024 22:25

Great result. Hopefully the first of many.

DuncinToffee · 16/02/2024 21:00

The Judge also has extended for three years the appointment of an independent monitor who will constantly observe the Trump Organization, looking for fraud.

No idea re appeal but I read that he will have to pay a $350m deposit

MsMaturio · 16/02/2024 20:44

How long will the inevitable appeals process take, do we think?

DuncinToffee · 16/02/2024 20:42

The Trumpkins are also banned from doing business in NY state for 2 years.

DuncinToffee · 16/02/2024 20:19

Judge Arthur Engoron has ordered former President Donald Trump and his companies to pay nearly $355 million.

Donald Trump’s adult sons, Don Jr. and Eric, were ordered to pay $4 million each after Judge Arthur Engoron found them liable for multiple fraud counts.

Judge Arthur Engoron has barred former President Donald Trump from serving as an officer or director of any New York corporation or other legal entity in New York for a period of three years

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AcrossthePond55 · 15/02/2024 23:02

DuncinToffee · 15/02/2024 22:25

DOJ has charged the informant who provided derogatory informaton about Hunter and Joe Biden with "false statements" and obstruction.

https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1758240350559240321?s=20

"As alleged in the indictment, the events that Smirnov first reported to the FBI Agent in June 2020 were fabrications."

Well, why am I not surprised. Follow the money trail and it'll probably lead right back to Putin and Trump.

Do I think the GOP will say "Oops, we bad" and drop the Biden impeachment investigation? Not on your tintype. They'll try to give it some sort of spin. Like the crooked FBI or whatever.

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DuncinToffee · 15/02/2024 22:25

DOJ has charged the informant who provided derogatory informaton about Hunter and Joe Biden with "false statements" and obstruction.

https://x.com/kyledcheney/status/1758240350559240321?s=20

"As alleged in the indictment, the events that Smirnov first reported to the FBI Agent in June 2020 were fabrications."

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AcrossthePond55 · 15/02/2024 20:44

Some of the pundits are opining that Trump & Putin are in cahoots with the Biden 'endorsement'. It's supposed to scare the shit out of the Cult and the undecideds that Putin is saying this because Biden is 'weak' so they better vote for big strong Trump to keep Putin from marching into the US and taking us over.

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