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To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property

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ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 18:50

So rocked up a very large NT property with lots of parkland at about 9:25 today.

had gone through the payment control bit, then you drive for about another mile (no joke) to the car park. Just before the car park all traffic stopped in a traffic jam caused by two Park Run people in pink vests who would not let any cars through.

So I sat there and say there and sat there, not a single car moved through. I could see the runners approaching from the right, at times there were gaps in the runners but still no car was allowed through. After ten minutes still no car had been allowed to pass. Several cars behind me did a 20 point turn and left.

Then I realised that the runners weren’t even crossing the road as I’d originally assumed, they turned right and ran alongside the road edge, which has a massive Green verge they could run on . So in my mind no need to stop any car. Or if some risk assessment has deemed it too dangerous to have the cars beside the runners then it means there’s no access to the car park for about 45 mins, in which case the NT property needs to open later!

the runners were all strung out, no big wide bunch/crowd, so single file or in pairs.

anyway I honked at this point. One pink vest guy had obviously been waiting for this moment and charged up, ran past me and bollocked the car behind me who was mid 20 point turn and leaving. That driver grassed me up so the park run guy came and condescendingly told me “when there’s a gap” we will let a car through. I said it was ridiculous, that there had been plenty of gaps, nobody had been allowed through and the runners weren’t even on the road!

At which point he told me if I didn’t like it I could leave!

then the other marshal let some of us through, even though there were still runners running alongside the verge the same as there had been for the last ten minutes! I think they were letting cars through in groups of 5 or 6 as some had gone through just before I got stopped. Again when there were runners there! So nothing to do with gaps!

diagram for an idea.

I do feel like emailing the NT and telling them they need to have an NT person there overseeing it, and preventing the Parkrun people been rude to other users.

I may be slightly anti park run after my (on lead, walking to heel) dog was trampled on and tripped over by several park runners on the inaugural run of my local new park run on a narrow public bridleway and they shouted at me for been there with a dog (even though I’d stepped into the mud at the side). Still not forgiven them for that.

To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property
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LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 13:29

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 12:55

The park run director also mentioned another car park I could have used which he is adamant I would have driven past and that it was signed. He posted this photo. Firstly I never saw this sign but there are at least two pay points into Clumber and I suspect I used the other one so am not sure I went past this sign (still no idea where that picture was taken).

Even if I had - would one not think that was a car park for people doing the park run? Silly little me for following the NT signs saying main visitor carpark.
If I saw that sign I'd actively avoid parking there.

I am going to say that is just after the cream gates and pay point (themselves just after the crossroads heading towards the main central area/Chapel etc), and towards the Cricket Ground on the left. See attached. Other than that, it is after/alongside the Cricket Ground itself - but is anyway before the big field car park...
But I may be wrong altogether.
The friend who would know for sure is at work, so can't ask him...

To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property
GoingToBeLessRubbishAtLife · 25/09/2023 13:27

If I drove past that sign I would not park there. Parkrun parking is surely for parking for the parkrun.

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 12:55

The park run director also mentioned another car park I could have used which he is adamant I would have driven past and that it was signed. He posted this photo. Firstly I never saw this sign but there are at least two pay points into Clumber and I suspect I used the other one so am not sure I went past this sign (still no idea where that picture was taken).

Even if I had - would one not think that was a car park for people doing the park run? Silly little me for following the NT signs saying main visitor carpark.
If I saw that sign I'd actively avoid parking there.

To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property
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MasterBeth · 25/09/2023 12:50

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 12:28

Why does anuine do things they enjoy with other people who enjoy the same thing?

Do we all have to do things in small groups?

Of course not.

But it's good to be mindful how a big group of people getting together can inconvenience the even bigger group of people not involved in your activity.

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 12:33

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VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 12:28

MasterBeth · 25/09/2023 11:12

To annoy the rest of us.

Why does anuine do things they enjoy with other people who enjoy the same thing?

Do we all have to do things in small groups?

CakesOnAPlane · 25/09/2023 12:23

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LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 12:16

For Information - the Worksop Marathon - or Half - I can't remember which - is coming up - and goes through Clumber! And it's longer than a Parkrun. (Obviously)

(But there will signs I believe.)

LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 12:10

MasterBeth · 25/09/2023 09:47

Again, extraordinary arrogance from the park runners who think everyone should be aware of their events, their timings and their duration and need to change their lives for the sake of the park runners, rather than think about how they might be less of a nuisance to the rest of us.

I agree. And my best mate does Parkruns (fastest male many times) - but prefers others to Clumber, for some of the reasons on here.
And my sister lives in the Park, right near what is now the man/biggest car park.
My mother lived in one of the Cricket Ground cottages; she would have hated this carry on. Even though she worked for the Trust, she longed for the evenings when things quietened down - and that was before Parkrun was even a twinkle in anybody's eye!

Alstroemeria123 · 25/09/2023 12:05

MasterBeth · 25/09/2023 11:38

Actually, over 1100 words!

Yes, very important to be accurate about that otherwise he will come back and correct you

LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 12:05

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 06:55

Yes, such a shame the bridge didn’t reopen after the vandalism. I have fond memories of parking up the far side of my bridge with my boys when they were young. I assume there’s no way of driving that side of the lake now?

None at all, as I understand it. Any lodges over there are accessed from the outside by barrier gates.
There are still tracks that lead onto that side from the road alongside what was the Clumber Hotel, so Normanton "entrance", and people do park in the laybys that the entrances have become.
I miss the "old" Clumber - even if that makes me a stick in the mud.

MasterBeth · 25/09/2023 11:38

IhearyouClemFandango · 25/09/2023 11:36

Indeed! Why use 5 words when 500 condescending ones will do. How joyful.

Actually, over 1100 words!

Talltall · 25/09/2023 11:37

@ParkRunIdiots

i agree . This is ridiculous.
Park run seems to think they run the place.

My personal hate are cyclists in park who don’t think the speed limit applies to them!

IhearyouClemFandango · 25/09/2023 11:36

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 24/09/2023 16:41

A Man has arrived. A Very Important Parkrun Man. That's the OP telt!

Indeed! Why use 5 words when 500 condescending ones will do. How joyful.

Passepartoute · 25/09/2023 11:24

ChicoryDip · 25/09/2023 10:54

But in this case it's not inconveniencing hundreds of people. It's a small section of road/track that is closed to cars for around 30 minutes to ensure the safety of the park runners/walkers.

Other NT park users - walkers, joggers, cyclists etc. are still able to use the road. There are other car parks so the car users don't have to wait if they prefer not to.

From the plans, it doesn't look as if there is any car park they can use that would avoid being delayed by the park run, apart from the accessible one which self-evidently isn't available to everyone.

bluegreygreen · 25/09/2023 11:24

Parkrun is a great concept, but it shouldn't be so disruptive to other people accessing the park.

I do think you should contact N Trust and Parkrun (though clearly not the run director above). It sounds like it wouldn't be too difficult to adjust things so that everyone can benefit from the oark.

Festivemoose · 25/09/2023 11:23

Harrysarseinthedogbowl · 25/09/2023 11:10

Why do runners need to run in packs?

Company
Safety
Sense of community
Enjoyment
Spend time outdoors with friends
Camaraderie
Support
Competition

I like to run in a “pack” because I was once sexually assaulted when running alone. Parkrun is a safe and inclusive place for me to run. Is that a good enough explanation for you?

Passepartoute · 25/09/2023 11:22

BitOutOfPractice · 25/09/2023 09:52

One person delays their walk for 10 minutes v 100s of people doing their predictable activity. It's not exactly asking anyone to donate a fucking kidney is it?

How is it predictable to the general public visiting a NT venue that a park run will be taking place there at the time they choose to visit?

You are of course being somewhat disingenuous claiming it was one person being delayed. You know perfectly well that it was more than that.

Why does it have to be one vs the other? Why can the 100s not divert their route somewhere in the very large park so that they don't delay anyone? Why can't they adhere to the basic principle on which Park Runs are organised, i.e. that they do not inconvenience other people using the area in question?

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 11:15

MetaMette · 25/09/2023 11:04

Unless you know, all signage and maps now indicate that what was once the main car park is accessible parking only. They should have someone at the junction directing people to that car park if they're going to block access to the central bark and cow pastures car parks

Absolutely. If this was the set up there would be no problems. I now know (thanks to MN) that I can go through the cones and use the accessible parking. But no thanks to the NT who have misleading signs, coned off the road and no staff directing cars away from the park run. I'd be very happy to have been directed away from the park run.

And while I now know, people who don't use Clumber regularly are likely to have the same experience I did and this will happen on a weekly basis.

Or it could be organised better and everyone is happy.?

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MasterBeth · 25/09/2023 11:12

To annoy the rest of us.

Harrysarseinthedogbowl · 25/09/2023 11:10

Why do runners need to run in packs?

MetaMette · 25/09/2023 11:09

Love the fact that park run encourage use of public transport to attend then state that the nearest bus stop is 2.5 miles from the start.

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/09/2023 11:07

madamreign · 23/09/2023 19:25

You were sat in your heated car, with a padded seat and a radio for company at least. Presumably you were not in a rush to get to work or anything.

YABU”

You let your car idle with the heating on when you’re parked, Madamreign? YAVU.

MasterBeth · 25/09/2023 11:06

ChicoryDip · 25/09/2023 10:54

But in this case it's not inconveniencing hundreds of people. It's a small section of road/track that is closed to cars for around 30 minutes to ensure the safety of the park runners/walkers.

Other NT park users - walkers, joggers, cyclists etc. are still able to use the road. There are other car parks so the car users don't have to wait if they prefer not to.

Again, you don't seem to want to acknowledge what actually happened. The OP and many other cars were held in a queue. It was not communicated to them that there were other car parks they could use. Presumably this exact same thing happens every week so, yes, it will be inconveniencing hundreds of people.

Conkersinautumn · 25/09/2023 11:06

Parkrun by us leave a shit load of litter and block wheelchair access, park all over the verges as the car park seems too small for their oh so healthy "local" selves. Sounds entirely in keeping with these asbo types I've encountered.