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To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property

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ParkRunIdiots · 23/09/2023 18:50

So rocked up a very large NT property with lots of parkland at about 9:25 today.

had gone through the payment control bit, then you drive for about another mile (no joke) to the car park. Just before the car park all traffic stopped in a traffic jam caused by two Park Run people in pink vests who would not let any cars through.

So I sat there and say there and sat there, not a single car moved through. I could see the runners approaching from the right, at times there were gaps in the runners but still no car was allowed through. After ten minutes still no car had been allowed to pass. Several cars behind me did a 20 point turn and left.

Then I realised that the runners weren’t even crossing the road as I’d originally assumed, they turned right and ran alongside the road edge, which has a massive Green verge they could run on . So in my mind no need to stop any car. Or if some risk assessment has deemed it too dangerous to have the cars beside the runners then it means there’s no access to the car park for about 45 mins, in which case the NT property needs to open later!

the runners were all strung out, no big wide bunch/crowd, so single file or in pairs.

anyway I honked at this point. One pink vest guy had obviously been waiting for this moment and charged up, ran past me and bollocked the car behind me who was mid 20 point turn and leaving. That driver grassed me up so the park run guy came and condescendingly told me “when there’s a gap” we will let a car through. I said it was ridiculous, that there had been plenty of gaps, nobody had been allowed through and the runners weren’t even on the road!

At which point he told me if I didn’t like it I could leave!

then the other marshal let some of us through, even though there were still runners running alongside the verge the same as there had been for the last ten minutes! I think they were letting cars through in groups of 5 or 6 as some had gone through just before I got stopped. Again when there were runners there! So nothing to do with gaps!

diagram for an idea.

I do feel like emailing the NT and telling them they need to have an NT person there overseeing it, and preventing the Parkrun people been rude to other users.

I may be slightly anti park run after my (on lead, walking to heel) dog was trampled on and tripped over by several park runners on the inaugural run of my local new park run on a narrow public bridleway and they shouted at me for been there with a dog (even though I’d stepped into the mud at the side). Still not forgiven them for that.

To think the National Trust should not let Park Run volunteers marshal the cars at a NT property
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Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 19:08

Alstroemeria123 · 25/09/2023 19:06

Gardeners? Farmers? Other people who work in the garden or park?

And it’s not just that park that the parkrun takes over - our local one used to (don’t know if it still does) obstruct the main pedestrian route from a large housing estate to the station. Plenty of people might be wanting to use that route to get to work.

I think the gardeners are well aware when parkrun is at the site they work in!🤣

Nothing wrong with using a pedestrian route, the pedestrians can safely cross. You just can’t drive your car into tens of joggers. Sorry 🤷🏻‍♀️

It’s one hour one morning a week. It’s free and it’s a safe, organised activity for adults and children to get some exercise.

Jeez

TigerRag · 25/09/2023 19:08

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 19:03

i did not know it was a park run site.

plus I work 5 days a week, volunteer on a Sunday so Saturday is my only leisure day. But no, guess I should avoid the big local park which I pay about £70 a year to access.

Is the park really that small you can't park in another car park and enter through another entrance away from parkrunners?

I've never been to a parkrun (juniors and Saturdays) where the park is that small

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 19:07

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 19:03

i did not know it was a park run site.

plus I work 5 days a week, volunteer on a Sunday so Saturday is my only leisure day. But no, guess I should avoid the big local park which I pay about £70 a year to access.

Ok so now you know for next time.
The NT site doesn’t have it on their website at all?
Most people work weekdays and relax on Saturdays you’re not special. It’s baffling that you’re cross you had to wait to access a car park rather than drive your car through pedestrians crossing a road. During your leisure time.

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 19:06

Alstroemeria123 · 25/09/2023 19:01

No, but I don’t need to go swimming.

If someone needs to get to work, should they have to get there an hour early because of people wanting to go jogging?

How many jobs are there that might involve being held up in your car at a parkrun site

I'm guessing fingers and toes might be enough to count them on

Alstroemeria123 · 25/09/2023 19:06

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 19:04

The OP wasn’t going to work.

Who is going to work in a field, gardens or park on a Saturday morning? Apart from Yogi bear.

Gardeners? Farmers? Other people who work in the garden or park?

And it’s not just that park that the parkrun takes over - our local one used to (don’t know if it still does) obstruct the main pedestrian route from a large housing estate to the station. Plenty of people might be wanting to use that route to get to work.

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 19:04

Alstroemeria123 · 25/09/2023 19:01

No, but I don’t need to go swimming.

If someone needs to get to work, should they have to get there an hour early because of people wanting to go jogging?

The OP wasn’t going to work.

Who is going to work in a field, gardens or park on a Saturday morning? Apart from Yogi bear.

ParkRunIdiots · 25/09/2023 19:03

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 18:17

Sorry but…Isn’t it kind of obvious that there will be lots of runners and people at a parkrun site at 8.30-9,30ish?? Surely you can just go there around that time. This is like trying to park outside a school at 8.45 and complaining about all the parents in the way 🤷🏻‍♀️

i did not know it was a park run site.

plus I work 5 days a week, volunteer on a Sunday so Saturday is my only leisure day. But no, guess I should avoid the big local park which I pay about £70 a year to access.

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CakesOnAPlane · 25/09/2023 19:03

I didn't realise that Parkrun provided sponsorship and merchandise opportunities. It makes sense of the 'I'm a Very Big Cheese' vibe of the now withdrawn post.

Alstroemeria123 · 25/09/2023 19:01

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 18:55

So anyone who needs to do anything on a Saturday morning should work around an optional leisure activity?

Yeah, basically, you know it’s on every week, it’s only for about an hour and perfectly avoidable. Like you wouldn’t go swimming at a public pool during the regular kids’ lesson times, for instance.

No, but I don’t need to go swimming.

If someone needs to get to work, should they have to get there an hour early because of people wanting to go jogging?

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 18:55

Alstroemeria123 · 25/09/2023 18:21

So anyone who needs to do anything on a Saturday morning should work around an optional leisure activity?

School run parents annoy me too, but at least they’re facilitating compulsory education.

So anyone who needs to do anything on a Saturday morning should work around an optional leisure activity?

Yeah, basically, you know it’s on every week, it’s only for about an hour and perfectly avoidable. Like you wouldn’t go swimming at a public pool during the regular kids’ lesson times, for instance.

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 18:53

DonnaBanana · 25/09/2023 18:30

Why does park run need any organising at all. Wasn’t the point that you go to the park at the same time as some other people and run? You can do that without any stewards

They provide first aid, safety check the course, manage the timing chips and ensure everyone participating is safe. It’s an official event not just a free for all or some kind of guerrilla running flash mob.

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 25/09/2023 18:49

I'm beginning to sound like parkrun PR

You're certainly doing a better job than their actual PR judging by the now withdrawn post!

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 18:47

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 25/09/2023 18:43

If it was purely people turning up to run together, without being 'organised' the costs wouldn't be there to cover.

I'm beginning to sound like parkrun PR which totally isn't the case but it's existence doesn't stop anyone else having a free running club nor is there any compulsion to go along

It's not like theres a shortage of runners or hours in the week or places to go

There must be 10s of 1000s of more informal running groups around the UK

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 25/09/2023 18:47

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/09/2023 18:43

What's this supposed to mean? Who's making money out of parkrun? It's a registered charity with a small staff at headquarters. Nobody pays to belong to it, so costs are covered by sponsorship. It's established branches in many other countries so you'd expect it to need some central staff. As for why it needs volunteers and marshals, this is precisely to make sure that both runners and other park users are kept safe and to time the event and process the results. The whole premise is that parkrun is a free 5k event where you get a time at the end if you want one. To get your time, you register on the website, but you don't need to enter any parkrun event - you just turn up and do it. It's an incredibly simple and efficient model which has persuaded millions of people around the world to get out and run or walk on a Saturday morning. Making it a timed event has a huge motivating effect on people who want to try to improve their time from week to week.

I'm not knocking it as a concept, just making the point that anything informal which becomes successful is usually formalised and monetised before long.

CakesOnAPlane · 25/09/2023 18:46

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 25/09/2023 18:38

Sponsorships and merchandise.

Gosh. How handy for people with Very Important Jobs then.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/09/2023 18:46

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 25/09/2023 18:43

If it was purely people turning up to run together, without being 'organised' the costs wouldn't be there to cover.

So you'd prefer a model where hundreds of people turned up to run at the same time with absolutely nobody doing any marshalling? Sounds a great plan, can't see what could possibly go wrong with that. Hmm

One of the reasons landowners like councils and the NT give permission for parkruns is that there will be volunteers making sure everything goes smoothly.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 25/09/2023 18:43

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 25/09/2023 18:35

Because someone saw an opportunity to monetise it!

What's this supposed to mean? Who's making money out of parkrun? It's a registered charity with a small staff at headquarters. Nobody pays to belong to it, so costs are covered by sponsorship. It's established branches in many other countries so you'd expect it to need some central staff. As for why it needs volunteers and marshals, this is precisely to make sure that both runners and other park users are kept safe and to time the event and process the results. The whole premise is that parkrun is a free 5k event where you get a time at the end if you want one. To get your time, you register on the website, but you don't need to enter any parkrun event - you just turn up and do it. It's an incredibly simple and efficient model which has persuaded millions of people around the world to get out and run or walk on a Saturday morning. Making it a timed event has a huge motivating effect on people who want to try to improve their time from week to week.

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 25/09/2023 18:43

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 18:40

Still totally free for the participants, not unreasonable for the organisation to raise money for its running costs (no pun intended)

If it was purely people turning up to run together, without being 'organised' the costs wouldn't be there to cover.

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 18:40

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 25/09/2023 18:38

Sponsorships and merchandise.

Still totally free for the participants, not unreasonable for the organisation to raise money for its running costs (no pun intended)

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 25/09/2023 18:38

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 18:37

How, it's completely free hence the issue here with volunteers

Sponsorships and merchandise.

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 18:37

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 25/09/2023 18:35

Because someone saw an opportunity to monetise it!

How, it's completely free hence the issue here with volunteers

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 18:36

DonnaBanana · 25/09/2023 18:30

Why does park run need any organising at all. Wasn’t the point that you go to the park at the same time as some other people and run? You can do that without any stewards

You can but that's not what parkrun is about, there's room for both types of running

OnAFrolicOfMyOwn · 25/09/2023 18:35

DonnaBanana · 25/09/2023 18:30

Why does park run need any organising at all. Wasn’t the point that you go to the park at the same time as some other people and run? You can do that without any stewards

Because someone saw an opportunity to monetise it!

DonnaBanana · 25/09/2023 18:30

Why does park run need any organising at all. Wasn’t the point that you go to the park at the same time as some other people and run? You can do that without any stewards

VisionsOfSplendour · 25/09/2023 18:25

Thementalloadisreal · 25/09/2023 18:17

Sorry but…Isn’t it kind of obvious that there will be lots of runners and people at a parkrun site at 8.30-9,30ish?? Surely you can just go there around that time. This is like trying to park outside a school at 8.45 and complaining about all the parents in the way 🤷🏻‍♀️

That analogy isn't uiye right, the runners weren't stopping the car, it would be like the teachers stopping pedestrians passing school entrance at home time and I'm pretty sure that wouldn't go down too well

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