Not to give my child Flu jab

They do die and they can also become very unwell.

FFS, it's a nasal spray with a teeny bit of flu virus to build up a bit of resistance.

Children can be really poorly with the flu. Why wouldn't you want to avoid that?!

Nope. Why would I? Healthy kids don't die of flu.

Have you read the information sheet for Calpol?

There have NOT been "many vaccine injuries ignored by the MSM"

That's conspiracy theory bollocks, and if you allow it to influence you then you're a fool.

Read some history about what things were like before mass vaccination. Summary: it involved a lot of people dying before their time.

Our kids had the nasal spray. Myself and DH had the jab.
We had flu a few years ago and it was nothing short of horrendous. Floored for 3 weeks and then a couple of weeks to get back up to full speed. I'm all for the flu vaccine.

why would you not?

That's awful! It's just walk in at any pharmacy near us Sad that there's such regional differences

Still waiting for an available appointment. Have tried multiple locations but they either haven't got them (and don't have the shingles one either) or they only offer appointments for an hour and a half or so when I'm at work.

Don't these vunerable grandparents and sick people not get the flu Jag to protect themselves?

Not that new, I think DS has had it every year at school and he's 13.

It’s a simple and straightforward vaccine given in a manner that’s not upsetting to the child. No I would not decline it.

Its more of a puzzle that we don’t roll this out to all kids at school and more of the adult population

@HongKongGarden I know you’re only responding to the PP who wrote about informed consent. But legally people can decline anything medical they don’t want for any reason. Whether their consent is informed or not. They could be told the risks and benefits of something with their fingers in their ears and still decline it.

I think it’s something we forget sometimes with all the talk of informed consent. Informed consent is something medical professionals should obtain before they do anything to us or for us, it doesn’t necessarily work both ways in terms of declining treatment.

It’s not tenable to claim that not vaccinating a child (who doesn’t have known or suspected issues with the vaccine) against flu comes as a result of informed consent.

It comes as a result of reading something on Facebook rather than doing even the most basic research into the actual data.

Post hoc ergo proper hoc…

I missed my flu jab last year (kept putting it off because I was busy with XYZ), ended up absolutely floored with flu for three weeks and felt like I could happily just curl up and die. Spent one of those weeks with a temperature of 40.5 degrees that no amount of paracetamol/ibuprofen would bring down. Please don’t put your little one at risk of that! Flu kills.

You didn’t want to lessen the impact of flu?

My son didn't have it at school today. No need. My choice.

No you're not unreasonable to make informed choices for your family's health

@Mummyoflittledragon but that's not what the other poster said.

That's terrible for you. And your child. And you have clearly worked closely and taken medical advice.

But they said I'm not doing it because a friends child was distressed, and a toddler.

It's the entire I'm not doing something because a man at the bus stop told me not to thing.

It comes from SARI surveillance system which tests for both flu and covid and probably other respiratory infections too. Basically standard winter testing but now with covid added too I think. Routine testing on admission doesn’t really happen now. Pretty sure it stopped before last winter. That being said it doesn’t necessarily follow that covid was a primary diagnosis it could have been either a contributing factor or incidental.

That being said, incidental covid infection with broken arms doesn’t really account for the huge discrepancy between rates in 5-14 year olds who have the lowest rates of covid admissions and 0-4 year olds who have one of the highest. The discrepancy between those is bigger if you only take into account HDU/ICU admissions.

At the risk of also being that person, if covid is like flu, then this is exactly the admissions pattern you’d expect. Younger children being higher risk than older ones.

At the risk of being that person, are they going in with or as a result of COVID? Because nobody is testing kids admitted with a broken arm of flu.

It will help protect the elderly but that’s not the only or main reason.

>10,000 children were hospitalised with flu last year in the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/annual-childrens-flu-vaccination-programme-gets-underway#:~:text=Flu%20rebounded%20last%20winter%20after,winter%20due%20to%20the%20infection.

Under 5s also have pretty high rates of admission for covid relative to other age groups. I think they have the highest rates of admission after the over 55s.

So, if you go back before the mass flu immunisations of school children at school - I'm picking out 2009 - which was significant to me because it tanked my 6 mo and we stayed in hospital for a week with him:

That year 19% of hospital admissions were 0-4 yo, 8% were 5-14yo, 13% were 15-24 yo. The number of people 65yo+ totalled 14%.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/hec.3834

Obviously this looks totally different to who we expect to see in hospital with COVID.

I'm not making any bold claims about being an expert on this stuff but I think it's easy to be complacent about it, compared to COVID it has become 'just' the flu but for children it can be a real pisser.