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Do you agree with homework in Primary

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Toastiesforever · 28/09/2023 13:03

I disagree with homework in primary school and quite frankly im amazed its still handed out and expected.

I have 3 DC in primary school and we have never done homework, my theory is that my children have enough education in school and as parents we should educate outside of school however we see fit.

For us this includes them reading books, Harry potter, Jacqueline Wilson, david Williams etc - we are lucky that my children love reading.

They will always participate in school talks/presentations and projects.

All my children are involved within the school Litter picking committees, School newspaper, music lessons within school.

And furthermore they are in competitive level sports outwith school which require substantial training hours.

Local days out like airshows, community days and city celebrations.

Ive noticed that most teachers my Dcs have had through the years really agree that homework is not required in primary yet we have this year we have came up against a teacher that says its required for my oldest DC.

I still said no, am i being unreasonable.

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reluctantbrit · 29/09/2023 12:46

Toastiesforever · 29/09/2023 09:43

I know this is defo part of the issue for us.

DH works from home and picks the kids up from school but the second they get home its snack, changed and off to sport.
DCs train 4.30-8.30pm, dinner, (sometimes shower) and bed when they come in so maybe 9.30pm before they are down and me and DH actually sit.

But your right we could do it on friday nights or at the weekend but then i worry where is the kids downtime.

I also think i work full time, then coming home and adding to that work would just be awful for me so that aspect bothers me about homework also at their age.

You need to change your way before secondary otherwise you will run into issues as homework is mandatory and will cause detentions.

I can't imagine your kids can't spare 30 minutes to do a worksheet, practice timetables or read for an upcoming topic.

DD was at a childminder 4 out of 5 days until 5.30pm, she had 3 activities under the week plus weekend ones.
She still managed to get her homework done.

It is amazing how much spelling and timetables you can squeeze into a 30 minute car ride for example.

Toastiesforever · 29/09/2023 12:45

PollyPut · 29/09/2023 12:39

@Toastiesforever your children really can't find time at the weekend for a page or two of sums and some spellings? They are not at school for many of the weeks of the year (summer holidays, half terms, Christmas and Easter Break.

Maybe 30 weeks a year. If they are as good as you think they are, then maybe that's an hour a week to do the spellings and sums. 30 hours a year.

You really can't find that?

Yeah i can find it.....as stated in the post

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enchantedsquirrelwood · 29/09/2023 12:43

There's no need for homework at primary except learning tables and doing reading practice. That's it.

I'd go so far to say there's no need at secondary until the GCSE years start, too.

Apparently adults need work-life balance, but children do not.

PollyPut · 29/09/2023 12:39

Toastiesforever · 29/09/2023 09:43

I know this is defo part of the issue for us.

DH works from home and picks the kids up from school but the second they get home its snack, changed and off to sport.
DCs train 4.30-8.30pm, dinner, (sometimes shower) and bed when they come in so maybe 9.30pm before they are down and me and DH actually sit.

But your right we could do it on friday nights or at the weekend but then i worry where is the kids downtime.

I also think i work full time, then coming home and adding to that work would just be awful for me so that aspect bothers me about homework also at their age.

@Toastiesforever your children really can't find time at the weekend for a page or two of sums and some spellings? They are not at school for many of the weeks of the year (summer holidays, half terms, Christmas and Easter Break.

Maybe 30 weeks a year. If they are as good as you think they are, then maybe that's an hour a week to do the spellings and sums. 30 hours a year.

You really can't find that?

Nevermind31 · 29/09/2023 12:37

Depends what it is… my DC hate writing, and need to practice - for their handwriting, spelling, comprehension, stamina.
practicing maths is important- I can see that sometimes they did not get what happened in school, or they are not confident yet.
reading is important- you don’t get better at it unless you practice - and I don’t think school can deliver this level of practice.
same with timetables
art projects and posters are a complete waste of time. So is anything that requires “research”, as that is just the adult googling results - especially in Reception and Year 1.

Boomchuck · 29/09/2023 12:29

Perhaps I’m in the minority, but I don’t mind a bit of homework. I think the main benefit of homework (that I see in my kids, anyway) is that it teaches self-discipline and time management. My kids receive a packet of homework to complete each week, and they have to decide how to portion out their time in order to complete it by the following week. They are informed of exams a week or two in advance and are given study guides for revision, so they have to work out a study schedule for themselves depending on what they feel they need to study and how long they think that will take. They have learned to evaluate what is expected of them over the next week and to plan their time allocation accordingly. I think that’s a great life skill for primary age kids to learn.

The dark side of homework is that, as pointed out by others, it really can place kids who don’t have as many resources to complete assignments (time after school, quiet work space, parental help, etc) at a real disadvantage.

Bunnycat101 · 29/09/2023 11:21

“I'm not downgrading the importance of sport or music, far from it: these are hugely life enhancing things. But the idea that piano lessons or a rugby match come ahead of learning your times tables seems odd to me, particularly if spare time is so scant.”

I think it is a recognition that school can be very limited in terms of the types of learning. I do see piano as being just as important as so many state schools are so rubbish at music provision versus a prep. I would of course support learning of tables but try to do it as practice in the car or much more informally. Our school is pretty low on homework but gets amazing results. I also think time to play and relax is important as a thing in and of itself.

Parker231 · 29/09/2023 11:07

Thepeopleversuswork · 29/09/2023 10:34

I understand about the pressure to fit it all in but seriously... I work a 50+ hour week and I'm a lone parent.

Homework at primary is very unlikely to be more than at maximum half an hour a day. If it's not, you need to take it up with the school.

What I find slightly bizarre about many of these posts is that people seem to be taking as read that "chill out" time or clubs or music lessons take automatic priority over homework. These things are all important, sure, and people are busy and tired but the idea that homework is the last on a very long list of priorities is an odd assumption. It can't be unmanageable to find an hour or so a week for it if you're finding time for piano lessons?

In primary we didn’t consider homework important- they learnt what was needed during school hours. Sports and music classes were important at that age to get a good grasp of the basics. Both the DT’s didn’t music exams through to grade 8 and played competitive sports through to Uni.

Both got all A’s in GCSE and A levels so lack of doing any primary homework hasn’t hurt them but the time for other activities has been a huge benefit.

Mum2aTeen · 29/09/2023 11:03

Yes, I don't agree with it unless it's sort of revision.
My son has a medical/health autism plan at school (basically, we talk to his teachers, make goals, and what we don't know what him doing) and one thing on the plan has always been no homework.
My son is in high school now (grade 8) and still no homework his schools have been fine with that they are very understanding and either he misses the homework part altogether (as in doesn't do it at school) or may do a bit in school he has his own lesson plans too so it's not like he is doing the same thing as everyone in his class/year so they can't mark it against him he does his own work and they mark that.

Thepeopleversuswork · 29/09/2023 10:53

@MariaVT65

Of course, I entirely agree that it depends on the content and the volume.

But I still think the starting premise that homework is less important than clubs and extracurricular is an odd one.... there's a definite shift in emphasis here, in which parents seem to assume that academic work should be the least important element of their kids lives.

I'm not downgrading the importance of sport or music, far from it: these are hugely life enhancing things. But the idea that piano lessons or a rugby match come ahead of learning your times tables seems odd to me, particularly if spare time is so scant.

I just think its inconsistent with a society which is really equipping the next generation with the tools they need.

MariaVT65 · 29/09/2023 10:47

Thepeopleversuswork · 29/09/2023 10:34

I understand about the pressure to fit it all in but seriously... I work a 50+ hour week and I'm a lone parent.

Homework at primary is very unlikely to be more than at maximum half an hour a day. If it's not, you need to take it up with the school.

What I find slightly bizarre about many of these posts is that people seem to be taking as read that "chill out" time or clubs or music lessons take automatic priority over homework. These things are all important, sure, and people are busy and tired but the idea that homework is the last on a very long list of priorities is an odd assumption. It can't be unmanageable to find an hour or so a week for it if you're finding time for piano lessons?

Again I would think it depends on what the primary school homework is.

If it’s reading (which we’d do anyway) or some help with maths or spelling, then fine. If it’s some other crap like crafts or projects that involves me doing the majority of the work, then I think other things should definitely be prioritised.

Thepeopleversuswork · 29/09/2023 10:34

Bunnycat101 · 29/09/2023 10:21

There is a reality that the world has changed and many households don’t have someone at home. My children get picked up at 6 from wrap around. We have to fit in chill out time, dinner, bath bed, any activities. In infants I prioritised reading and that has built a good foundation but I’m currently prioritising piano practice for my y3 and reading for my reception child. May be the wrong choice but we can do one thing well in the evening. Homework is the weekend for us if it needs to happen. Mid week is just too hard to fit in.

I understand about the pressure to fit it all in but seriously... I work a 50+ hour week and I'm a lone parent.

Homework at primary is very unlikely to be more than at maximum half an hour a day. If it's not, you need to take it up with the school.

What I find slightly bizarre about many of these posts is that people seem to be taking as read that "chill out" time or clubs or music lessons take automatic priority over homework. These things are all important, sure, and people are busy and tired but the idea that homework is the last on a very long list of priorities is an odd assumption. It can't be unmanageable to find an hour or so a week for it if you're finding time for piano lessons?

Bunnycat101 · 29/09/2023 10:21

There is a reality that the world has changed and many households don’t have someone at home. My children get picked up at 6 from wrap around. We have to fit in chill out time, dinner, bath bed, any activities. In infants I prioritised reading and that has built a good foundation but I’m currently prioritising piano practice for my y3 and reading for my reception child. May be the wrong choice but we can do one thing well in the evening. Homework is the weekend for us if it needs to happen. Mid week is just too hard to fit in.

Toastiesforever · 29/09/2023 09:43

DanceMumTaxi · 29/09/2023 09:39

Competitive sport is great for building resilience and confidence. It doesn’t have to come at the expense of homework if you’re organised. Ds plays football, rugby and cricket so 3 different sports teams there with regular training and matches throughout the year. He also plays an instrument. Dd dances competitively, both troupe and solos plus singing. Dh and I both work in demanding jobs, but we’re organised and the kids always get their homework done on time. I agree about the stupid project type homework’s but reading, timetables and spellings are important.

I know this is defo part of the issue for us.

DH works from home and picks the kids up from school but the second they get home its snack, changed and off to sport.
DCs train 4.30-8.30pm, dinner, (sometimes shower) and bed when they come in so maybe 9.30pm before they are down and me and DH actually sit.

But your right we could do it on friday nights or at the weekend but then i worry where is the kids downtime.

I also think i work full time, then coming home and adding to that work would just be awful for me so that aspect bothers me about homework also at their age.

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avocadotofu · 29/09/2023 09:39

No. I think the only homework should be reading except possible in year 6 to prepare ti for secondary school.

DanceMumTaxi · 29/09/2023 09:39

Competitive sport is great for building resilience and confidence. It doesn’t have to come at the expense of homework if you’re organised. Ds plays football, rugby and cricket so 3 different sports teams there with regular training and matches throughout the year. He also plays an instrument. Dd dances competitively, both troupe and solos plus singing. Dh and I both work in demanding jobs, but we’re organised and the kids always get their homework done on time. I agree about the stupid project type homework’s but reading, timetables and spellings are important.

Toastiesforever · 29/09/2023 09:38

Thepeopleversuswork · 29/09/2023 09:29

@Toastiesforever

For example competing under pressure and learning that skill can also help with the pressured environment of exam taking or standing up in front of the class and presenting.

I don't disagree with that and for some kids competitive sport does build resilience and ambition (not to mention having health benefits).

But I think it's a stretch to argue that competitive sport should be a greater priority for a primary age child than basic homework.

For one thing only a relatively small handful of children will continue to excel at competitive sport beyond school. That's not a reason not to do it but for most kids in most circumstances doing well academically will have more benefits than doing loads of extra sport. If you are not good at sport and are pushed really hard to do it it can backfire horribly: I've seen this happen a lot.

A much greater proportion of children will get more overall benefit from applying themselves to a bit of basic education (spelling, arithmetic, reading comprehension) than they will from doing six hours a week of (for example) hockey.

Swings and roundabouts and some kids will get disproportionate benefit from sport. But to argue that competitive sport is overall of greater benefit homework is just the wrong emphasis.

Yeah i hear what your saying but i dont think their sport is more important than homework, more that i think if i weigh it up, they have their school hours, then their sport hours, then their family time.

So i suppose overall our family life, which includes all other aspects is more important than homework currently.

I know this will change, and our plan is to transition more our oldest DC into homework when they reach P7.

I suppose right now our family is sitting in a sweet spot, everything seems to be running smoothly and working well and we are really comfortable in our decisions at the moment.

Im not saying im totally right and everyone is wrong, im constantly trying to make the best decisions for my children in their education and general up bringing.

And i suppose the more ive thought about it the more ive realised that we do homework but not in the traditional sense, in the car we will play games and shout out sums, my husband has taught them their times tables to a point its natural to them whereas i never learned mine by memory but yes we dont really pay much attention to the traditional spelling and sums sheets given out.

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Thepeopleversuswork · 29/09/2023 09:29

@Toastiesforever

For example competing under pressure and learning that skill can also help with the pressured environment of exam taking or standing up in front of the class and presenting.

I don't disagree with that and for some kids competitive sport does build resilience and ambition (not to mention having health benefits).

But I think it's a stretch to argue that competitive sport should be a greater priority for a primary age child than basic homework.

For one thing only a relatively small handful of children will continue to excel at competitive sport beyond school. That's not a reason not to do it but for most kids in most circumstances doing well academically will have more benefits than doing loads of extra sport. If you are not good at sport and are pushed really hard to do it it can backfire horribly: I've seen this happen a lot.

A much greater proportion of children will get more overall benefit from applying themselves to a bit of basic education (spelling, arithmetic, reading comprehension) than they will from doing six hours a week of (for example) hockey.

Swings and roundabouts and some kids will get disproportionate benefit from sport. But to argue that competitive sport is overall of greater benefit homework is just the wrong emphasis.

Toastiesforever · 29/09/2023 09:15

Wolvesart · 28/09/2023 23:40

And furthermore they are in competitive level sports outwith school which require substantial training hours.

So am I reading this right? You prefer this to learning? You don’t see this as a pressure and taking time away from developing academic skills needed for secondary school?

No your not reading it right at all.

I see it all as a balance and one doesn't trump the other. I think they compliment one another.

For example competing under pressure and learning that skill can also help with the pressured environment of exam taking or standing up in front of the class and presenting.

Resilience and learning that they may not get it right first time but if they keep trying they will is something they learn in their sport, this can also come into play when they are studying, the resilience to keep going even when it feels tough.

These are a few examples of many how their competitive sports compliment their education.

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MothBat · 29/09/2023 09:10

Homework is reading, learning tables, maths games, spellings. Anything more is unnecessary.

Wolvesart · 29/09/2023 09:06

NumberTheory · 29/09/2023 01:27

Why do you think they won’t be learning anything in competitive sport? It can be excellent for developing a variety of skills that are useful in many areas of life (including academia).

More that if it’s heavily weighted toward that and means they can’t successfully complete set homework, it’s too much. Unless sport is very likely a career path or they are superlative at it.

Wolvesart · 29/09/2023 09:02

Thepeopleversuswork · 29/09/2023 08:09

I find this fashion for being very anti homework really silly and I think people have taken what was initially a sensible desire to protect their children from stress and taken it to ludicrous extremes.

When my DD was in primary pretty much all of the (mainly very middle class) parents were always railing against homework as being the devil's invention. It was a kind of dog whistle thing to say "oh we never do it", as if this was some badge of honour. I remember thinking "really? you've all benefited from learning a bit of self-discipline as kids and now you're basically encouraging your children to chuck that away in favour of 'creative play' or something".

Like anything else, it's all about moderation. A year 2 kid being set two hours of homework a night is of course ludicrous. As is being asked to make a PowerPoint or spend hours foraging for hard to find craft stuff. But it's a big jump from this to saying "I don't agree with homework". Half an hour of spellings or times tables a couple of times a week is absolutely fine in my view and is hardly going to traumatise them.

A lot of kids arrive in year 7 with literally no experience of homework whatsoever and find it a massive culture shock. Unless a child is SEND or has specific emotional difficulties I struggle to understand why getting into the habit of completing short tasks and returning them is going to do any serious damage.

I honestly think we need to woman up about this: our kids' education is already way behind many of our global peers. Why wouldn't you support them in learning a few habits early on which will make it easier when they need to really apply themselves?

Spot on 👍🏼

I’d also add that ‘topic’ homework like writing on the term topic and finding out stuff in an area of interest within it prepares them for secondary school. Yes, it does involve the parents but I never minded that.

I would certainly argue that more than 2 extra curricular week day classes is far more detrimental to them than some homework

Thepeopleversuswork · 29/09/2023 08:53

@BooseysMom

Yeah the badge of honour thing is very odd and I think it’s a sign of a decadent and pretty lost society when affluent people who have benefited from a high quality education themselves are actively encouraging their kids not to strive or apply themselves.

I can totally understand that families where there isn’t a background of parental engagement with education or where the parents have limited schooling would find it a more challenging concept but for university educated people in two parent families with no financial stress to tell their kids “homework isn’t important, let’s just enjoy (whatever it is)” is very short sighted.

If you want to do well in life, applying yourself at school is a massive advantage. It’s not the be all and end all and it shouldn’t take over a child’s life but there’s no dodging the fact that it’s important. Relying on your own generation’s cultural capital and espousing some vague notion that better mental health = doing as little as you can get away with is a recipe for breeding entitled and demotivated children.

This is how societies decline.

prescribingmum · 29/09/2023 08:45

bookworm14 · 29/09/2023 08:20

Excellent post, thepeopleversuswork.

Agree @Thepeopleversuswork you put it far more eloquently than I could

reluctantbrit · 29/09/2023 08:24

It totally depends.

I found HW in primary useful as it meant we spotted several issues with DD which the school failed to see as she was the perfect middle ability child and nobody realised that she was actually failing to keep up with some maths which would have caused severe issues later on.

In a class of 30 it's easy to get lost.

I hated the arts and craft homework she couldn't do without parental help.

In secondary it's often independent learning to prepare for the topic and learn to revise which is crucial for Y10/11 and later 6th form if they go.