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To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property

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ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 18:50

So rocked up a very large NT property with lots of parkland at about 9:25 today.

had gone through the payment control bit, then you drive for about another mile (no joke) to the car park. Just before the car park all traffic stopped in a traffic jam caused by two Park Run people in pink vests who would not let any cars through.

So I sat there and say there and sat there, not a single car moved through. I could see the runners approaching from the right, at times there were gaps in the runners but still no car was allowed through. After ten minutes still no car had been allowed to pass. Several cars behind me did a 20 point turn and left.

Then I realised that the runners weren’t even crossing the road as I’d originally assumed, they turned right and ran alongside the road edge, which has a massive Green verge they could run on . So in my mind no need to stop any car. Or if some risk assessment has deemed it too dangerous to have the cars beside the runners then it means there’s no access to the car park for about 45 mins, in which case the NT property needs to open later!

the runners were all strung out, no big wide bunch/crowd, so single file or in pairs.

anyway I honked at this point. One pink vest guy had obviously been waiting for this moment and charged up, ran past me and bollocked the car behind me who was mid 20 point turn and leaving. That driver grassed me up so the park run guy came and condescendingly told me “when there’s a gap” we will let a car through. I said it was ridiculous, that there had been plenty of gaps, nobody had been allowed through and the runners weren’t even on the road!

At which point he told me if I didn’t like it I could leave!

then the other marshal let some of us through, even though there were still runners running alongside the verge the same as there had been for the last ten minutes! I think they were letting cars through in groups of 5 or 6 as some had gone through just before I got stopped. Again when there were runners there! So nothing to do with gaps!

diagram for an idea.

I do feel like emailing the NT and telling them they need to have an NT person there overseeing it, and preventing the Parkrun people been rude to other users.

I may be slightly anti park run after my (on lead, walking to heel) dog was trampled on and tripped over by several park runners on the inaugural run of my local new park run on a narrow public bridleway and they shouted at me for been there with a dog (even though I’d stepped into the mud at the side). Still not forgiven them for that.

To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property
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HermioneKipper · 25/09/2023 18:23

Alstroemeria123 · 25/09/2023 18:21

So anyone who needs to do anything on a Saturday morning should work around an optional leisure activity?

School run parents annoy me too, but at least they’re facilitating compulsory education.

And at a national trust site that the OP had paid to get into. (And crucially the parkrunners had not!)

The cheek of these types.

Alstroemeria123 · 25/09/2023 18:21

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 18:17

Sorry but…Isn’t it kind of obvious that there will be lots of runners and people at a parkrun site at 8.30-9,30ish?? Surely you can just go there around that time. This is like trying to park outside a school at 8.45 and complaining about all the parents in the way 🤷🏻‍♀️

So anyone who needs to do anything on a Saturday morning should work around an optional leisure activity?

School run parents annoy me too, but at least they’re facilitating compulsory education.

MartinChuzzlewit · 25/09/2023 18:18

madamreign · 23/09/2023 19:25

You were sat in your heated car, with a padded seat and a radio for company at least. Presumably you were not in a rush to get to work or anything.

YABU

And dogs should be on leads on foot paths.

I didn’t realise parkrun was only for people held at gunpoint. I thought running in the cold through a park was entirely voluntary

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 18:17

Sorry but…Isn’t it kind of obvious that there will be lots of runners and people at a parkrun site at 8.30-9,30ish?? Surely you can just go there around that time. This is like trying to park outside a school at 8.45 and complaining about all the parents in the way 🤷🏻‍♀️

Hummingbird89 · 25/09/2023 18:14

OP YANBU. They sound entitled and a pain in the arse. I would have been annoyed too.

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 18:13

Passepartoute · 25/09/2023 18:02

Looks like the Parkrun PR people have found out about @Manners23's booboo and got him to withdraw the post.

Hmm, so MrManners was quite happy to come and mansplian to @ParkRunIdiots but not so keen when the women called him out on his pomposity

Shame he was allowed to have it deleted, an apology would have been a better course of action imo

Passepartoute · 25/09/2023 18:06

I see that they tell parkrunners to park in their designated area. So I suspect the photo that @Manners23 produced was indeed the car park just for them, not the one for the general public.

Also the photo of runners on their website does suggest that it would be difficult to get past them unless they are properly marshalled.

Passepartoute · 25/09/2023 18:02

Looks like the Parkrun PR people have found out about @Manners23's booboo and got him to withdraw the post.

CakesOnAPlane · 25/09/2023 17:42

I've come across 'Mr Manners' type before. He confuses winning an argument with winning support. Big mistake. Particularly when representing a large organisation in a public arena.

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 17:29

LilyMumsnet · 25/09/2023 17:21

Hi all

Please can we avoid naming people - if it continues, we will need to delete the thread.

Sorry, I was just referring to his username. I’ve no idea what his actual name is

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LilyMumsnet · 25/09/2023 17:21

Hi all

Please can we avoid naming people - if it continues, we will need to delete the thread.

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 16:32

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mydogspooeybum · 25/09/2023 14:57

Not the point of the thread, but I boycotted Parkrun 7 years ago when a runner/organiser told my then 10 year old off and made him cry, for "weaving" between runners. To say I lost my shit with him is an understatement. It put DS off from running there again.

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 25/09/2023 14:46

Binglebong · 24/09/2023 21:57

I'm completely unsurprised that this is Clumber. I rarely walk there now as I feel less and less welcome. They've also stopped most parking on Limetree Avenue and if you want to walk on the side without the gardens that's where you need to be - the public car parks are so far from the edges that it takes forever to reach the far side walking. They have effectively blocked off a lot of the park to their less able visitors with this decision. The other concern also being that the car parks aren't open all the time so that prevents you going there too!

If you do write to NT and Patkrun please make sure you include the directors post. You can certainly see where the marshalls's attitude comes from.

They are indeed very unwelcome. My DH was cycling there on a public right of way, he got chatting to a NT person on the site and mentioned that he was scoping out a route to do with our horse. They told him that we couldn't bring a horse on site without an annual pass. This is completely wrong, they can charge to access the estate but not to use the public bridleway, luckily I know this but what a way to discourage people from healthy outdoor activity.

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 14:14

LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 14:01

It looks as though it is - so I fail to see why the Marshall was preventing access to the Main car park..., which is straight on down towards the Chapel, and not even really on the route.

The Marshall wasn’t stopping anyone. There were green and white cones across the road though, with a small gap that you could get through but a sign saying “accessible parking”. So very much an impression that you shouldn’t go through unless (in my mind) you had a blue badge.

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LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 14:01

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 13:44

@LighthouseTheme if it’s after/alongside the cricket ground then you probably couldn’t get to it without been stopped in the traffic jam anyway.

It looks as though it is - so I fail to see why the Marshall was preventing access to the Main car park..., which is straight on down towards the Chapel, and not even really on the route.

LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 13:59

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=14V821CwoJdrHl8gr7mQf5TJsR9c&femb=1&ll=53.268624609894964%2C-1.0578649999999978&z=16

This might help visualise - and is better than my diagram!
There were 307 participants this week. I know I would hate to get snarled up with them, or the cars!

(Also a few years ago, I would load my horse onto his lorry and park just over the other side of the Cricket Ground - near a place called The Clump I think, and we would ride right through those same woods and alongside the lake arm.. We would be early on a Sunday morning and have very very few encounters; and those we did were lovely. But times have very much changed now.)

Clumber Park parkrun – Google My Maps

Clumber Park parkrun

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?femb=1&ll=53.268624609894964%2C-1.0578649999999978&mid=14V821CwoJdrHl8gr7mQf5TJsR9c&z=16

MasterBeth · 25/09/2023 13:54

This crowd builds from around 8.30 to block this path, then sets off through the park, completely oblivious to any pensioners, dog walkers or cyclists.

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ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 13:46

I haven’t seen anyone mention about barging pensioners out of the way or people throwing themselves into bushes? 🧐🤷‍♀️

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ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 13:44

@LighthouseTheme if it’s after/alongside the cricket ground then you probably couldn’t get to it without been stopped in the traffic jam anyway.

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TigerRag · 25/09/2023 13:44

Insertdeadcatsnamehere · 25/09/2023 13:39

Fucking hell this is mental! It's an hour a week! And barging pensioners out of the way, people having to throw themselves into bushes lest they get trampled! Where are all these parkruns that sound like medieval football matches?! I'm starting to worry that ours is unusually sedate. It's been months since I squashed a dog, must try harder. (Joking about this bit before you come at me with your sanctimonious outrage...)

I've done 80 odd different ones and never had this! I did one a few weeks ago on a cycle network track thing. We were told there'd be walkers and people with dogs. But I don't remember anyone having to throw themselves into bushes.

Insertdeadcatsnamehere · 25/09/2023 13:39

Fucking hell this is mental! It's an hour a week! And barging pensioners out of the way, people having to throw themselves into bushes lest they get trampled! Where are all these parkruns that sound like medieval football matches?! I'm starting to worry that ours is unusually sedate. It's been months since I squashed a dog, must try harder. (Joking about this bit before you come at me with your sanctimonious outrage...)

LighthouseTheme · 25/09/2023 13:37

Oh wait. I have just looked at their webpage, and am by and large, correct; it seems that start and finish is at the Bark Café.
Interestingly, this is a quote from the webpage -

"Please remember that the parkrun uses shared paths. For the continued success of the event, please give way to other park users. This won't hurt your time, it won't stop you from getting a PB and it will make sure everyone continues to enjoy the event."

Maybe a little Refresher training is in order....😉

CakesOnAPlane · 25/09/2023 13:36

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Nor in law I suspect. Despite his courtroom style and bold assertion that a driver 'would be liable' if a runner stumbled into the path of a car or was hit by a stone thrown up by a tyre. Not so. No pun intended but perhaps Mr Manners should 'stay in his lane' as they say.

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